NOC THERE ARE VAMPS ITG (Game Over: Village Wins!)

[earl]

Oh yeah and Hawkie is town, no scum would tunnel on something so hard as it would pretty easily give you away

 

[UncleSam]

Ya Asek is pretty obviously the recruit lol he 100% knows that I am not a Vampire since he was recruited and knows I am not the original Vampire - be aware that if we mislynch we are in a really bad position if the Vampire Hunter doesn't hit a Vampire tonight. Imo Asek is fine with pushing my lynch since he knows he can take a Vampire Hunter shot and the original Vampire will be fine to convert someone else tonight safely.

From my reads I think Asek thinks acid is the original Alpha but he is hedging a bit - he is clearly trying to shift all of the discussion onto me, him, and champ1604.

Finally, the forced 'null' read from acid onto Asek looks pretty damning to me - he is trying to put distance between himself and Asek it looks like to me.

I want to see acid lynched today and a Vampire Hunter shot onto Asek, I think that those are pretty clearly the best targets rn.

Also I wanna ask the Witch Doctor for protection again. Not because it'll materialize or that it even should but to muddy the waters and make me a less appealing conversion target xD

There are a lot of idlers rn but zorbees and Earlio are clean imo, Thunderballz / Hawkie isn't/aren't the original Vampire but could be the recruit, Walrein could be either in theory reading back through the thread though I think he has a low chance of original. shrewz isn't original and I kinda doubt he would get recruited but slight chance of the latter.

Everyone else is idling or has made zero impression on me, which is bad.

 

[acidphoenix]

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Finally, the forced 'null' read from acid onto Asek looks pretty damning to me - he is trying to put distance between himself and Asek it looks like to me.

what

obviously i have comments on the rest of the post but i'm playing PS! mafia rn

but i'm pretty sure i pretty clearly put asek in my "probably recruits" section so what are you talking about

 

[acidphoenix]

oh i didn't post this

Earlio why do your reads make no distinction between initial / recruit

 

[Hawkie]

RUNNING ISO V1

ISO

Earlio

D1

I'd rather not bandwagon

i still think this is weird as the second post of the game

I understand none of those acronyms but I'm flattered anyhow

Wait nvm tr is townread. So I know 50% of those acronyms!

these posts feel like fake stupidity to me and i think he was trying to play cute puppy dog noob to the more experienced player (Asek)

Hey I'm riding the high horse of not being the newest kid here, unlike in guzmafia

makes this post but was acting that way towards Asek like a post ago???

*sweats profusely*

Look this is my first NOC game and I'm kinda just trying to go along with what others are saying. Originally I was under the impression that a random lynch was a bad idea but looking at other's reasons for doing so changed that. No need to quote me out of context.

Stressing me out man

still gives me vibes of Hitmonleet cracking under pressure from Matrix i mean what 3-4 people had TR'd him so far i'm the only one putting pressure on him and he reacts like this? I mean i can see it coming from straight up NEW TO MAFIA but not anyone with a game or two's experience

I'm not scum

as much as he reminded me of Hitmonleet i think a lone vampire cracking under the pressure posts more than this. I think this indicates he was annoyed at being suspected for what he "couldn't see he'd done wrong"

I'm not seeing any consensus on who to lynch, but if it helps I'm not backup

this is incredibly scummy

I feel like Zorbees is acting pretty scummy but I don't think any actual scum would be so aggressive, so I'm thinking that he's town. Otherwise I'm not getting much of a read on anyone else except for Sam possibly being vamp/backup trying to throw off suspicion in the most convuleted way possible

this can be condensed down to "i don't know whether zorbees is town or scum" and the reason for not scumreading him is also pretty bad and bandwagons on suspecting sam as other people start to

Ok, there's coincidences. I checked when you posted about me.

But anyhow you're just gonna say I was sitting in front of the screen laughing maniacally as vampires do because only scum would do that.

You're seriously over-analyzing what I'm doing here. I don't think before I post (we'll now I am thinking seeing as anything I say will be aggressively scrutinized by you)

this is where he started to get annoyed rather than flustering under the pressure from me and i started to reconsider my SR on him

Currently I don't really feel too strong towards any one particular person being scum, everyone seems to be fighting their own little wars against each other. Currently though I'd have to say Vote Blue_Tornado
Not scum btw

a /decent/ analysis of the situation but lynching with no reason pings me

Ok firstly what is a "bw avec" and what, in your definition, is not a bullshit excuse? I'll just claim vanilla townie now (because I am one) and still be called scum for having consistency issues and be called useless as this is my first NOC game and I'm trying to learn the ropes. I'm trying to find a way to not sound like scum and I can't which sucks, because I'd like to at least see town win (or vamp through Sam's weird plan) for a few days. Anything I say at this point will be wrapped into an older post you'll dig up and say it's a contradiction, which it probably will be, because I've never played one of these before so I don't know what the best strategy is. I'm choking here but honestly I can't think of any other way to not get further attacked.

again i get the feeling of annoyed town rather than flustered scum

Asek

D1

VOTE BLUE_TORNADO

set my new avatar

time to kick ass

text the mawile ace

this is the scummiest slot so far.

