Neither of these three things will happen. But if you vote heal I might join you.
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NOC 2d3 Mafia - Game Over, Town Win! (and postgame is up)
- Thread starter JALMONT
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lol what is it
i think you were drunk when you posted this and your scum game in hope+1 seemed a little too calculated for drunk posting
the can of alexander keith's on my desk would agree with you that i was drinking last night
I think there's a decent chance that one of viper or apricity are scum and my history with them is more of a hindrance than a help in this game. In any event, apricity's lines haven't been helpful at all in terms of scumhunting and instead he just wants one liners. And viper is busy defending himself under fire, which is something both a town and a scum would do.
Viper's explanation of just using discord speak in a forum post is a bit weird to me, but maybe mafia posts are less formal than what I am anticipating them being and viper's language organization could just be fine. I might be applying what I believe are language norms of forum posts against viper even if those norms don't exist, but if anything that's just because I'm new to forum mafia and I don't know the norms. But uh yeah, viper's mental pacing and subsequent posts I think do show that he is triggered by hal from past experiences. And well, I'm triggered by both viper and hal so things aren't going to get much better. Now, do I think acting on these triggers is the best path moving forward? Probably not, but it is still very tempting. And in lieu of any real scum reads, acting of these temptation might be what I'll do just because I don't have any real leads.
For gut town reads/scum reads, I really don't have any yet. However, I do think smogon account's read of immafirin is something to consider. I do think imma's posts have been logical and to the point but saying he/she is rusty to start *could* be seen as a way to excuse weird potentially scummy behavior... but this hasn't been happening to a extreme degree yet.
Okay since I've been typing my post, I think viper's latest post is kinda interesting. He's reacting a bit huffy to the callouts from the others, which is what I think is viper's typical behavior. But he didn't really act huffy to my post looking at his language usage, and tbh I expected him to be a little miffed at it. Hal's subsequent post and all his posts in this thread mentioning me have been huffy too, and well that's what I expect so I really don't care.
In the end I think hal/viper/I simply have too deeply ingrained negative personal histories and it's going to negatively impact this game if it's allowed to continue. It flat out sucks to the rest of the townies and is unfair to their game for people to squabble over things irrelevant to this one. I'm willing to spare them and let things go if some new lead actually seems worthwhile, but if that doesn't happen I will probably vote one of them. I don't really care which one at this point.
As a vanilla brethen, my only powers are to post and vote while playing this game. And I will damn well make sure I talk before voting =]
Viper's explanation of just using discord speak in a forum post is a bit weird to me, but maybe mafia posts are less formal than what I am anticipating them being and viper's language organization could just be fine. I might be applying what I believe are language norms of forum posts against viper even if those norms don't exist, but if anything that's just because I'm new to forum mafia and I don't know the norms. But uh yeah, viper's mental pacing and subsequent posts I think do show that he is triggered by hal from past experiences. And well, I'm triggered by both viper and hal so things aren't going to get much better. Now, do I think acting on these triggers is the best path moving forward? Probably not, but it is still very tempting. And in lieu of any real scum reads, acting of these temptation might be what I'll do just because I don't have any real leads.
For gut town reads/scum reads, I really don't have any yet. However, I do think smogon account's read of immafirin is something to consider. I do think imma's posts have been logical and to the point but saying he/she is rusty to start *could* be seen as a way to excuse weird potentially scummy behavior... but this hasn't been happening to a extreme degree yet.
Okay since I've been typing my post, I think viper's latest post is kinda interesting. He's reacting a bit huffy to the callouts from the others, which is what I think is viper's typical behavior. But he didn't really act huffy to my post looking at his language usage, and tbh I expected him to be a little miffed at it. Hal's subsequent post and all his posts in this thread mentioning me have been huffy too, and well that's what I expect so I really don't care.
In the end I think hal/viper/I simply have too deeply ingrained negative personal histories and it's going to negatively impact this game if it's allowed to continue. It flat out sucks to the rest of the townies and is unfair to their game for people to squabble over things irrelevant to this one. I'm willing to spare them and let things go if some new lead actually seems worthwhile, but if that doesn't happen I will probably vote one of them. I don't really care which one at this point.
