What do people think bout this wrt durza
durza hard claims cop. given flips of mafia and potential sk to come, as well as our own power roles should we face the misfortune to have one be killed, we should have durza self resolve within the next few cycles. If he is indeed what he claims he is, mafia has a great deal of reason to kill him, or if they decide to wifom not kill him to try get him lynched, run the risk of him sitting on someone and blocking the kill and proving himself that way.
I think he self resolves within 3~ cycles at the most
yes this is me advocating that a durza lynch might not be the best idea for today. its probably the best one we have so far but thats why we need to make some wagons n shit
once again
lynch earlio
＠champ1604 i was promised reads today. please deliver
Yeah yeah.
Firstly, I tried my best to actually get some posts which would help. Seriously, creating 19 pages in a single day. Much appreciated.
And, before lemme say this:
I'm a newbie, and I honestly haven't played games applying player-meta, because the place where I used to play mafia before PS! were literally goddamn mysterious and were different every game. No kidding.
I will write P-M instead of all that, if I feel like mentioning that is important.
And I never considered a read neutral.
Haruno :
Started with a RVS. Acceptable.
no fucking clue man. I assume fenrir playing with ps standards means asking for PR isn't that bad considering some dumbfuck scums on ps CLAIMED COP IN A GAME WITH NO PR and somehow led town to ruin because town didn't know any better. And ps mafia is literally just be the first person to claim cop and start randlynching.
also
DurzaOffTopic u might be the best user yet with your analysis of twin. That is very similar to how I view twin. Good job mate. Doesn't make u not scum tho xd
P-M
when the fuck did i say durza was scummy?????
i still feel ur more likely scum than durza.
+1
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/c9-game-thread.3607528/page-9#post-7405280
besides durza which I expected, I didn't expect earlio to have picked up so much if the vote count didn't happen so that was odd. Durza having so many votes at the time was unnatural af since it came from a presumably randvote from acid being the first vote which spiraled from an OMGUS from durza to stressing his player meta to the current situation beforeit deescalated and we're at our current situation.
tl;dr earlio + durza abit.
P-M
Overall - Slight Town
zorbees :
I think BBM and kirsche have summed up a lot of what I think about Fenrir, however, I will vote Earlio instead in the meantime. Last game, it was really obvious (in hindsight) that he was recruited, and obvious to me that he was town d1, so I'm putting pressure on someone who I think will be easy to read provided he posts more.
I think twin is town and Durza is more likely to be scum, but idk about Durza. I feel like, if he is being honest about why he asked Fenrir to claim, it is more likely that scum is thinking about what number majority is than town, so he may have honestly not realized. I do think a Durza/Fenrir team seems like it could make some sense.
Asek is acting similarly to last game when he was town, thats my only experience with him though.
Null reads on mostly everyone else.
How is putting pressure even related to them being recruited in the past game?
BigBangMeteor My possibility of a Durza/Fenrir scumteam wasn't a strong read, I just think its possible. I have scumreads on both of them for separate reasons. I feel like the whole Durza/Twin argument could have been a ploy by Durza to distract people from the Fenrir wagon that was happening, but who knows. I do think that the longer Durza calls Fenrir scummy, the less likely he is to be bussing a teammate, so Durza very well could just be town. However, the fact that he eases off of Fenrir as soon as the Durza/Fenrir scumteam is brought up is a bit odd. Could just be a coincidence though.
I don't think the asking Fenrir to claim is alignment indicative, if Durza really did think it was L-1 then it makes sense. As I said before, I feel like its more likely for scum to know what majority is, so if anything, its slightly towny of him, but I don't think it makes up for the rest of his bad play. I more scumread Durza based off of his reactions after the fact. I don't get why he thinks going between lynches is a bad thing when the whole early part of the game is called
Random Voting Stage.
DurzaOffTopic I think I can clarify a couple of Twin's questions:
This is a response to when you said "yes please" to twin's "1 more vote on fenrir" when you thought it was L-1. Twin is asking why are you so sure Fenrir is scum a few hours into the game. This is followed up by his "do you think or do you know he is scum", implying you would know he is scum if you are on his team.
I really don't like Durza's list of reads either, he said BBM needed to talk more when he was one of the more active players last night, says Earlio is insightful, and and isn't really committing to any reads. Just seems overly forced.
unvote, vote thetwinmasters
you seem super paranoid with 0 votes on you which is a bit weird
This seems more or less weird, first practically supporting twinmasters, then voting them, weird tbh. But weird, in a town way.
nah i dont need to answer that :P
I'm TR'ing you I don't need anything more.
I remember reading more good posts of them, but I can't find them in the 17 tabs again.
Overall: Slight Town.
Earlio :
Vote Fenrir
That's how offended I am by you talking in third person
Cliche start, RVS.
I'll post more fresh memewhen everyone else starts posting (hint hint)
My best bet for Scum is currently Durza, because even though I am leaning towards town for them I could also see them being scum (especially considering they're viewing rn and hasn't said anything). Nobody is particularly jumping out as scum for me as only a handful of people have posted enough posts for me to confidently read (i.e. The people I have read) and none of them are looking too scummy. As this day phase goes on I'll definitely be updating my reads.