zorbees + walrein town

fellas

I want to tr earlio for sheeping me for no reason on an rvs thats just the cutest thing

champ is probably town too

this is asek's d1 opening and i think it's scummy that he doesn't address the townstrat discussion between zorbees and BT and just goes after an easy target in TMA and i still stand by the fact that early tr'ing earlio is scummy because i think his early posts give off a really scummy vibe

zorbees i basically alternate between being too leniant on new players and having them fuck me over because theyre scum and i ignored the signs as just noob village or throttling them too hard and just causing mislynches by overloading them

im trynna hit a balance in that regard but its hard

i think this post is potentially scummy because it gives asek an excuse to refer back to everytime he lynches off a "noob" town but it was zorbees that brought it up initially

overwatch isnt even fun unless ur like 10 years old

video gmes are gay

filler

lynching the back up has been something ive thought about but it requires a) the backup to be willing to come forward this early and b) the backup to trust town to win from that pooint on

if it's something he's spent time thinking about i don't see why town!asek hasn't posted about it himself instead of waiting for it to be brought up since i think he tries to give town as much setup information/analysis ASAP as town

regardless whoever we lynch today and in the future should be considered as 1 less potential vampire so lynching is always correct from a town position

i like this post

lol i just found out you can change colours for text on smogon

this is my new colour for all posts fellas

i dislike moodys posts rn = (

this pinged me as filler when i first seen it tbh

it is important to note that this d1 is extremely huge for town. today there is only 1 scum polluting opinions and the rest of us have the same win condition. if everybody here thinks for themselves and comes to their own conclusions about the other players, the one who ISNT emulating the same thoughts as the others and sticks out as an odd one is highly likely to be scum. we hold a lot of power today and I think this is extremely powerful. If we lynch a vamp today it may be a 'back at square 1' deal but still I think we go for gold and each come to who we think is the vampire. the odds are in our favour


same

ahh. here it is, Aseks Words of Wisom. This made me feel better about him NOT being the vampire but i think he's much more likely to be recruited after the starts of an attempt of townleading and i'm getting this weird feeling that town!Asek would actually lay relatively low the first few days to actually avoid being converted

i dont think zorbees is scum and you arent exactly pushing a compelling case here sam

townpoints++

anyone want to talk about earlio

my town bloc is depressingly small considering theres only 1 scum rip

i think these posts could be asek trying to bring the focus to earlio to cause a mislynch like he talked about earlier with zorbees but then again i think my case on earlio wasn't so bad so i can see why he wanted to explore it further

Walrein

D1

hi folks

expect low activity from me until after walrus reveal tonight

nothing on this page thus far strikes me as particularly AI

i think we should lynch; i don't think we should make VH plans public

vote sandshrewz because it's been years since i've been able to say that

if anything i'd give a reeeeeeeeeeeally weak tonal townread to champ and earlio but that's literally nothing

i dislike immediate excuses for future inactivity but i think his views on lynching/VH plans is more indicative of town the shrewz vote is RVS i think champs opening post was good too but the opposite on Earlio and it's pinging me that people read him as town early i can't see why if the read doesn't change or at least get re-evaluated later i think this is scummy

yes

speaking in binary is 100% a scumtell though

6c6f72656d20697073756d

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sandz lock town

really don't see why he "locks town" sandz after sandz has already displayed a "joker" approach so far pinged pinged pinged

the vampires barely know each other so associative reads are going to be really hard itg

and anyways it's fine to establish townreads as long as you reset them everyday to account for conversions

differences in behavior are going to be one of the easiest/only ways to catch said converts

i like this post

nah i can respect blowing this off to play overwatch

filler

asek i'm actually going to policy lynch you if you do that

i dont think this post comes from a neckbiter

gut reaction is that mawile ace is trying too hard. we'll see if this trend holds

i can kinda see where sam's zorbees read is coming from, i suppose. he's reading as genuine from a tonal standpoint but that isn't the end-all be-all (and i know you in particular despise tonal reads, sam)

i think everyone except the vampire and potentially the backup himself will probably agree that the optimal d1 play is to lynch the backup; however, this pretty much relies on the backup agreeing to suicide. it's going to be nigh impossible to weed them out with reads on d1

i'll go ahead and hardclaim not-the-backup to make this read at least a little easier

tiered readslist (may not be ordered within tiers):

hawkie
blue_tornado

unclesam
asek
thunder-ballz

sandshrewz
zorbees

the mawile ace
earlio

moodycloud

excluding champ and acidphoenix because the latter hasn't posted at all (i think?) and the former only once

who's my vote on? i'd like for it to be on moody

unvote
vote moodycloud

a question for the peanut gallery: does anyone have any objections to the lynch-the-backup plan? obviously it's not super fun for the backup himself, but i'm talking objections other than that one

i'd also like the peanut gallery's thoughts on mawile ace, especially from those who have played with him before (i assume he's a PS guy?)

goodnight

i dont see how you can think TMA was trying too hard when iirc they had barely done anything at this point and the reasoning for going on moody was that he was a lurker but he acknowledges 2 other lurkers but doesn't give a specific reason for going after moody and then immediately brings back the topic of lynching the backup which pings me pretty hard consindering town's no1 priority would've been lynch vampire since the backup becomes a fledgling or whatever the backup is just a "sure" lynch which isn't the vampire which is good for vampire!Walrein

