Unpopular opinions

Never talked anything about stone evos, Leaf Stone is actually the earliest one in Crystal. I think someone else mentioned them tho.



Sludge Bomb is late, Poison STAB is actually worse than Grass because Tentacool resists it and that means the western segment is a nightmare, and to make things worse, look at all of their movepools until Sludge Bomb.

There's just a ton of powders and very few actual damage options. For all its flaws, Chikorita does get the best Grass STAB in GSC early. Reflect is also a very good move. Body Slam by level-up is also a pretty sweet move. And assuming you're not giving it to something better, it does have EQ as an option, which the likes of Vileplume doesn't, though it doesn't really move the needle because of how late it is.

Chikorita is not the best Grass mon in Johto because it's outstanding, but because the competition is abysmal.
Sludge Bomb isn't late, it's mid-game. you can get it immediately after beating Morty(which I honestly recommend because the lake of rage trainers and team rocket members are more aptly leveled with your pokemon at that point of the game vs if you went west first) and even then Bellsprout at the very least has access to Growth to make vine whip less shit, it'll probably learn Acid around Morty or just before fighting team rocket. Funnily if you pick Chikorita and it's male then you can just breed it with Oddish and get Vileplume with razor leaf and sludge bomb so that's lol

As for the tentacools and tentacruels, most of them are wild battles so uh? even then I'm not sure on exact calcs but I wouldn't be surprised if a victreebel or vileplume outdamaged with sludge bomb(which hit tenta's weaker physical defense nfe) over razor leaf hitting its strong spd neutrally. No major trainer uses poison types in Johto bar Morty and Bayleef can't do shit to Morty either so? Sleep Powder alone is way more valuable than reflect in-game because incapacitating your opponent for a few turns is way easier to capitalize, especially on mons like Miltank that just gets destroyed once you status them. The only edge Meganium has over vileplume and victreebell is simply access to earthquake and that's really not much when it isn't STAB and not coming off of a particularly good attack stat, it doesn't get hard walled by most of Koga at least? yay not walled by the easiest e4 member o3o

As a whole poison STAB is significantly less resisted than grass is in Johto so that alone gives vileplume and victree an edge over fights that Chikorita would have to rely on no-stab body slam to beat.
 
It's cute in all three stages, though. Not better than the Totodile line (which is also cute in all stages, but performs better in battle), but it is over Cyndaquil's.

Although, if the chance existed in, say, a hypothetical Let's GO for Johto, I'd use both Chikorita AND Totodile, but not Cyndaquil.
Chcikorita is cute but preforms horrible, Cyandaquill does ok but looks weird, and totodile is PERFECT.
 
I feel like I might've brought this up somewhere in this subforum already but I'll take my chances

Can someone please explain to where all these rabid hordes of genwunners are? I've been in the core Pokefandom in some form for what, 4-5 years? Been playing the series and watching videos about it for much longer than that? And throughout that time I have literally maybe seen an amount of genwunners/unironic genwunner posts countable on two hands, with every instance of this resulting in OP being clowned on. And yet to this day people talk about them like they're utterly ubiquitous and have infested the online Pokemon space. It's by far the most bizarre, misaligned-with-reality bogeyman I have ever seen in any fanbase and I want to know just what exactly these people who propagate it are seeing that I'm not to keep hyping it up after all this time.
This reminds me of Melee Elitists
Outside Twitch, which is cancer for any smash game, I haven't really seen any. It's more ironic when you realize most of the top Melee players also played in tournaments for later games too
 
Also Cyndaquil gets access to a lot more TMs like Thunderpunch and Headbutt(even Dig to beat morty and mud slap to shit on Miltank) that gives it a really good standing against most mons(also being able to grind in the bug catching contest is always great for any mon that hits bugs super effectively, pinsirs scythers butterfrees and beedrills give a lot of exp), plus the early quilava evolution helps counter the weakness of ember until around ecruteak which is largely when you stop fighting an excessive amount of mons that's weak to fire
 
all these arguments of the best grass option in johto, but consider: sunflora is cute :)
and you just need to get a sun stone from the bug catching contest and then breed it in order to get a move(which is just razor leaf lol) better than mega drain and hope you can 2hko everything without them revenge killing you cause you move about as fast as you'd expect a sunflower to move :psycry:

sunkern is very cute tho yea ;w;
 
Also Cyndaquil gets access to a lot more TMs like Thunderpunch and Headbutt(even Dig to beat morty!!) that gives it a really good standing against most mons(also being able to grind in the bug catching contest is always great for any mon that hits bugs super effectively, pinsirs scythers butterfrees and beedrills give a lot of exp), plus the early quilava evolution helps counter the weakness of ember until around ecruteak which is largely when you stop fighting an excessive amount of mons that's weak to fire
good point, his Tm moves let him wreck with good stats and a early and fire is good against alot of stuff, but I like REALLy early evolutions and my man totdile has all of them. All in all, chickorita is kinda yucky.

