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Jalmont said:
FORMER HOPE should be chomping on the bit to lynch JORDAN here because his action literally directly CONTRADICTS what jordan claims he's done in this game

his FAILURE to do so makes me think the only EXPLANATION is that he and jordan are BOTH MAFIA covering up for their failure to communicate FAKE claims
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More annoyed posting from me. But did you straight up ignore the part where I actually did exactly that right after he posted. And where I've been doing that after each and every time he's posted since which, oh wait. Hasn't been at all.
 
Former Hope said:
Texas Cloverleaf do you think in this game we have no actual cop then? Considering we still have a protector on the field and watchers, I've honestly been waiting for an actual counterclaim since I do personally feel like in this set up (well, most set ups...) town has some form of inspection to clear people.

(also smh, making me feel like I'm defending him when really I just don't agree with your points)

I mean, stuff like


Would actually have weight to it if he had been an active poster. But I don't see how you can distinquish inactive posting from not supporting his clears.




I mean, again. I don't follow your reasoning as it's a massive outlier from traditional mafia and rational thought. Of course a claim would come when you are under pressure, when else is a user who doesn't want to claim going to claim otherwise? Not to mention making up that Jalmont and Earlio were users who were being heavily town read at the time. Like straight up I just looked best and both users in the reads I could find were basically "might be town but could also be mafia" so why are you making up that they were both widely town read? Not to mention, of those clears the only one I really care about is the first one and how he interacts with them the day before this since the other clear would have come last night and frankly (and disappointingly) he hasn't had the posts to actually examine for evidence.



I can give you plenty of examples of lock town completely flaking, like common sense dictates that's more the user than role. So again just ???


I mean yes it is 1000% convenient. But here's the view from someone not tunneling, I can also see this world where he is town with his role claim and then, what else was he supposed to do? Not claim? Fake claim? So convenient yes but also entirely NAI.


Because I'm using critical thinking skills to apply knowledge that I publicly stated at the start of the day that I used my redirect and who I used it on and so XX not stating he was redirect feels more like a genuine mistake then scum move since well...it's public knowledge. If I hadn't revealed that publicly or at all and XX had posted, then yes absolutely I'd be on his ass. But seriously, how can you have a brain and think scum would knowingly contradict public information, like that only happens if he's actually trying to push to get me lynched and that hasn't been happening.

Anyways, I'm getting really annoyed now. but to summerize, I don't really like Jordan's slot right now and I want to see them flip. But the reasons and things you guys are bringing up are absolutely absurd and just frankly, illogical.
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Correct, I don't think we have a cop. Town already has some fairly powerful roles and a full fledged cop would push it way over the top
 
D3 Vote Count 3.3

XnadrojX (4): Texas Cloverleaf, MoodyCloud, jalmont, 3P1K
3P1K (2): XnadrojX, KnightsofCydonia,
KnightsofCydonia (1): Prophylaxis
Whydon (1): Former Hope
Haruno (2): apricity, Whydon
Not Voting (4): Hitmonleet, Aubisio, Haruno, Earlio

Deadline in ~22 hours
 
Also Jalmont and Earlio were definitely widely town read at the time of Jordans claim. Opinion on Jalmont shifted heavily by eod2 and Jordans claim was after earlios iirc
 
Popcorn to somebody, Texas.

(ie, say who you want to claim next, then that player says what their role is, repeat until we have massclaimed)

Like massclaim on Day 3 with no scum flip is already a bad idea but given that we're already halfway into it, might as well just complete it?
 
But seriously, how can you have a brain and think scum would knowingly contradict public information, like that only happens if he's actually trying to push to get me lynched and that hasn't been happening.
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The thing is, a town cop doesn't want to tell us that Jalmont (or was his n2 target Earlio ? not sure) is town when he should have received a result saying he had been redirected to apricity either. That's anti town. The explanation is that he forgot about it, and scum forgetting when making up a bs target is the most likely here as well.
 
people should also claim their actions as well to make it easier to keep track

currently cleaning up my room, so not super caught up yet, but i plan on dedicating the next 2-3 hours tonight to this game
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Also Jalmont and Earlio were definitely widely town read at the time of Jordans claim. Opinion on Jalmont shifted heavily by eod2 and Jordans claim was after earlios iirc
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Bullshit. I straight up went back and the reads I was seeing had no such information like that. (Mind you, that's exclusive to day 3 as I haven't throughly read the game before that purpose (only scanned it while being a spectator). So maybe it exists, but during day 3 I don't believe there was any "these guys are definetely town" to Earlio or Jalmont.
 
while i'm not too familiar with balancing rules on smogon I do have a fair amount of experience game design wise, so once we finish off the massclaim then I should be in a solid position to analyze things mechanically?

at least that's the hope
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Claiming Racoon

I.e. VT
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damn, why is the racoon not a watcher w/e
Prophylaxis said:
Should we do a full massclaim?

Every half massclaim I've seen has ended pretty terribly for the town and a full massclaim would probably shed some light on the roles we already have?
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ugh, I share your sentiment about doing it now. But like you said, it's already been done. Plus, it would really help to ease my thoughts if we could find another investigative role since I in no way believe we have only a watcher/voyuer or whatever.
 
MoodyCloud said:
The thing is, a town cop doesn't want to tell us that Jalmont (or was his n2 target Earlio ? not sure) is town when he should have received a result saying he had been redirected to apricity either. That's anti town. The explanation is that he forgot about it, and scum forgetting when making up a bs target is the most likely here as well.
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Where did he say he forgot it? I'm pretty sure he hasn't said anything since. So this is where I'm pissed, you and Texas are blatantly making up information at this point.
 
apricity

if we're doing a full massclaim, we should be claiming everything because we want as much information as possible in order to resolve this claim situation

you being an investigative role is very helpful in figuring out all of this, because you might be able to potentially counterclaim Xnadroj
 
(I mean, in all probabilities he did, or he idled. But to my recollection he hasn't said anything today since he claimed so you are taking that exclusively from what other people said which is just ???)

on the other part. We don't know who is night 1 and 2 inspects were, aka if he 'inspected' jalmont tonight (jalmont was the 2nd in order so that's the only hint right now).

Also not saying you recieved a redirect result when that redirect is public knowledge isn't anti town. It's sort of 100% NAI so stop pretending or exaggerating that it means something.
 
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