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Okay, time to say my piece.

I don't think this is a good game to go back and read to find the last scum. Of the 3 scum, xx and aubisio were never that widely town read and scum knew koc was dead the moment whydon revealed his results. So in the game, the scum has had plenty of time for bussing and setting up this end game. With that, I think the only really meaningful stuff is going to come from day 1 and 2 (2 especially because of the sudden lynch change) and day 3 before whydon posted his results, seeing whose views on koc changed after whydon did his thing.

Because of that, I do honestly prefer looking at this game mechanically. I think the roles and the interactions behind them will probably give us our best bet to nailing the last scum. In this mode of thought, I think leet is likely to be town as while he could be some godfather or vanilla mafia. The more likely thing is he's just vt. The other big question is did the last mafia claim their real role. I personally feel it's more likely they did not which would point to: epik and proph. Though if they did, then that really only points to earlio.
 
I'd do an iso, but I don't think I have the time to get on that and have it all done before DL. I'll try and whip up a quick scan before dl. Right now though unvote vote 3P1K. Tbh this is a preservation vote (I'd prefer not to be lynched, as I know I'm town, so I'd rather have the person who feels fairly towny to me be lynched instead of the person I know 100% as town). Will have to scan over things more.
 
Let me take a look at Durza's posts, maybe I can find something?
I'm fairly sure this isn't scum leet. But full discretion, that's a gut read + what I can recall of his past scum games.

More thoughts come when my shift ends
I was honestly going to grill FH here but I don't expect him to clear Leet if he is the last scum? Like, that's removing a mislynch he 100% needs in order to win this game.

This gamestate is so screwy to me because I feel like Leet /has/ to be scum. But he's sticking it out and fighting, so massive props to him. I'm worried about the nightmare scenario where we lynch Leet, he flips town, then we're basically shooting fish in a barrel so to speak?
 
Let me take a look at Durza's posts, maybe I can find something?

I was honestly going to grill FH here but I don't expect him to clear Leet if he is the last scum? Like, that's removing a mislynch he 100% needs in order to win this game.

This gamestate is so screwy to me because I feel like Leet /has/ to be scum. But he's sticking it out and fighting, so massive props to him. I'm worried about the nightmare scenario where we lynch Leet, he flips town, then we're basically shooting fish in a barrel so to speak?

If you want my two cents, I think we should reevaluate things. I feel like the group thoughts have been sidetracked at some point, like we're missing something big. I'm prolly getting lynched anyways, but I can't help but feel town has been moved into a completely wrong direction. If my lynch leaves us shooting fish in a barrel, that's a real problem. Assume nothing that isn't utterly proven. Assume PRs might be lying. You lamented in JOAT mafia that you would have no idea if there were 6 mafia. Don't think within constraints like that. Ofc we know for sure we only have one mafia left, but any of the other bases of our ideas might be wrong, so we have to revisit those foundations. After all, the nightmare's gonna be a real one soon, so if the only solution you've got atm is to guess and pray, something went wrong somewhere.
 
Ngl im probably gonna maintain my laziness until leet flips. I could explain my TRs on the rest of the slots but i cant really be bothered. POE screams leet. Especially after today; he reads panicky and frantic as opposed to logical and calm and town has what is likely a tremendous advantage in this situation. Tonally his day today doesnt make much sense to me.
As is the situation now its hard for me to see a world where leet isnt the last scum based on everyone else's merit. If a tommorow occurs i'll stop being lazy but i really dont think it does.

Gonna ask for more details on this. You make all these implied claims, but you don't even detail them because you're "Too lazy". Screw you don't be lazy here that's a terrible idea.
 
Let's say Moody gets killed because tree stump.

Prophylaxis
Earlio
Jalmont
3P1K
Former Hope

I know I'm town.

Everyone else should be 100% re-evaluated.

I feel like if I reread the game, then force myself to write down WHY everyone is town and possible reasoning as to why they might be scum, we can get there.
 
I want you to fullclaim.

Role, actions, how many shots you have, who you used the shots on, etc.
Why do you want to know how many shots he has left if any? I guess I sort of get the other questions but if haruno can still stop a kill that's information that's crucial for mafia. So especially given that he basically has to be clear. .. I don't get why you want that info to be known.
 
I want you to fullclaim.

Role, actions, how many shots you have, who you used the shots on, etc.
why u want this lol. I already claimed the important bits.

Role: Doc.
Animal: elephante
shots: One was used on texas during night 3 (or whichever night knights tried to kill him)

rest should not concern you.
 
Why do you want to know how many shots he has left if any? I guess I sort of get the other questions but if haruno can still stop a kill that's information that's crucial for mafia. So especially given that he basically has to be clear. .. I don't get why you want that info to be known.

In a situation like this I'd prefer to have EVERYTHING on the table in order for us to have the most information possible while making decisions. I don't see a doctor being super valuable in this situation because there's wine if they targeted someone and the kill was stopped; it's only relevant if Haruno blocks 2+ kills IMO. And the scum are probably just shooting him Tonight if we miss, so.
 
First off, I'm home. Second, this. Like so much this.