Thunderball-Z

D1

1. I play mafia on Pokemon Showdown (Hawkie directed me here)
2. UncleSam is town enough, I usually don't like big town posts like that but he did point out obvious ways we could win, not something scum usually does
3. Players that stick out to me?... anyone who is scummy :^)
4. I don't list scumreads, mainly for the reasoning that A) If i die people might look back at my scum reads and they're wrong or B) My reads are always changing, and I don't want to update my reads every 2 minutes. There's also the fact that listing reads is irrelevant when you can just be pushing them tbh.

still think he's town

Mainly because he hasn't said anything, and as you'll soon come to learn, I don't like people in the game that I can't read.

this is ballsy and i don't think TBZ makes posts like these as sole scum in his first NOC

What I'm saying is that there are certain people who have only posted once or twice, and haven't contributed much. I'm just wondering why you're singling me out in particular? And to be fair, I honestly doubt that one of the quieter ones is the vampire, but that doesn't excuse inactivity.

To me it seems like most people are just trying to get game clarification instead of actually actively hunting for the vampire (stating that backup should claim, stating how we as townies should go about the game, etc).

i like these posts too

I don't know what to say to you all about why you think I'm scummy, but how can you all just sit by and allow lurkers to just get away? They seriously take the fun away from the game and even though I did state that I doubt lurkers are the vampire, we should still get rid of them because they are not helping towns wincon.

That being said, Blue_Tornado's push on me is baseless. Yes, I am defending myself, as any good town should do in that situation. There is a difference between helping town by not getting yourself lynched, and doing nothing but explaining why you aren't scum.

Vote Blue_Tornado

And yes, it may seem hypocritical to complain about lurkers and then lynch a non lurker in the same post, but baseless lynches combined with filler and false accusations scream scum.

still too ballsy to be scum

UncleSam

D1

Ok so since I don't believe in randvoting (and yes NOC posting is just random voting based on meaningless 'behavioral' bullshit) let's see if we can actually ascertain the proper way to play this game based on something a bit more substantial

The first and most important thing to frame any discussion of this game is this: all players except for the Vampire Hunter can be recruited. What this means is that, at the outset, only the Vampire Hunter and the Vampire can truly not win together. Anyone else can win with anyone else in theory. I would encourage people not to consider themselves as proper villagers this game but as a group that moves and acts most efficiently when it is moving together. All vanillas (+ the Witch Doctor and Backup) can shift their win conditions as a bloc if we choose to do so, and therefore it is imperative that this bloc move together to ensure that as many of us win as possible.

Ok, now that we have that framing out of the way, let's consider possible ways for us to win:
1. We lynch the Witch Doctor or Vampire, and then lynch the Vampire Hunter.
Explanation: In this scenario, we ensure that the Backup either immediately becomes a Vampire OR becomes a convertible role, and we then lynch the Vampire Hunter, thus ensuring that everyone left in the game can win together along with the Vampire.
2. We lynch the Witch Doctor or Vampire, then lynch the Vampire(s) OR the Vampire Hunter successfully slays the Vampire.
Explanation: Same scenario as above, though it is worth noting that if the Vampire successfully converts someone on N1 then that person will lose. This is how the game is 'supposed' to be played in my opinion, but may or may not be the best way for vanillas to proceed.
3. We uselessly go on our own ways and some of us end up winning with whichever side we end up on, and some of us end up losing.
Explanation: For sheep.

Seriously though, people should be keeping their minds open to possible routes of victory. The Vampire Hunter and Vampire are the real enemies to us as of now, since they represent the entire reason for us not being able to already pack things up and call it a day with an easy win.

Now then, I do think there is one thing we should do as a group that 100% benefits us: The Witch Doctor or Backup should claim as a D1 sacrifice to be lynched in exchange for us promising to help the Vampire Hunter over the Vampire.

Think through this carefully: let's say that we lynched the Vampire today, the 'ideal' outcome, right? Well, in this case, the Backup ends up becoming a Vampire, and we are in precisely the same situation as if we had lynched the Backup or Witch Doctor in the first place.

Of course the issue is that the one who is the sacrifice will die as town as become unconvertible, so I promise that as a vanilla I will do everything in my power to help the Vampire Hunter should one of those two roles step up. The odds of a town victory if we remove the 'insurance' policy of the Vampire in the backup are fairly high.

One additional argument for why the Backup in particular should step up to be lynched: let's say that you end up becoming the Vampire yourself because the Vampire Hunter or the town killed the original Alpha Vampire. In this case you will become a fledling Vampire and your original alpha will be eliminated, meaning that you will be pretty much up shit creek without a paddle. If you get yourself lynched initially, however, you not only boost town chances at winning but also ensure that you will win with the town no matter what else happens. In other words, you eliminate the possibility of becoming a Vampire in the future in a disadvantageous situation, guarantee yourself alliance with the town, AND boost town chances by guaranteeing that the Vampire Hunter only needs to deal with the Vampires and no one else.

One other thing:
- The Vampire Hunter does not act as a Cop on nights where the Vampire can convert. The Vampire Hunter outspeeds the Vampire conversion, meaning that if both the Vampire Hunter and the Vampire target the same individual that individual will become a Vampire at the end of the night regardless. The Vampire Hunter does act as a Cop on nights where the Vampire cannot convert, however.

