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Prophylaxis said:
OK just finished reading your post.

I will look over FH and give you my fair shake on his posts, and figure out if he's pushing a scum agenda or not. Thinking about doing a FH/KoC ISO to see what shakes out since because Smogon's being a hot mess right now for me I haven't really had the chance to dive deep into those.
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Honestly it's like a tale of two games and it's really fucking with me. The first 25-30 pages I read blazade's/FH's posts and I'm like "yep clear scum ez game" and then the next 25 are like "damn this dude is towny" which is scary and on a gut level I'm more inclined to be suspicious of because FH is a phenomenal mafia player.

Dude has convinced me that he's town as mafia

Dude has convinced me that he's mafia as town

man has no chill
 
Hahaha.

I like to think I'm pretty decent at reading people, but I literally only read FH town in the last game because he gave me a BP vest + it was expended (plus he did a kind of angleshooty thing D1) so I'll take another shot at reading him.

Plan right now for me is to post where I'm currently at with the game, do analysis on FH/KoC, and then talk with you/other townies to figure out which is the scum between them.
 
OK so this is where I'm starting off with the game state:

Asek
Thunder~BALLZ
Thetwinmasters
Whydon

Prophylaxis
Aubisio
Haruno
Earlio
Hitmonleet r. DurzaOffTopic
Jalmont
3P1K
Former Hope r. Blazade
Texas Cloverleaf r. Mithril
MoodyCloud
KnightsofCydonia
apricity

XnadrojX

12 players alive, 9 town, 3 scum. This is what we call a Basic on my home site, but we have the advantage of having Days 1/2/3 to sift through and mechanical information in order to find scum.

Asek
Thunder~BALLZ
Thetwinmasters
Whydon

Prophylaxis
Texas Cloverleaf r. Mithril
Aubisio
Haruno
Earlio
Hitmonleet r. DurzaOffTopic
Jalmont
3P1K
Former Hope r. Blazade
MoodyCloud
KnightsofCydonia
apricity

XnadrojX

Even though Texas isn't mechanically confirmed, he is my strongest townread because of his analysis and his drive to solve the game. Like I said from before, there are a couple of things that I don't think come from scum!Texas and would be pretty surprised to see him do (the nuance he treats his apricity read, how Jalmont/him argued in Day 2). My only question is where did the NK go on Night 2 if Whydon watched him and then KoC/Haruno targeted him; that night was extremely confusing WRT night actions but I'm trying to put that all aside for now. Either way, he's my single strongest townread due to behavior.

Asek
Thunder~BALLZ
Thetwinmasters
Whydon

Prophylaxis
Texas Cloverleaf r. Mithril
MoodyCloud
Aubisio
Haruno
Earlio
Hitmonleet r. DurzaOffTopic
Jalmont
3P1K
Former Hope r. Blazade
KnightsofCydonia
apricity

XnadrojX

Moody's my second best townread mainly because of meta. He just reads so radically different from the last game, where he was basically the definition of under the radar and was scum because of it. In this game, it feels like he cares about the game so much more and is actively working on the process of getting reads/trying to engage with people, and it's just such a large meta difference from the last game (plus, I'm liking most of what he's doing) that I have to give him a thumbs up.

Plus.. literally just realized he was confirmed town so there's that! Haha.

Prophylaxis
Texas Cloverleaf r. Mithril
MoodyCloud
apricity
Earlio
Aubisio
Haruno
Hitmonleet r. DurzaOffTopic
Jalmont
3P1K
Former Hope r. Blazade
KnightsofCydonia

XnadrojX

Apricity's rolecop claim makes sense as to why he was super cagey yesterday regarding the Xnadroj flip, plus there's no way a scum rolecop exists in the game when a scum vanilla cop has already flipped. He's been pretty genuine WRT reads and such as well.

Three clears (one behavior, one mechanical), plus me. All scum are in the bottom 8.

Prophylaxis
Texas Cloverleaf r. Mithril
MoodyCloud
apricity
Earlio
Aubisio
Haruno
Hitmonleet r. DurzaOffTopic
Jalmont
3P1K
Former Hope r. Blazade
KnightsofCydonia

XnadrojX

Want to do another read-through of Earlio because I can't actually remember much of what he's done recently outside of confirm that Texas/Knights are neighbors but his early game tonal stuff is good enough for me as of right now? Voyeur claim is also a thing; I think Apricity/Earlio/Whydon being investigatives makes a fair amount of sense in this type of setup, where I'd expect like 5-6 town power roles since we don't have a vig.