and you just need to get a sun stone from the bug catching contest and then breed it in order to get a move(which is just razor leaf lol) better than mega drain and hope you can 2hko everything without them revenge killing you cause you move about as fast as you'd expect a sunflower to move :psycry:

sunkern is very cute tho yea ;w;
give him a smooch on the head
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Here's less an unpopular opinion, more an observation
No one seems to like Cyndaquil line at rest
And I mean, deflamed

No one realizes the "edit" to XYs model was a POSE change as well as adding fire

The issue is mainly pose, like literally 90% of other mons, not whether he's in flame
And he's technically a quadruped too. Show that in his physical attacks, like say, the Anime and Stadium
Both also don't rely only his flame gimmick, and I feel far too many fans were only into it DUE to the gimmick
 
good point, his Tm moves let him wreck with good stats and a early and fire is good against alot of stuff, but I like REALLy early evolutions and my man totdile has all of them. All in all, chickorita is kinda yucky.
Yea Totodile is pretty solid, my only real complaint is there are -a lot- of good water types in Johto that are about as good as feraligator like Staryu, Mantine, Tentacruel, Lapras, and Quagsire.

Vs fire type competition really just being like...Growlithe(which also has the issue of being stuck with Ember and has way worse TM coverage) if you're playing Crystal, and Magmar if you're playing GS(or if you get magby via odd egg) Unfortunately Crystal players don't get Vulpix because being able to get Vulpix's like level 26 or smth flamethrower + a fire stone(it's post-game only in silver) would be great
 
Also Cyndaquil gets access to a lot more TMs like Thunderpunch and Headbutt(even Dig to beat morty!!) that gives it a really good standing against most mons(also being able to grind in the bug catching contest is always great for any mon that hits bugs super effectively, pinsirs scythers butterfrees and beedrills give a lot of exp), plus the early quilava evolution helps counter the weakness of ember until around ecruteak which is largely when you stop fighting an excessive amount of mons that's weak to fire

Typhlosion gets Thunderpunch. Huge difference. Bayleef also gets Headbutt.

As for Dig, I'll say the same thing I say to people that stan RBY Charmander.

When I pick a Fire-type Starter, I wanna play a Fire-type. I don't want Dig as my best option or a necessity, I can catch Sandshrew and get STAB on that. Don't gimme that nonsense of Ember until Lv. 31 when the likes of Flaaffy are going to be better Fire-types than the actual Fire-type.
 
Yea Totodile is pretty solid, my only real complaint is there are -a lot- of good water types in Johto that are about as good as feraligator like Staryu, Mantine, Tentacruel, Lapras, and Quagsire.

Vs fire type competition really just being like...Growlithe if you're playing Crystal, and Magmar if you're playing GS(or if you get magby via odd egg) Unfortunately Crystal players don't get Vulpix because being able to get Vulpix's like level 26 or smth flamethrower + a fire stone(it's post-game only in silver) would be great
Vaild argument, But I think alot of other guys can learn fire moves (?) so I don't know really.
 
I feel like I might've brought this up somewhere in this subforum already but I'll take my chances

Can someone please explain to where all these rabid hordes of genwunners are? I've been in the core Pokefandom in some form for what, 4-5 years? Been playing the series and watching videos about it for much longer than that? And throughout that time I have literally maybe seen an amount of genwunners/unironic genwunner posts countable on two hands, with every instance of this resulting in OP being clowned on. And yet to this day people talk about them like they're utterly ubiquitous and have infested the online Pokemon space. It's by far the most bizarre, misaligned-with-reality bogeyman I have ever seen in any fanbase and I want to know just what exactly these people who propagate it are seeing that I'm not to keep hyping it up after all this time.
FR I don't think "genwunners" ever even existed outside of the most casual of the casual playerbase. Actually, I feel like the term is just used inorrectly because I've been called a "genwunner" multiple times just for my relatively mild Gen 1 takes.
 
FR I don't think "genwunners" ever even existed outside of the most casual of the casual playerbase. Actually, I feel like the term is just used inorrectly because I've been called a "genwunner" multiple times just for my relatively mild Gen 1 takes.
A lot of toxic people come and splart that you're a "genwunner" and "grow up" when you even critisize any new game, trust me, it's like calling someone a Karen when you mildly have different thoughts, and Good thing there isn't many of those people here.
 
Typhlosion is literally just budget Charizard. imo it should have received more choices that went with its 'volcanic' gimmick, give it access to Earth Power, give it acess to Scald like Emboar and Centiskorch; maybe even Explosion, that would've make it very interesting to use before the nerf. But instead it feels like a standard Fire mon with little to distinguish itself.