Ok so tl;dr:
- Backup in particular but maybe the Witch Doctor instead should step up and claim so that we can lynch you D1 and remove the Vampire's insurance policy
- Vanillas should keep an open mind about who to win with until someone steps up and locks in. Once they do, town is definitely in a better spot to win. If no one does, imo vanillas should treat both the Vampire Hunter and Vampire as mortal enemies since they are the ones holding us hostage in this game without being able to win.

In terms of behavior ya you can look for changes in behavior but honestly I don't buy much into behavioral bullshit, I wanna see people's opinions on strategy. I'll draw my conclusions of cleanliness from the level of analysis provided into strategic goals for vanillas, not soul reads or w.e the flip.

i've already gave my thoughts on this but i think it's town but i ALSO think sam is literally calling out for the vampire to recruit him here so i don't think sam lives long if town wants to keep their sanity

The purpose of a game is to win ??

I wanna lynch zorbees tbh I think he is the vampire legit

i think wanting to lynch the first person to oppose his strategy just reinforces my thinking that sam either wants to BE a vampire or IS the vampire LOL

Lol I called that out

Jesus the players itg are not thinking through things properly at all

We should lynch between people who oppose the best strategic policies for non-philosophical reasons which are out of character and simultaneously bullshit

Aka between zorbees and moody

more pro-vampire propaganda

Where does it say vampire wins at majority? Texas can you answer this but obviously any strategy involving a vampire win is assuming that the vampire could convert everyone except the vampire hunter

I already said that if the backup claims to be lynched I would personally guarantee (and others have stated they want this as well) I would play solely to win with the vampire hunter. I ran down why this is so good for the backup in my big post so go read that again since apparently most people didn't.

Anyway Texas if you could confirm whether the Vampire wins at majority or not that is very important for strategizing - I thought it was clear from the rules there's no such thing as 'majority' since the vampires are not even united but I guess others are confused on this. Host ruling would be good here.

i don't see why he's making promises of being aligned with the vampire hunter permanently if the backup claims because if he gets converted N1 he has to play toward a vampire win like what the fuck? for someone so analytical it must occur to him that any promise he makes is invalidated by a conversion

Obviously I'd ask for witch doctor but the more obvious aspect is to not try to lynch the vampire hunter while still a vanilla, I'd have thought that distinction was clear

pro vampire OR WHAT

sandshrewz

D1

Please no kill me while I go and farm mah Overwatch double EXP weekend.

Also hello everyone !!!!!!!

another weird opening post i don't see why you immediately ask not to be lynched in the same post as saying "hello everyone"

Oh yea. Typical sandz here in NOC. Do we lynch D1 or no ??? Does this game make a randlynch even better or worse??

The way I see it, a randlynch has a 3/13 chance of hurting town and 1/13 chance of being a benefit (instawin?). So sandz supports no lynch yet again ???

?_?

this is another post i initially found scummy because it analyses no lynching just from a basis of whether town is more likely to get lynched which is the case in 99% of mafia themes D1 and the D1 lynch is good for getting reads on other players but apparently he's known for advocating NL

WALREIN PLS. Did you really join dis game just to vote me d1 u_u ahahahaha

Also what's AI.

Inb4 we get a n1 M.A.D.

That would be pretty hilarious though.

tonally i think the "hahahahah" laughy jokey vibe he's trying to give off here it feels forced

I am on ze phones right now. Paydaying and OWing xD

I still read here though. Also wanted to say I don't think game ends when vamp have majority cos they could end up not recognizing it and not converting the right people. So there would still be hope for village for as long as that happens.

I don't want to go overreading on the first day since it's been forever since my last game and the chances of getting anything good is way less than other games too.

I'm still in favor of no Lynch d1 barring we get anything we feel confident on. Leaning towards not lynching power roles, for now anyway.

more filler

I think we might have a lot of tie votes here? Not too sure. Anyway, I'm gonna go with vote moody. Pretty much because I feel like Walrein's out of game in general read of moody to probably being a safer bet than the current pressure reads we have.

Up for changes if anything crops up.

this is literally just bandwagon

acidphoenix

D1

lynch zorbees

oh my gosh you suck

this wouldn't be bad if it wasn't one of his only posts of the day after all at the time there wasn't much content so i think it could be just d1 shenanigans but coupled with his low activity the whole day it gives me vibes of a vamp looking for everything and anything to post

those 40 minutes were the past 40 minutes but I have like five minutes on phone so

unclesams post: in concept I agree although if vamps win at majority then it is always unsound logic for any given townie to aim for a vamp win(I think? didn't go into it much more than "less than half of people who are current town are gonna win then")

again not going into it much because not much time but lynching a pr(it doesn't matter which) is beneficial for everyone with POSSIBLY the exception of the pr lynch(losing vamp potential)

I read the thread somrehat

I lied Unvote lynch earlio

still subject to change but honestly earlio is the only scumlean that feels legitimate (reasons zorbees / hawkie have said mostly, also constantly putting up his... I dunno a word but things like "can't be top poster" "don't wanna bandwagon")

going back to bigpost if vamps CAN win via maj then it's what 1v10 plus a viggish BUT only realistically works if vamp calls for their own sacrifice(doctor / backup / hunter all technically work but ensure their own demise if we follow that plan)