That's what I think is likely. But...


I actually disagree with this. This is mostly set up spec. But I feel by the fact that we have a role cop and a voyeur indicates that scum have roles that are very clearly scum. And while we do have some roles that could be faked (aubisio and...well, literally only aubisio) I think most likely scum that have clearly scum roles would probably claim VT. =
soft defense of Aubisio (from the day we lynched Knights) ?

Epik busses Aubisio/Knight hard on the same page if he's mafia
 
Hey so it turns out life is going to get in the way of me scanning things, so general thoughts and advice towards everyone:

Prophylaxis you better reconsider everyone like you said that you would. I'm gonna be sad if you to shooting fish in a barrel and all that (and if you're mafia, which tbh would make sense, I suppose, then screw u)

3P1K Don't be lazy. It's gonna be important for everyone to contribute for us to figure things out, so step up your game man.

Haruno please, please don't be haruno this game. I've seen you play like you give a shit, and you're actually really good. I'm actually starting to have my team win games, and I'd like that to continue, so please take this seriously.

MoodyCloud Be more detailed and descriptive. I have a hard time deciphering you, and a lot of times you just post and leave it at that. People are going to need you to post details as to your reasoning to figure stuff out, so yeah.

Former Hope Keep up the good thoughts, and try to post more. Don't really have a lot of details tbh.

Jalmont You're probably scum. Don't be scum. That's it, really.

If I have time, I'll post things intermittently, but since this might be my last post of the game: See you all, and I told you so.
 
Earlio:

Earlio said:
Shit sonic you screwed up my scum streak

Confirm
I mean, this is easy to fake as scum, but as Texas said, this would often more come from a town Earlio than not.

Votes Haruno/unvotes Haruno. Not super alignment indicative to read into this.

Asek said:
ok. which of them do you think is mafia? this doesnt feel like an earlio scum game to me so far and the last time i played a noc where they were maf and i cared i caught them d1.
This meta read holds.. some weight? Unsure given that it's only Day 1 but it's worth considering.

Knights said:
I'm not liking Earlio's play. Between how he walked back his Haruno vote and defended the walkback after it was commented upon, he seems pretty focused on how his actions look. It comes off as trying to avoid heat.

vote Earlio
^^ biggest point of evidence supporting Earlio town in my opinion

The way the thread was flowing, Knights didn't need to bus a buddy here. Feels like he was trying to angle a mislynch opportunity to me.

Is this actually distancing though? Knights doesn't try to move back onto Earlio I believe later in the game.

Knights said:
Earlio pretty much ducked out of contribution after the walk back. He even used the mod example phrase to pad his postcount. Dude is gun shy and gut says that it's scummy.
Knights really attacking Earlio here. I /think/ this is him trying to mislynch a townie?

Earlio said:
3P1K is posting meaningless fluff so far about the the persuade, gonna read what they did D1 when I get off mobile. I have reason to believe Aubisio is actually persuaded, from what I’ve seen so far this game seems decently role-heavy (perhaps no true vanillas?) and I could see a mafia (or town lmao) persuade being in this game in spite of its pointlessness. I’m not quite up to speed on the whole Blazade issue (gonna read up) but aubisio’s other reads seem awfully low hanging with the easy Haruno target and calling out Jalmont when I’ve seen him play much more idly and “irrational” before as town. Could be some sort of scum play to make aubisio look town via a persuade
Lynch Aubisio

I’ll look over other ppl later and also where the fuck is Durza
Earlio votes Aubisio out of his own volition here. Have Jalmont persuade your buddy, then saying that it's a scum play to make him look town by a persuade?

That train of thought is.. incredibly foreign to me. Like, shouldn't you be propping up your scumbuddy for being persuaded? Instead of pressuring them?

Earlio said:
It doesn’t be necessarily have to (and probably shouldn’t be) and actual persuade us Aubisio is scum, didn’t rlly think of how dumb that was lol. Also what is a VT and stop describing your stance towards me with cryptic phrases :(
KnightsofCydonia said:
Vanilla Town. Aka a flip we've already had. Meanwhile, you're talking about "no true vanillas" after it's been proven false.

Your play is turning VI today and it's making it harder for me to read you.

I'm a player who ises metaphors. I'll gladly clarify any of them on request but don't make me change my style.
Earlio said:
Lmao how was he Vanilla town? He could make another player a Vanilla Town once per night, I thought Vanilla Town had no roles whatsoever :|
Earlio said:
No just seeing the kangaroo triggered my memory, I swear I'm not smart enough to derpclear myself, please don't let this lower your opinion of me

MoodyCloud What do you think of this exchange with Knights and Earlio about Earlio derp-clearing himself on totally missing Asek's flip?

I feel like as scum he would be hyper-concerned about the NK, right, and check it first thing? As opposed to if he's town and accidentally sees TBZ's flip as Asek's?

