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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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Catching up with the overnight, but it looks like I need to restate my point about Fort.

Townies don't need to use reverse psychology.
Townies don't need to resort to trickery.
Townies don't try to confuse other players.Townies don't play Jester.
 
Josh read Townie when he wasn't talking about impossible things. He actually pointed out where the logic in his previous statements fell flat on its face.

Fort took a slot that wasn't as scummy as he says it is and made it look as scummy as he says it is. He keeps players from considering his lynch by pishing it himself and I think that's exactly what he wants. Townies don't need to go to that length to avoid rope that they weren't going to get before then.
 
The statement on was never expanded upon, so I'm not sure about it. I think I'd have to take it in the context of "he said more about King and Haruno" to get a read similar to your premise and even that seems kinda like making tinfoil out of air.

Tbf, I suck at forming reads from scraps. The most I had on the slot was "points for trying" before Fort subbed in.
 
As I said before, it's possible, but the layer of wine Fort added could be a milder version of the OCNOC ugly. (You know what I'm referring to.) The pairing would need some in-depth review to determine which is more likely.

I'm still too hung up on the thought of scum enjoying bussing to consider ID. My vote might move today, but if it does it'll be moving to Asek/rssp. On top of the tells Asek made, rssp's minimized his scumhunting by relying on other players to provide info for him.
 
LightWolf Didn't realize you actually wanted me to respond to your read.

You're not saying anything new, you're not considering that I have already addressed these points repeatedly, and why are you using a general stance against ad hominem as a scumtell.

Congratulations, I'm slightly offended.
 
LightWolf Didn't realize you actually wanted me to respond to your read.

You're not saying anything new, you're not considering that I have already addressed these points repeatedly, and why are you using a general stance against ad hominem as a scumtell.

Congratulations, I'm slightly offended.
I'm sorry but if you wanna claim that I used a stance against ad hominem as a scumtell without providing any context you have another thing coming. I actually am unsure which of my points on you even was that, but you are very much presenting whatever it was in an unjust light and making it seem like I have no ground to stand on(which I don't think any of my points do, therefore my challenge). Please provide the line if you want to claim what I said there was unjustified. Also the fact you responded to that point means it is not one you have had to explain before clearly, therefore I cannot accept a blanket Ï already went over this" answer. If you have made those answers before, please pair post numbers of answers to my specific post call outs. If your answers truly exist this should be a cake walk, or you could just dodging my questions.
 
#522 is what I'm talking about, what I've been talking about. King didn't deserve to die just for getting provoked and y'all brought it on yourselves by creating the Kingmeme in the first place. Players have put him in a position where he's autoscum no matter what game he's in and that needs to stop because a catch-22 has been built.
 
Knights first off save it for post game

Second off you're wayyyy overplaying that, kings play was objectively scummy to a large degree, especially for an early stage of the game
 
Alright.

LW brings up a lots of things which have been asked and answered without bringing up the answers. It's like LightWolf doesn't know I'm already aware of how much I suck, and that's knowledge you can find out by reading the game.
 
did rssp1 give up
no i was asleep

young man moody is like the most active person today

tf is lightwolf

i get rssp1 subbed in and doesnt rly have the time to skim or read the first 120+ pages of the game but... we're getting nothing here.

i dont want to bother speculating about why asek subbed out but rssp1 may not want to get invested in defending himself with how many people are shifting around to an asek lynch, which could be either alignment.
I can't really defend myself because i dont have a copy of asek's mind so idr what his thoughts where when he was writing posts; the way i defend myself is by correcting misconceptions about what i've said and/or explaining the things ive said for the most part + pointing out faulty logic in the arguments that people have. It's harder to do that when I don't know the mindset behind the posts i'm supposed to be defending. There isn't really anything I can do about that so I didn't see the point in complaining about that.
 
Alright.

LW brings up a lots of things which have been asked and answered without bringing up the answers. It's like LightWolf doesn't know I'm already aware of how much I suck, and that's knowledge you can find out by reading the game.
All my points were made in real time(baring the period in which I was just writing down post numbers catching up on my phone) as I was reading through the game. The answers you gave to others doesn't matter, and you are just again deflecting trying to find answers for all my proposed problems with you because you likely realise I do have questions you probably didn't answer.

Also no I knew you were misrepresenting me. My qualms on #522 were that you show up near the end of the day just to pocket King without throwing your hat behind the vote, rather focusing on his defense. The fact Kings flips town there and your lack of trying to support any counterwagons in that post felt opportunistic to me. I don't thinks it's farfetched to consider that post trying to gain towncred, rather than "LightWolf supports ad hominems!" for considering you deep pocketed a town that got mislynched that day.
LW talk to me a bit about your thoughts on my slot, Yeti slot, and asek slot
I talked about Asek already, his post quality had clear cases of ups and downs, he was the most likely person I could like the effort from, the not see anything meaningful from for 500 posts. His defining moments to me are the defense of Hitmon's I shouldn't be visible moment and the early jalmont interaction. This in my eyes cancel each other out, and this puts him squarely behind my tops suspects. To tie into at both you and Yeti are in the same spot, the people I'd start seriously considering if my top suspects turn out to have been wrong. With you I have clear playstyle clashes, some bordering too scumsided mostly your comments on your own playstyle justifying why you aren't scum or the signalling, I get it's not indicative of alignment, but it's structured directly to help you if you are scum, because they are just motions to go through. Nor do I like your idea of a town bloc. So even with a favourable jalmont engagement for you too, I can't trust you. Yeti I have a hard time grasping, I like her plays, but then things get muddied by the Josh ruse and just like with KoC I didn't like her vote stuff, though at least it included her own thoughts in the package, still just as with koc's read list I feel it lacks the important details a vote and it's timing and context actually generate, which I find more important than say the wagonomics that she used to determine a connection between blazade and hawkie, though I'm unsure if she followed up on that checking actual posts. Also I did like her go through the game and dig up old quotes, mostly because it's a smaller scale version of what I did, even if Josh complained about it.
 
Okay deadline is today, I'm losing consciousness from the aforementioned 3 hours of sleep I got in. we have 8 hours. Guys if ID doesn't deliver on some godlike ISO, lets please not have him live another day. I must go, my bed needs me.
 
Close to 8 hours I think?

Pretty sure you're town now

If no one flips scum in ID/rssp/Moody it's probably the fort/yeti team

Also Moody is officially the lynch tomorrow after his hardcore dodging of my questions
 
Ask away, then.

But I do need to point out you're still barking up the wrong tree with using King as a tell. I don't get how people can continually prod King into shutting down and not realize that they need to try a different tactic. When I got the chance to, I engaged with him in discussion rather than pushing, and I got an open, realtime conversation that gave me a decent idea of where his mindset was in terms of his reads. People didn't even understand when I tried to paraphrase "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".

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