I'm getting out of the car in fifteen seconds so there you go

apparently I lost part of this post by using an autosaved draft oops

here's what I had as of autosave no time to properly fix

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those 40 minutes were the past 40 minutes but I have like five minutes on phone so

unclesams post: in concept I agree although if vamps win at majority then it is always unsound logic for any given townie to aim for a vamp win(I think? didn't go into it much more than "less than half of people who are current town are gonna win then")

again not going into it much because not much time but if first guess is right. ynchin a pr(it doesn't matter which) is beneficial for everyone with POSSIBLY the exception of the pr lynch(losing vamp potential; again I haven't actually done math just glances)

I read the thread somewhat but not with a sufficiently critical eye so I'll just get in reads in if I can

unclesam I think he makes that post 80% if town 100% if vamp but with the thing zorbees said I'm going to put it as nri

looking through later responses again Unvote vote unclesam for now, definitely not for the bigpost but later responses, very subject to change

zorbees I dunno honestly

asek nonpr probably

in retrospect this is more than five minutes

reading through this i feel like it's half setup spec & filler and half bandwagoning onto an easy lynch push in earlio without any real reasoning of his own

Champ1604

D1

And one other comment, if we end up having no one getting lynched on D1 and we really need someone to be lynched, feel free to lynch me instead of a randlynch. I have no interest in getting a power role getting lynched. And those of whom who have played quickmatches with me, my player meta is different on smogon.

i think this post is scummy because it immediately asks for people to know them not to read them as they usually do because he's generally quite easy to read as scum

This reaction seems worse than my avy, suspicious

You already know, so stop quoting me as a he.

Let's go for 3. For sheep. Because honestly, going with a sacrifice of a PR just d1, not sure about that. But all the way, I'm still new to this world, so feel free to do stuff.

And a small statement from my side, I'm a free sacrifice available.
And secondly, nope, I don't find any good lynch yet. But if still going by ALL suspicions and posts, I would incline, though not lynch on ThunderBallz.

Firstly, too defensive. So either a PR or scum or probably I have no idea what this theme can be and I'm more dumber than Trump.
Secondly, too eager to lynch someone, but at the same time, it applies to one other person I feel are town.

town champ he always makes wacky plays and sacrificial offerings like this lmao

zorbees

D1

Lynch Acidphoenix

plain old rvs

i think no lynch is a possible strategy because on d1 we cant get any scumbuddy links because there is only 1 scum, but i'm not positive, because even on d2 the scum-scum link only goes in 1 direction since the recruit doesnt know who recruited him. I think this game will be tricky because of that fact. It might just be best to do a typical noc d1 and try to find out what we think about everyone's relationships with each other and use those to find the possible scum later on

when it comes to other people advocating for no lynch d1 i've seen it as scummy but it's because in the case of TMA they were just advocating no kill then disappeared then shrewz was looking at it purely from a numbers POV but zorbees gives a good analysis of what town would and should think after being presented with that question and i think at this point it makes him town

rvs is random voting stage, basically where people vote randomly to try to get discussion going

anyways i read earlio as town, thats the only real read i have atm. i kind of like asek's posts just now but I kind of feel like he is falling into the trap of not being able to distinguish noobtown from scum. I haven't seen anything out of Champ or MawileAce to make any judgments on them being town or not, and he already likes Champ and doesn't like MawileAce (although I guess that could just be RVS)

i dislike the lack of reasoning for the Earlio townread

I don't feel like UncleSam's plan is in the spirit of the game, which in my opinion, should be that all players act towards their current win condition. Otherwise this game becomes fairly pointless and uninteresting.

That being said, I don't think any of it is alignment indicative.

In regards to Earlio, I initially read him as noob town, but that last post has me easing off of that read. I feel like the *sweats profusely* is a joke that is more likely to be made by a scum who knows that being lynched is a disaster rather than a town who knows that being lynched isn't the end of the world. Additionally, he pretty much admits he is just going along with what other people are saying, although I think having the audacity to admit it is somewhat towny. I think he'd be a decent lynch but its still so early, we can find a better one, be it more evidence on Earlio or by putting pressure on someone else

I'm liking Hawkie's posts on Earlio but I'd wish he didn't tunnelvision it so much.

i think not wanting to follow sam's strategy is either indicative of A) the backup wanting to play a game OR B) town wanting to play an actual game of Mafia rather than Metagame

also if you really want to bring that up as being out of character, consider the fact that i joined a noc in the first place, when i havent done a noc in a long while. consider the fact that i can read your posts in the game approval subforum where you lay out your strategy for the game before the game has even started. why would i join this game if we were just going to collude to have everyone win and nobody have fun

this post is plain weird imo

And looking at how the game might play out, I think keeping the Vampire Hunter hidden is paramount. I think a mutual death, unless it happens incredibly early, is more beneficial to the Vampires than to the village. This is why it is important to not claim your role unless absolutely forced, it narrows things down for the Vampires.