As I said before, free Dynabear.
 
It's... kind of the same problem Snivy has in BW, although it gets some breathing room due to resists not being so stacked through the game, and once it gets Coil, it can actually solo many more opponents than one would think in the second half of the game.

It's not that it can't work, but a one-click win is more popular.
Snivy is SO underrated in the original BW. Let me write a novel about why Snivy is actually the best starter.

Its stats are very unconventional (I prefer unique, but that's just me), which most people consider a flaw. It might be very fast, but 75/75 offenses are kind of bad, even for in-game. It does have good bulk, with most of that bulk coming from its defenses rather than its HP. This is great actually, because it's the perfect bulk distribution for abusing leech seed. On its own, these stats aren't that impressive, but they work amazingly well with its movepool to form a unique game plan like few other starters have.

Its movepool is pretty shallow, but the options that it does have are really good. It gets growth early, which allows it to sweep plenty of early fights. It later upgrades to coil, which allows it set up on most physical opponents. It gets leech seed, which assists this setup. Its STAB-options are good as well, with leaf tornado being a strong move for how early you get it, and leaf blade is about as good a STAB move as you could ask for. Now, its coverage consists of... return. I mean, it's not great, but it actually has great neutral coverage together with leaf blade at least. It also gets some more situational moves like screens or substitute that can also assist in setup.

So what's the result? Snivy actually has the most impressive gym and rival matchups of the gen 5 starters. It can sweep Chilli and Lenora with growth, though Lenora isn't consistent. It naturally has a good matchup against Clay thanks to its typing. It can set up coil and sweep Skyla and Brycen, despite the type disadvantage. It can solo Drayden with coil if you deposit the rest of your team, which makes it so you can't be phased out by dragon tail. Serperior also has by far the best late game compared to the other starters. It can set up on both Grimsley and Marshal with the defense boost of coil. It's naturally good against Shauntal's Jellicent and Golurk, and it's also mildly useful as a support Pokemon against Caitlin with leech seed and light screen. Meanwhile, Sammurott is basically completely neutral at the E4, and Emboar is completely shit.

The most impressive thing though, is its matchup against N (in Black at least). It completely walls ZEKROM of all things, so you can set up and sweep N. What other starter sweeps a character who is effectively the champion without extreme item support? It's insane.

I also think Serperior has one of the best designs out there. It is so different from any other Pokemon, which makes it really stand out. Its unique appearance fits its unique statline very well.

So in summary, Serperior's good bulk and access to useful support moves allow it to set up growth or coil to offset its rather low attack stat. Once fully set up, it can use its natural speed to sweep through the opponents team. This unique playstyle lets it sweep some really difficult fights, including the champion. Maybe it's just me, but soloing major matchups is extremely valuable to me, more than enough to make up for its lackluster route clearing abilities. Snivy might not be the most effecient Pokemon, in terms of how fast it can defeat most opponents, but it's better than the other starters in terms of effectiveness.
 
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Unpopular opinion: It isn't Samurott that's flawed in design, it's Dewott
Dewott changes so little outside color, no wonder 3rd stage looked very different
Honestly, Dewott is kind of the bad link because it isn't like croconaw weird, but it really is just not fitting with the rest of the line. Oshawatt is cute and a klutz, Saumoratt is a big strong samauri, but dewott as a mid-stage tries to be a incredibly feirce guy that isn't really good looking, he just ooks off in his designs.

Hey, we Emboar defeners don't take kindly to insults! There us dozens of us, DOZENS!!!
I COUNTED WITH MY FINGERS, AND THERE WAS 0 AT LEAST!

edit; you don't get my smortinessinessinessinator-300 x 999 + yes is bigger!
 
swords dance is post-game in BW. You're definitely not getting to level 57 for natural swords dance before fighting the E3 lol
still doesn't compete with megahorn/scald/razorshell/revenge even unboosted since a majority of the game resists grass lol, as I've mentioned before Serp can struggle 2hkoing things even with 2 coil buffs and if you have to set up 4-6 buffs just to ohko a mon then you're not better than 2 mons that can 2hko most things unboosted
*Laughs in ugly pig starter that no-one likes but it's the best starter in for the game with flare blitz and like some random mega powerful fighting type move or whatever*
Literally my favorite starter line ;_;
but yea it gets flare blitz at 62 anyways lol, Emboar is a good starter but it really kinda sucks early-mid game because its best move is arm thrust and flame charge until it gets heat crash at 31 and then hammer arm until flamethrower at 43 and emboar honestly doesn't do the mixed attacker thing as well as Samurott does
 
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