Texas Cloverleaf said:
Earlio: His first post in this game pings me as a very towny entrance, in this specific context, for this specific game. Earlio has been scum for a large number of games in a row on this site and I can very easily get inside the mindset where he posts about celebrating not being scum for once due to having a similar streak on mafiascum. While it's true that this post could be easily faked, I don't think Earlio is that skilled at deception or that this is the kind of route he would take to try and get town cred, as if he were thinking of faking it he would surely know how easily it could be faked. Instead I read it as genuine appreciation for being an actual townie. From my perspective, town!Texas wants to talk about his streak as a funny thing and to yay post but scum!Texas doesn't want to bring attention to being scum all the time and create those associations and I think that translates to earlio here. Everything else he's posted up until 337 has been standard earlio fare, weak town/scum play, no clear alignment indication, standard meta for him. Finally, is post 337 has a very clear and direct townslip that I'm not going to identify for obvious reasons (not putting him at risk/not giving the mafia a bead on what I'll town read).
Posting this here because Texas is a person that deserves to be listened to.

Earlio said:
The Jalmont vs Texas debacle feels somewhat like town vs. town because I can’t really see scum (Jalmont in this case) getting so aggressive, but idk if I’ve ever played with scum Jalmont and town Jalmont has usually been more on the dismissive side for the first few days, so I would be fine with a lynch.
Lynch Jalmont

Can somebody blackmail Durza to play or something

Votes Jalmont; can't really say much about this? It's such a surface level read from Earlio.

Earlio said:
Ok I just woke up and read through the last few pages, I could definitely see Whydon being scum with the easy Xandrox lynch on the basis of “being inactive” iirc, feels like a really weak reasoning at this point in the game.

Could somebody explain the Blazade wagon?
Meh. He suspects a townie with reasoning that does not allow me to get into his head/thought process.

He suspects Jalmont/Whydon while pivoting away from Aubisio. Knights also pivots away from him. Man, I hate when solid townreads turn more muddy.

Votes Durza/Whydon on Day 3, was voting Twin at the end there. Man his posts are so short I can't get anything from them.

Earlio said:
Blazade/Former: Interactions with Texas today make him a pretty good lynch+a good amount of interactions to look at regardless of flip
XX: Not sure, leaning towards idly scum. Wanna see more from them today
Knights: Decent wall of reads but has otherwise just been complaining about lack of activity. Offended that he thinks I'm scum but a null read for now
Aubisio: The Persuade makes him an unlikely mafia (on the condition that Whydon flips scum), few posts today haven't really said much at all
Apricity: The use of a code hard towncleared him imo, can't see a scum player ever doing that tbh, really just a gut read

With that I'm Lynch Former Hope as I'm a bandwagon type of guy (not actually just that Texas brings up good points + I'm a sheep lol)
Does he group the rest of the scum like this? XX/Knights/Aubisio? He also pivots away from Aubisio scum.

Earlio said:
My role is significantly similar (not exactly, hence why I'm unsure of it). Well I'm not a power role by any degree so I might as well claim

Each night I can watch a user and I will be told each actions preformed on them, but not who did it. I targeted Blazade last night, turned up null, and Asek the first night, obviously being informed that they were targeted with a kill
Claims voyeur. I guess I like the way he claimed this (it feels very casual) but an unlimited voyeur in a world of limited shots is ??

N1 - Asek, informed that he was targeted by a kill
N2 - Blazade, nothing
N3 - Texas, saw Knights neighborize him
N4 - Texas, informed he was killed
N5 - MoodyCloud, nothing

Earlio said:
I'm a Voyeur, you missed that :(

I stand by my claim earlier this day about Knights having one huge read dump and then proceeding to just come in with small quips the whole game, so I could see myself lynching him (especially with this convenient neighborizer claim). What's the deal with Jordan's results being fake in some way? Shouldn't that come off as obv lynch
I like that he's pressuring Knights here?

Talks about STRONG WILLED stuff here.

Earlio said:
I'd like to refrain from hammering but I agree with Proph's posts on XX being a solid lynch + Knights not really contributing too much (I had said that earlier this day too), consider my vote to be on XX in spirit
Does Earlio just casually bus both of his buddies like this? I dunno?

Earlio said:
Got informed that he was killed + was sent a message by an animal that I was persuaded, note the message
Earlio said:
I was told to Vote Jalmont or else I would be killed, I could vote otherwise to confirm wether or not persuade exists but that feels dumb
Earlio said:
Hi yes I am here, have 2 things to say

Somebody on Aubisio’s last second “these people are scum list” is probably scum, Aubisio was using it as a way to clear players imo
Jalmont could be a scum messenger but that feels unlikely, very confused with the persuade play tho

It’s not lylo yet right
More meh posts from Earlio.

OK I just got through most of his posts. Man, it's really difficult to read Earlio because he doesn't post much + when he does post, he doesn't really show much insight into his thought process. Plus, he's been coasting hardcore for.. pretty much the entire game lol. I feel like the key interactions to determine his alignment is like, the back and forth between Knights and Earlio about the town slip. Plus he was fine going along with lynching Knights/Xnadroj/Aubisio. Plus, voyeur claim when scum already have an investigative role (vanilla cop) is a thing.

I think gun to head he's town but it's difficult for me to get to that point heh.
 
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