Anyways

unvote
Vote Thunder~BALLZ

post more of your thoughts

i think keeping the hunter hidden is pretty much a given and a full paragraph explaining it pings me as filler and trying to look town

i dont think champ is the type of player who would, as scum, offer himself as a sacrifice knowing that nobody would take him up on that offer, i think he is just noobtown that doesn't rly know what to do

i think this is a good analysis of champ

would someone who thinks moody is scummy do an iso on him and explain why, i don't really remember a lot of his posts and i dont feel like going through the whole thread

posts by member?? this pings me as a sneaky way of bringing more attention to moody

I mean, ideally we would just lynch via normal scumhunting, and if a power role has to claim to stop a lynch on them, so be it. I mean as much as lynching a power role would get rid of the possibility that the backup would become a vampire, it also provides insurance against a bad lynch, it isn't the worst of things to lynch a power role due to the existence of the backup.

That being said, when you say "the risk of lynching a power role", the only way we avoid that is by not lynching at all, which in my opinion is incredibly foolish because we wouldn't be able to gain any information over how the lynch happens.

I'm keeping my vote on Blue_Tornado for now, I really feel like Earlio is just noobtown that doesn't know what he is doing.

more protown analysis this was basically my thinking for not lynching overall i think zorbees analysis on the game up to this point is majorly town

The Mawile Ace

D1

Killing is bad so we shouldnt do it

this is another bad post their opening post implies no intent of gamesolving just trying to make a d1 lynch not happen and they disappeared for a while after this

1. Maf room/real life counterparts(yea I'm more than a computer program)

2. I also agree with Walrein I didn't want to break the game down atleast not this early in the game. I'm usually the type of player that stays quiet collecting info here and there, making snarky comments at other people's deaths and say my 2 cents when something big hits me.

But I'll do what I have to do.

Asek seems like a town member to me. His desire to have everyone put in there makes me believe that he's trying to get more info so that he knows who to trust and who not to trust and I can respect that.

Walrein seems like someone who plays with a similar playstyle as me and nothing he says is sticking out.

Hawkie seems innocent for now .

I find it weird that zorbees is changing out his playstyle but I'm not gonna point fingers at him yet.

Unclesam seems likes he's stalling so that vampires can get more conversions or just a player who hates rand lynches. (Which is understandable) But you gotta do what you gotta do somethings. Overall hes on my list but I'm gonna wait.

Moodycloud kinda put himsef in a bad decision by deciding he wanted to not break the game and try to play against the odds. Like he can believe that but it kinda seems like hes a vampire who couldn't think of what to say. Idk how experienced he is in mafia but an experienced evil role would know not to attract too much attention to himsef by doing that. So he's either a vamp trying to bluff an inexperienced townie or he just honestly believes that.

3. Lynch Thunder_ballz (he's a all cap users clearly he must be lynched)

4.) Asek, walrein, zorbees, hawkie, unclesam and moodycloud

P.S sorry for the late response, we had a freak power outage last night and so I crashed pretty early.

this post feels forced AF and i dislike the fact they immediately TR both Walrein & Asek which is probably out of fear and sticks an "innocent" read on me without any reasoning whatsoever and then bandwagons on people saying moody opposing sam's strategy was scummy when it wasn't and then the actual LYNCH LOL no reasoning whatsoever and we came out of RVS ages ago

i mean its d1 you cant really have a basis when nothing has really happened yet

I can't find the post so I either misread something which is totally possible since I just woke up when I read the posts or just dreamed about it which also is possible

>says they can't have a basis for a read because it's d1 yet had a basis for bullshit asek/walrein bread and butter tr's and none for me

MoodyCloud

D1

My hopes of winning this are rather low but I'll try anyway
Townreads are nice but in this setup they don't seem that useful
vote Asek

And by winning this I mean doing so as town

i initially thought this was the post of an unmotivated backup but that went South i don't think a lone vampire makes that first post that's a bit TOO obvious for me

walrein,hawkie,asek probably town, sam might be town but I dislike the call for power roles to claim and his stance on giving vampires the win so they give people a "win", zorbees I have no idea rn but he did call out something BT had said about using vampire hunter as cop and that's protown

as i said before opposing sams strategy is either backup or town so i think moody's town from this

oops unvote
It has occurred to me that while everyone's odds of winning as town are arguably low, the most obvious play from vampire would be to pick veterans over newer players specially if they are under pressure like Earlio has seemed to be, so yeah guys we're basically last pick draft material and townies in the same position as you are a lot more likely to remain your allies than say Unclesam who has implied that he was planning around the vamp wincon unless a pr claims today, which didn't happen. Idk about blue tornado i'd probably sheep it without a better target but I'd lynch a townie who's already preparing to jump ship over the mawile ace who looks like aforementioned last pick material.
Vote Unclesam

he starts to look better and better from here but the dis encouraged attitude does still ping me of lone vamp

If you think Unclesam will be unreadable and recruited, lynching him to not have to deal with it later makes sense to me

this is good

only done d1 atm but this took forever so i'll do more later and update this daily because i think day by day seperation of my read on people will help me better find converted vamps especially if it's all there while i'm updating the post

Vamp POOL: sandshrewz The Mawile Ace Asek acidphoenix

sandshrewz and TMA both had a bad d1 i think they mostly fillered and bandwagoned on any lynch that wasn't them asek didn't join the setup spec convo at the start which i think was weird and making an excuse for further noobtown mislynches really pinged me because that means as vamp he could spend the nights granted by that strategy to recruit the other /good/ players acidphoenix's activity was bare and forced and he bandwagoned on a read from other people and it took him a full day to come up with any reasoning of his own for it which he could've obv prepared at night