As a vanilla brethen, my only powers are to post and vote while playing this game. And I will damn well make sure I talk before voting =]
i think we're going to have a lot of fun this game
let's chat about which wagon you want to join me on
wagoning is work i dont wanna
heal's recent post is very stiff tho, catching my attention
heal's recent post is very stiff tho, catching my attention
sup any1 wanna talk
agree with this tbh
what do you think of heal so far? is apricity more scummy to you than heal atm to place your vote on?
why not the first one? why conceal info atm?
hmm
you can't read anybody here?
r u serious
do you really not have a preference between apricity or viper? who would u rather lynch, gun pointed to your head, so far?
i dont really understand heal's post or what he's going for here, but to me tonally it still seems sincere yet wary. i could just b bad at reading tho lmao
still would like to see more from low activity posters
agree with this tbh
what do you think of heal so far? is apricity more scummy to you than heal atm to place your vote on?
why not the first one? why conceal info atm?
hmm
you can't read anybody here?
r u serious
do you really not have a preference between apricity or viper? who would u rather lynch, gun pointed to your head, so far?
i dont really understand heal's post or what he's going for here, but to me tonally it still seems sincere yet wary. i could just b bad at reading tho lmao
still would like to see more from low activity posters
I scumlean one of viper or apricity but I don't think both are scum. If gun was to my head, I'd say I think apricity is more likely to be scum mostly because his language has been more aggressive and he hasn't been listing any reasoning and instead is making mostly personal retorts. That said, I do think some of my bias against apricity from outside of this game is affecting my judgement, which is why I am not voting yet because I want outside opinions to check my bias.
heal is acting a little strange but this is like how he talks regularly so im not looking that much into it ill wait till he says more stuff
rn id say lean town on heal although i do get what you all are saying
ive explained why my vote is on hal, also hal told me this:
which makes me want to vote heal even less lol
so firstly can I get a vote/lynch count?
and secondly, I have this strange gut feeling that hal and viper could both be scum and hal's been hyper-aggressive while viper is having to be defensive which makes him seem very resistant and slightly scummy. This would make it seem not super obvious that their partners, it's probably unlikely but there's something in my gut saying somethings off
and secondly, I have this strange gut feeling that hal and viper could both be scum and hal's been hyper-aggressive while viper is having to be defensive which makes him seem very resistant and slightly scummy. This would make it seem not super obvious that their partners, it's probably unlikely but there's something in my gut saying somethings off
Unofficial Vote Count(think this is right)
HealnDeal(2): caffeineboost, apricity
Viper(2): duskfall, nuxl
Apricity(1): viper
ImmaFirinMahLazer(1): smogon account
no votes: lazer, texas, heal
5 votes is hammer
i would be very surprised if that were the case on ur latter point honestly, but occam's razor etc
they both scumlean for you as well, then?
first off i want to say i hate player meta i find it stupid, so all of my reads throughout the game are just gonna be from this
HeaLnDeaL - Slight town read: all of his posts have been very logical other than his lead post saying "Im vanilla" however I dont think that is a scum tell i just think he needed an simple first thing to say. I dont understand scum reads on him however maybe im missing something.
apricity - Slight Scum Read: has been all over the place and hyper-aggressive, this isnt always scummy as i know lots of people who play town very aggressively, however the "Dusk town viper scum" post gives me a very strong scum vibe.
Texas Cloverleaf - Neutral read: Seems very experienced, He really doesnt say much with his posts, however with what he has said most of the time, it doesnt need further explanation. Would love to see more detailed posts from him later, however could be not saying much as hes trying to not seem like a big threat as a power role, or that hes trying to seem helpful as town but not be too helpful as hes scum. Dont have a good read on him yet tho.
Nuxl - Town Read: also seems very experienced, hes very active and is seemingly being very helpful to town, gives logical (as in not wild takes/illogical takes) reads. Questions everything he doesnt fully get from a post which is nice.
smogon account - Neutral read: hasnt said much other than lynching me and calling out apricity as scum unless i missed a post, so i cant get a good read on him.
