NOC 2OC2NOC - Day 7: Zorbees is Dead.

hey don't have time 4 a full response rn but zorbees was hinting at having more info than the common bear, without making it feel like a town PR, so he's my 3P bet, while between nuxl/dusk/apricity I chose nuxl and apricity based on them having participated
 
shubaka17 said:
hey don't have time 4 a full response rn but zorbees was hinting at having more info than the common bear, without making it feel like a town PR, so he's my 3P bet, while between nuxl/dusk/apricity I chose nuxl and apricity based on them having participated
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This doesn’t make sense. Why is Zorbees scum for having more information? Why are Nuxl and Hal scummier for participating?
 
Refa said:
I definitely want to lynch Tommy now LOL. This exactly the post he'd make as scum in this situation. Firstly, let's consider that M2H is one of his strongest town reads. This means that he DOES 100% believe M2H's claim. So his excuse that he doesn't want to lynch in the pool because it's a 1 in 3 chance which is roughly the same chance of lynching anyone in this game (probably not true unless Smogon numbers are very scumsided BTW) doesn't really hold, because it's basically a 1 in 2 chance from his perspective. Town Tommy would be 100% on board with lynching between the other two because it is 1) extremely good odds 2) doesn't clear him but makes him look better at least. Actually, why DOES Tommy think that it's 1 in 3 odds when the phrasing was "at least 1/3 of these players is scum"? That's kinda suspect on its own.

I have nothing to say about the ITP spec (never seen a role like contractor before, maybe Tommy is right), but the scumread on Hal seems pretty weak to me. Generally serial killers do not claim vigilante in my experience. I don't get why he's voting Hal here as town if he claims to not believe lynching in the three.
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Mindmeld if i was town!duskfall id be down 2 clown i think the 1/3 statemebt is a potential perspective slip also
 
Refa said:
I definitely want to lynch Tommy now LOL. This exactly the post he'd make as scum in this situation. Firstly, let's consider that M2H is one of his strongest town reads. This means that he DOES 100% believe M2H's claim. So his excuse that he doesn't want to lynch in the pool because it's a 1 in 3 chance which is roughly the same chance of lynching anyone in this game (probably not true unless Smogon numbers are very scumsided BTW) doesn't really hold, because it's basically a 1 in 2 chance from his perspective. Town Tommy would be 100% on board with lynching between the other two because it is 1) extremely good odds 2) doesn't clear him but makes him look better at least. Actually, why DOES Tommy think that it's 1 in 3 odds when the phrasing was "at least 1/3 of these players is scum"? That's kinda suspect on its own.

I have nothing to say about the ITP spec (never seen a role like contractor before, maybe Tommy is right), but the scumread on Hal seems pretty weak to me. Generally serial killers do not claim vigilante in my experience. I don't get why he's voting Hal here as town if he claims to not believe lynching in the three.
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I have a 100 percent read rate on m2h regardless of his alignment ever since his second game of mafia, in many games across multiple sites. I am able to read him to a negligible failure rate off as few of 2-3 posts, and MewtwoHidden will confirm that. My reason for not wanting to lynch in it is because I am in it, yes. I admitted I am being bias, but there's no reason why I would ever want to lynch in the pool regardless of my alignment, because it is likely to end in my death, especially when this information is going nowhere and at the very least it keeps me and (probably) one other really good town player alive until we decide to cut it. If this isn't true then we force scum to actually help us solve and kill whoever is town in the group, note I don't actually think they will do that. Resolving the info now or later doesn't actually matter that much, because we know it is there, we can address a 3 way dog fight or w/e later in the game to the same benefit. I know one of them is scum or 3p, at least. But I will still know that in a few days time, and it is not like we are running out of lynches. So if I have the chance to save both myself, and another good player who has a solid chance of being town, by simply being patient and trying to scumhunt in apricity/nuxl over the time we are allocated, then I will do that. It is not bad play, it is not scummy play, it is the correct town play to not jump the gun on info just because we have that info.

Also it should actually is roughly 1 in 3, smogon games arent scumsided unless you think 10/3, 13/4, 7/2 are all scumsided, the most common 4 mafia game ratios which all follow the formula of 3 town to 1 mafia player +1 extra town.
 
shubaka17 said:
hey don't have time 4 a full response rn but zorbees was hinting at having more info than the common bear, without making it feel like a town PR, so he's my 3P bet, while between nuxl/dusk/apricity I chose nuxl and apricity based on them having participated
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Why did you jump to SK instead of scum here?
 
unlynch whoever I was on

lynch 1 hal
lynch 2 duskfall

Ok lads we got a 1/3 chance for this and neither of you are attempting to actually scumhunt or gamesolve, instead hal's trying to deflect attention off of you guys onto your accusers (see: hal's posts on zorbees) and dusko is kinda just setting up his next lynch for tmrw for when eli flips town (see: dusk post just before this one)
 
OM room said:
unlynch whoever I was on

lynch 1 hal
lynch 2 duskfall

Ok lads we got a 1/3 chance for this and neither of you are attempting to actually scumhunt or gamesolve, instead hal's trying to deflect attention off of you guys onto your accusers (see: hal's posts on zorbees) and dusko is kinda just setting up his next lynch for tmrw for when eli flips town (see: dusk post just before this one)
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How do you know eli is town?
 
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