RECRUIT POOL: Asek UncleSam Walrein
i haven't read/analysed much of d2 yet due to doing this but if Asek ISNT the vamp i think he's a very viable recruit target and his no appearance until coming into defend against acidphoenix (which would be a mislynch) is very scummy if acid flips town US was basically begging to be recruited the full day yesterday so i think we should lynch him at some point or he'll be serious migraines later and Walrein is just there because i think he's a good recruit target i need to go over this day more first before giving a decent list of people i think could've been recruited

 

[earl]

oh i didn't post this

Earlio why do your reads make no distinction between initial / recruit

I'm mostly basing off of D1, I haven't really noticed any big tone shifts so I'll come up with my recruit reads later on

 

[sandshrewz]

I must admit that I'm really not good with early reads, and given this setup of every day basically being d1 again, it's really not good for me haha.

Don't be surprised if I hardly make any read related post even in further cycles unless I find anything really compelling. Other NOCs I've played so far pretty much have me barely reading until mid-late. Sorry for being a bad villager :<

I've always played NOC like this, and this won't be an exception. If anything, I'd find any wagons on me to just be more suspicious than not. People who have played NOC with me would know so yea.

I am a convenient convert target for sure tho lol. And Hawkie, if I were you I'd put myself in convert pool than original pool.

But then again, saying that would only make myself more suspicious to you so er... But I'm saying my thoughts for reals lol. And can I call out Hawkie for the hilarious ISO on me? To be fair, I don't think I've played with Hawkie so it's no surprise that everything I do poses off badly. That pretty much happens in every game I've played so far >_> I just always play this way and sound this way. Bear with me haha.

Also fwiw, my timezone is Asian so I'm typically on at worse times though I have really off synch sleep cycle rn (3am now..). I tend to only just read more rather than post. I don't do pressure lynches or just pressuring people in general.

Have I explained myself enough? *shrug*

re the US stuff, yea if nobody feels the same then I'll just pass it off. Not something I feel too strongly about anyway. I am though, interested if our role dudes have been or will be following what US has been publicly calling. I see some validity in following the target calling, or maybe repeatedly targeting a value target with the same action. That may have better chances of hitting something than randing it, imo.

 

[zorbees]

I'm not sure what to think about that "Asek's words of wisdom" post, I kind of feel like the logic is completely wrong. I mean he says that everyone that is town should be coming up with the same judgments of people, and that the one that sticks out should be scum, which just seems ludicrous to me. Townies coming to their own opinions will probably not all arrive at the same point, and the scum will probably try to parrot other people as an attempt to blend in because what scum wants to stick out lmao. Even if he really does feel that way as town, the post seems like filler to me.

I also don't really know why you like that walrein post when it was mainly filler, i feel like everyone that is in the game should know to somewhat reset their reads every day because of conversions. I say somewhat reset because finding the earlier vampires is the best way to get the connections to the other vampires going. I honestly find walrein's day 1 really awful and I think he is a candidate for original vampire. However, I also think the people that townread walrein could be the original vampire, since walrein didn't really do anything to earn a townread imo. I'm probably going to follow up this post by going through the thread and seeing who townread walrein, I think its more likely that if the vampire townread him, he probably bandwagoned that read off of other townies.

 

[zorbees]

After re-reading (re-skimming really) the thread, a lot of Asek's posts seem to be asking other players their opinions on things rather than him actively trying to solve the game, I feel like its acceptable to do occasionally as town but Asek does it quite a few times which raises some questions in my mind.

 

[zorbees]

Also I'm about to go out for several hours with no computer access but I'll address anything that strikes me when I get back since I should be available tonight before I go to sleep.

 

[zorbees]

Asek is the first to bring up Walrein as town, Moody is one of the people that parrots it, asek also says he dislikes moody early on but then later says his list of 3 is B_T, US, and TMA, something seems off about this, might be vampire asek

 

[sandshrewz]

^ I like zorbees's first post. People stick out, just because they do. Sticking out itself is not indicative of alignment. Besides, the villagers are going to be the one to 'stick out' if / when the vamps are in the majority right??? I think that's some really flawed logic. IMO, I do think as well that people who try too hard to blend in are the more suspicious ones. Just be natural, say what you want to say. Don't be compelled to post otherwise regardless of your alignment. I guess anyone can take this as an advice here cos no one will know if their alignment just flips overnight.

I stick out like a sore thumb and I'm not going to try to play conventionally or do what people tend to do, cos that's not me, and doing that will only make me look even more dubious lol.

I do want village to early win rather than wait for a convert and hope to win with vamps. But, if anyone tries too hard to fit in and stuff, it's only going to be more obvious for those who get converted.

I guess I'm only making it easier for the vamps to choose their convert targets huh... basically the more tone stable players are more at risk of converting, imo.

Personally I think what vamps should do is get the high value converts first, then go for rand converts afterwards as the best chance of winning for vamps. We could similarly go on that approach, but whichever the case, the original vamp is an illogical randed role and all we can depend on are p much d1 reads imo, and d2 to some extend.

I don't know about the rest, but I'm more in favor of winning as village than as vamp. I think vamps have a higher chance of winning, but winning as village is simply more fun/challenging.