Duskfall98 - Neutral read: A lot of his posts are him deflecting attention off of hal's scum behavior due to player meta and past games, if hal is scum, dusk could be a partner however that doesnt really make him fully scummy, as it seems hes trying to avoid the player meta, would love to see who he has town reads/leans on if he has them
ItzViper482: Slight Scum Read: As explained in above post, hes seemingly very defensive for day 1. With only 2? lynches on him. He's also kinda targeting Hal a good amount but its going both ways with them. He comes off as paranoid, not sure if that fully equates to scum but as of now slight scum read.
CaffeineBoost: Neutral read: I find the "Nobody rn seems particularly scummy so I'll just put my vote on the player I disagree with most." this a very strange/bad reason to lynch someone, unless i dont understand the use of the word disagree in this context. I can really get a full read on him as he hasnt really said much, will give a better read as he says more.
All in all:
I have a strange feeling both hal and viper are scum and Nuxl is my biggest town read, however we are still in the early game so i dont have full reads on a lot of people.
HeaLnDeaL - Slight town read: all of his posts have been very logical other than his lead post saying "Im vanilla" however I dont think that is a scum tell i just think he needed an simple first thing to say. I dont understand scum reads on him however maybe im missing something.
apricity - Slight Scum Read: has been all over the place and hyper-aggressive, this isnt always scummy as i know lots of people who play town very aggressively, however the "Dusk town viper scum" post gives me a very strong scum vibe.
Texas Cloverleaf - Neutral read: Seems very experienced, He really doesnt say much with his posts, however with what he has said most of the time, it doesnt need further explanation. Would love to see more detailed posts from him later, however could be not saying much as hes trying to not seem like a big threat as a power role, or that hes trying to seem helpful as town but not be too helpful as hes scum. Dont have a good read on him yet tho.
Nuxl - Town Read: also seems very experienced, hes very active and is seemingly being very helpful to town, gives logical (as in not wild takes/illogical takes) reads. Questions everything he doesnt fully get from a post which is nice.
smogon account - Neutral read: hasnt said much other than lynching me and calling out apricity as scum unless i missed a post, so i cant get a good read on him.
Duskfall98 - Neutral read: A lot of his posts are him deflecting attention off of hal's scum behavior due to player meta and past games, if hal is scum, dusk could be a partner however that doesnt really make him fully scummy, as it seems hes trying to avoid the player meta, would love to see who he has town reads/leans on if he has them
ItzViper482: Slight Scum Read: As explained in above post, hes seemingly very defensive for day 1. With only 2? lynches on him. He's also kinda targeting Hal a good amount but its going both ways with them. He comes off as paranoid, not sure if that fully equates to scum but as of now slight scum read.
CaffeineBoost: Neutral read: I find the "Nobody rn seems particularly scummy so I'll just put my vote on the player I disagree with most." this a very strange/bad reason to lynch someone, unless i dont understand the use of the word disagree in this context. I can really get a full read on him as he hasnt really said much, will give a better read as he says more.
All in all:
I have a strange feeling both hal and viper are scum and Nuxl is my biggest town read, however we are still in the early game so i dont have full reads on a lot of people.
just wanna clarify it was 3 lynches and 2 other ppl were tagged by hal to also lynch me (and also hal said he wanted to end the day in 48 hours lol)
this is a decent point. L-2 isn't super dangerous; if viper thinks apricity is scum trying to get town to sheep him, then there's only one maf vote left and i don't think any town would hammer or intend to at this position as that would be suspicious for d2 if viper flips green right
conversely,
i really dont think scum!apricity would place scum!viper in such a position this early on at all though, it just doesn't feel optimal to me? esp with tagging 4 other people. cuz this pressure means u try to get a quick lynch with the way hal's rallying beside town. let's say all 4 town that are tagged decide to sheep, then apricity busses his partner to set up from some lategame lylo shit ig
I'm inclined to think it's just super aggressive pressure from apricity here.
i'm actually super curious why you feel this way about them being scum
I dont see anything wrong with his points, hence to me they seem logical. Logical to me just means rational and not that i agree with it.
I just have a strange gut feeling, that i can't explain. Its unlikely but I just dont want to not mention it.
can u further elaborate your town read?
did you really think the trigger would've been pulled there?
can u elaborate on why you think it's town!heal?