And anyhow the bulk of those 8 pages is just Twin going ballistic on Durza
Yeah I don't think any scum would react so violently
Lynch Fenrir
Still personally looks like scum trying hard to look like involved town
Why lynch Fenrir even after this?
Not really seeing any big revelations as of now, but Durza's gone pretty quiet and Twin Sea to have cooled off slightly on him. I'd still like to see a few people (Jalmont, Champ, etc) speak up cuz nobody is really coming off as very scummy.
From what I've seems of Zorbees this is basically what he did vamps day 1 (when he was town) so I'm leaning towards town for him.
P-M AND Earlio learn to quote the posts you're replying to ty
I'm watching Durza here and he's really just throwing shade at Twin while simultaneously claiming a really hard to prove role so
Lynch Durza
And sorry for the general lack of posts (still probably on the upper half) I've had a pretty crammed day (exchange student+end of a vacation) so I'll pick up my posts tomorrow
What you're doing rn is not very much different.
Sorry, just woke up. I'm still not really sure why I'm being read as scum (something about not posting for a while because sleep) but here's some more reads anyhow:
Haruno: Very quiet, and from what I've seen of town haruno in the past they've been more vocal than this. Decent SR
Zorbees: Is acting just like town Zorbees from the last NOC, so I'm going with town for now.
Champ: I hunger for reads
BBM: Posts are good, seems to be invested in helping town so TR on him
Asek: Haven't seen scum Asek but is acting pretty much the same as town Asek from last game
Twin: Aggressive townie, mafia would never (i think) tunnel on a random person D1
Kirsche: Haven't really seen anything blatantly scummy from him, seems like a decent TR (given I have no idea how he plays)
Durza: Probably Scum seeing as he hasn't responded as more so attacked Twin back
Fenrir: Posts have been getting better and seems less scummy then before. I also think the Fenrir+Durza team is pretty debunked at this point.
Jalmont: No clue honestly, but I think a scum would at least try to post a little more
For now Lynch Champ
'For now Lynch Champ'
Read says: "I'm hungry for reads"
No comments on this.
Overall: Slightly Scummy
Jalmont :
I don't understand anything you just said, not sure if it's because you misused PR vs. VT or if I'm missing something in your logic. You seem to be saying that claiming a PR is easier than claiming a VT so PRs will claim VT? I don't understand what your conclusion is here. I still don't understand the point in doing so.
Do you always claim VT early in the game regardless of your role?
Regardless I guess this area of discussions is pretty off track so there's no point in pursuing it so I guess I'll drop it from here on out.
This is the only quality Jalmont post I've seen in this game. And honestly, I've seen them viewing the thread multiple times. So,
Overall: Slightly Scummy
BigBangMeteor :
you guys need to chill lol
Firstly
Fenrir- I voted you with my question to get more of a reaction to it. I really don't like your response because there weren't even any votes on you when I voted you so I'm not sure how my vote was opportunistic. It kind of feels like you were just making stuff up to jump on
my wagon (which had like 3 RVS votes on it) because you distinguished between my vote and Durza's by saying I didn't have an explicit read in the post, which is dumb because it was RVS. The entire thing was just super defensive. Also the thing about me not waiting for your response also feels like a reason to just park your vote on me. It's been like an hour.
Vote stays here, more coming on other stuff
I don't know if they started with RVS or not.. probably they did.. and I liked this post tbh.
unvote, vote earlio
fenrir might still be scum but he actually has significantly less forum mafia experience than I assumed so on second thought I'm going to cut him some slack for a while. some of his reactions/reasons about timing make more sense given that 99% of his mafia experience has been irl/chatroom. initial reason for voting me is still bad though.
I normally reserve the term "reaction test" for some kind of heavily thought out plan. I would refer to what I did as just regular RVS behaviour, which is doing things to increase the likelihood of someone having an abnormal reaction
Towny Post
durza- there's no reason to listpost reads on everyone if you don't have a read on most of those people; reads like content for the sake of it. then the few people there are reads about don't make a lot of sense- earlio has probably the shallowest reads in the game, and asek and twin have a pretty similar playstyle with the only difference being that twin posts more and is more abrasive. one is leaning town and the other is their strongest scumread. why is asek a townread?
I don't see a problem with frequently asking questions as long as you're asking them for a reason and do things with the answers. for me, wrt acidphoenix I'm more concerned about the second part, and their posts today, as opposed to their posts yesterday, which actually did have opinions. the ones today are just defending against what jalmont said and not actually contributing more.
Liked how they ask questions but.. what's your wrong if someone considers a TR for themselves to believe in? Also, about asek and twin, agreed.
But one thing disappointed me about them. They most of them just post reads and counter/attack people's points, which is more or less, a scum way to play. I would prefer if they start producing their own topics for discussion.
Overall: Moderately Town
Asek :
I won't quote any lots of quotes. Simply down to reasoning.
earlios been my strongest scum ping so far this game
vote earlio
No reason
Their D1 was a RVS
Well again, their way of playing is what I stated as BBM's, literally getting all info from others.
Overall: Slightly Town
DurzaOffTopic :
Firstly, thanks for making your TR. But,
Has been pushing too hard to defend themselves.
Constantly fighting with someone over the lynch.
Posting a lot.. with not every one having a significant value of its own
That's it for now, if I'm missing someone, remind me later. I need some sleep badly.