 

[Thunder~BALLZ]

Apologies for d2 inactivity, my phone has been taken away which is my main source of internet access. :/

Hard town read on UncleSam atm because all the things he has said either scream town or suggest that he is actively helping town. Null on zorbees and sandshrewz, they have been active but I'm not really sure how I feel about what they've actually said.

Pretty much never gonna scum read Hawkie because ilu bb <3

Acidphoenix has been townie enough at least that's what I've gotten out of her posts especially "why do your posts make no distinction between initial and recruits" thing. Unvote acidphoenix

 

[UncleSam]

Not sure I like how pressure is just sort of dissipating for no reason off of acid, I'm keeping my vote until acid provides a solid list of people he would be ok with lynching today at the very least.

That being said an Asek lynch is looking better and better to me

 

[Asek]

yep asek is the vampire recruit with 100% knowing who the original vampire was in acidphoenix. thats definitely whats going on here

 

[Asek]

stop speccing on recuirts off of who you think would likely to be recruited its literally all wifom

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

Day 2 Vote Count 1

Acidphoenix (2): UncleSam, TheMawileAce
The Mawile Ace (2): Walrein, Earlio
UncleSam (1): Asek
Asek (1): Hawkie
Earlio (1): acidphoenix

Not Voting: Thunder~Ballz, MoodyCloud, Sandshrewz, Champ1604, zorbees

With 12 remaining it takes 7 to lynch

MoodyCloud is at risk of being subbed out for activity
Champ1604 activity warning (these are different)

 

[Asek]

when i say 'no more votes on acid' im trying to stop him from being hammered within 12 hours of a day start

i never made any defense of him so keep trying to push that angle i guess?

 

[MoodyCloud]

Yeah I'll try to get off my ass today
I can get where acid's low activity and lack of motivation was coming from, I don't think it's scummy, actually I'd expect vampire to put in enough effort to survive a few days and once the snowball gets going it doesn't really matter if they're caught. As Hawkie has pointed out however I shouldn't be giving a free pass to this behavior after matrix but I feel like acid's been successfully pressured into talking so far.
Still on page 14 tbh so I can hardly make any other relevant comment but the Unclesam vs Asek start of day felt weirdly belligerent, pretty sure vamp hunter would target Sam to be sure in a few nights so I don't think he'd be the recruit at least, would be a pretty risky play imo

 

[MoodyCloud]

I still think the backup dying d1 was largely a good thing for town though

 

[MoodyCloud]

Best case scenario might've been for them to claim and not be lynched however

 

[MoodyCloud]

Wait backup only became vampire on n1 fuck nevermind that was bad

 

[zorbees]

not that any of this matters since he is dead, but in response to moody, backup becomes first power role to die, the n1 only thing is if the vampire targets the vampire hunter and they both die n1, i'm not sure what happens if the vampire recruits witch doctor, the role doesnt die but is lost so ???

anyways i'm a bit disheartened that Asek posted but didn't respond to the numerous things I pointed out about him

i'd like some actual reads from sandshrewz that last post was mostly filler

 

[Asek]

I'm not sure what to think about that "Asek's words of wisdom" post, I kind of feel like the logic is completely wrong. I mean he says that everyone that is town should be coming up with the same judgments of people, and that the one that sticks out should be scum, which just seems ludicrous to me. Townies coming to their own opinions will probably not all arrive at the same point, and the scum will probably try to parrot other people as an attempt to blend in because what scum wants to stick out lmao. Even if he really does feel that way as town, the post seems like filler to me.

i see where you are coming from with this. But it should of been evident to find weird behavior yesterday would be attributed to one of backup, vamp or vamp hunter and bt was kind of off and flipped as one of these roles. Do you believe i was wrong with it under that light? Parroting itself also sticks out, walrein parroted off BOTH my trs i had just made which i highlighted, a few of the nooby players had some weird parroting like earlio and tma...

After re-reading (re-skimming really) the thread, a lot of Asek's posts seem to be asking other players their opinions on things rather than him actively trying to solve the game, I feel like its acceptable to do occasionally as town but Asek does it quite a few times which raises some questions in my mind.

i was pretty busy d1 with work over a long weekend but most of my prodding was towards the newer players which i felt at the time could of been vampire and we would have been none the wiser

Asek is the first to bring up Walrein as town, Moody is one of the people that parrots it, asek also says he dislikes moody early on but then later says his list of 3 is B_T, US, and TMA, something seems off about this, might be vampire asek

bt felt off and he ended up flipping one of the roles that would give off such a feeling
tma has been really bad
us has been really bad

i still dont really like moody but i didnt think he was the best lynch at that point

 

[Champ1604]

Apologies for d2 inactivity, my phone has been taken away which is my main source of internet access. :/

Hard town read on UncleSam atm because all the things he has said either scream town or suggest that he is actively helping town. Null on zorbees and sandshrewz, they have been active but I'm not really sure how I feel about what they've actually said.

Pretty much never gonna scum read Hawkie because ilu bb <3

Acidphoenix has been townie enough at least that's what I've gotten out of her posts especially "why do your posts make no distinction between initial and recruits" thing. Unvote acidphoenix

This is what happens when I catch them for bandwagoning
With this, I guess I have enough reasons for
Lynch ThunderBallz