Prophylaxis
Texas Cloverleaf r. Mithril
MoodyCloud
apricity
Earlio
Jalmont
3P1K
Aubisio
Haruno
Hitmonleet r. DurzaOffTopic
Former Hope r. Blazade
KnightsofCydonia

XnadrojX

Lightest behavioral townreads on this list belong to Jalmont and 3P1K.

Jalmont has been pretty aggressive and confrontational and has mostly been needling FH over these past couple of pages. Honestly, he could do with a reread - most of his towniness bets on my theory that he doesn't argue with Texas if one of them is scum because it seems very taxing and prone to failure if you actually ARE scum, but I literally just took a look at his last couple of posts and they're literally just "statements" and he warrants another look.

3P1K has been like the definition of "earnest, trying hard, but has led two town wagons". I like most of his posts, he's hitting a fair number of tonal towntells for me, but like Texas said, not sure if I want him around in lylo because of the possibility that he can be really good deep scum. Again I want to have a fair shake/appraisal of his posts, which should probably come after the KoC/FH rereads but it will happen eventually.

Now we get to the PoE, which is five people. Aubisio, Haruno, Hitmonleet, FH, Knights.

FH is the towniest out of these behaviorally but taking heed of what Texas says, so I will do a reread and let you guys know what I think of this slot.

Aubisio has the Ascetic claim which.. can go either way I feel. Ascetic is a negative utility role similar to miller I've found to be on town, but it is certainly a useful role to have as mafia. Still unsure here.

Hitmonleet is part of PoE and has done nothing to claw out of it.

Haruno. OK, so the thing that's throwing me in for a loop here is that he's.. our only claimed protective role (bodyguard, right? Target a player, instead of that player dying you die instead?) so I am inclined to townread him for that, but a kill didn't show up on Night 2 + he's had atrocious behavior thus far. So I really want to hear more from him regarding that and.. anything from him really.

Knights is my strongest scumread still and I will case him tomorrow since I haven't really done that yet. Basically it boils down to him playing differently than the last game we played, him not trying to really game-solve, plus him not really attempting to engage with me/others on them scumreading him (I've been pretty vocal about scumreading him but he has not even tried to engage or talk with me about that, which strikes me as odd).
 
P sure i mentioned the potential of OS Scum Neighbourizer earlier as a shot in the dark; too lazy to quote post. or ig he could still be two shot and just not put in the other shot.
 
I have seen mafia neighborizers before. In a scum game I won last year, my buddy was a mafia neighborizer and used that role to great success (basically by telling a townie that he was heavily suspecting another townie, while we killed that townie that night, making it look like we NK'd someone mislynchable)

I'd prefer to just work off of behavior rather than role and Knights's behavior is not good IMO.

Vote Knights
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
If you're town I'd like to not have to mislynch you. Planning on playing the game? Where're your thoughts at?
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Do you really think scum idled; with the claims we have on the table haruno is the only one capable of stopping a kill. Unless moody/jalmont comes out with something crazy; but i feel like if they stopped/potentially stopped the NK he wouldnt have let us go this far out into this discussion without stopping us.
 
3P1K said:
Semi off topic: This is such a fast paced game mfw. So much to do and respond to
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First off, I'm home. Second, this. Like so much this.
Prophylaxis said:
Oh, so Haruno is just the doctor?

Hmm.

If that's the case then Knights tried to kill Texas and is passing it off as a failed neighborize?
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That's what I think is likely. But...

Texas Cloverleaf said:
Funny enough it's the vt claims that i'm coming to think are the least suspect
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I actually disagree with this. This is mostly set up spec. But I feel by the fact that we have a role cop and a voyeur indicates that scum have roles that are very clearly scum. And while we do have some roles that could be faked (aubisio and...well, literally only aubisio) I think most likely scum that have clearly scum roles would probably claim VT. =
 
Former Hope said:
First off, I'm home. Second, this. Like so much this.

That's what I think is likely. But...


I actually disagree with this. This is mostly set up spec. But I feel by the fact that we have a role cop and a voyeur indicates that scum have roles that are very clearly scum. And while we do have some roles that could be faked (aubisio and...well, literally only aubisio) I think most likely scum that have clearly scum roles would probably claim VT. =
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Particularly in this case, if there is a roleblocker (dependant on KOC being town, but I could see this being the case where KOC and Haruno both flip town)
 
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