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The Counter Game

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Heatran has already been countered, so don't counter it again, also, qwilfish isn't a proper counter, as it could be OHKO'd by dragon pulse (assuming that heatran has some EVs invested in spatk, which it would have)

Destiny bond and explosion aren't counted as counters I think, since they both involve both pokemon fainting.
(And for those who went on to counter the dugtrio and continued on that line, if a pokemon isn't a proper counter, as someone pointed out, duggy can't switch in on the waterfall, then you counter the origional poke, not the failed counter, but this is a moot point anyway since qwilfish shouldn't have been countering heatran in the first place)

Anyway, @ Darkrai6785's infernape (the poke that should have been countered)

Cresselia @ Leftovers
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spdef
~psychic
~thunder wave
~HP fighting
~Moonlight

Comes in, moonlights off the damage, flare blitz will kill you from recoil, you won't do more then 45% to me, so I stay alive. U-turn only does around 35% so I can T-wave you and psychic you to death while staying alive
 
Shiney said:
Heatran has already been countered, so don't counter it again, also, qwilfish isn't a proper counter, as it could be OHKO'd by dragon pulse (assuming that heatran has some EVs invested in spatk, which it would have)

Destiny bond and explosion aren't counted as counters I think, since they both involve both pokemon fainting.
(And for those who went on to counter the dugtrio and continued on that line, if a pokemon isn't a proper counter, as someone pointed out, duggy can't switch in on the waterfall, then you counter the origional poke, not the failed counter, but this is a moot point anyway since qwilfish shouldn't have been countering heatran in the first place)

Anyway, @ Darkrai6785's infernape (the poke that should have been countered)

Cresselia @ Leftovers
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spdef
~psychic
~thunder wave
~HP fighting
~Moonlight

Comes in, moonlights off the damage, flare blitz will kill you from recoil, you won't do more then 45% to me, so I stay alive. U-turn only does around 35% so I can T-wave you and psychic you to death while staying alive
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Spiritomb@ Leftovers
Calm 252 Sp.Attack/ 252 HP
- Shadow Ball
- HP Fighting
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
 
@Bad tomb set:
The sweeper togekiss I use:

Togekiss @ Salac Berry
Timid, 252spatk, 252speed, 4hp
Subsitute
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Nasty Plot

HP fighting coming off tomb deals crap damage (wouldn't even break subs I think). Shadow ball bounces off it. It gets setup time which is always bad news for the rest of your team.

@Cress: It can't moonlight off the damage that well if there's a sandstorm raging. It's still a counter though.
 
To Togekiss:

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Modest@ 252/0/0/128/100/32
Thunderbolt
HP Ice
Roost
Light Screen

Zapdos is resistant to both Aura Sphere and Air Slash, and can set up Light Screen to pad against said attacks. Zapdos can then proceed to kill Togekiss with Thunderbolt.
 
Shiney said:
Heatran has already been countered, so don't counter it again, also, qwilfish isn't a proper counter, as it could be OHKO'd by dragon pulse (assuming that heatran has some EVs invested in spatk, which it would have)

Destiny bond and explosion aren't counted as counters I think, since they both involve both pokemon fainting.
(And for those who went on to counter the dugtrio and continued on that line, if a pokemon isn't a proper counter, as someone pointed out, duggy can't switch in on the waterfall, then you counter the origional poke, not the failed counter, but this is a moot point anyway since qwilfish shouldn't have been countering heatran in the first place)

Anyway, @ Darkrai6785's infernape (the poke that should have been countered)

Cresselia @ Leftovers
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spdef
~psychic
~thunder wave
~HP fighting
~Moonlight

Comes in, moonlights off the damage, flare blitz will kill you from recoil, you won't do more then 45% to me, so I stay alive. U-turn only does around 35% so I can T-wave you and psychic you to death while staying alive
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It WAS countered, the Qwilfish was a Infernape counter, he was mainly asking what pokemon Heatran was countering.

Anyways,

@Zapdos


Swampert @ Choice Band
Torrent
Brave
252 SpDef/252 Atk/4 Hp
Stone Edge
Hydro Pump
Earthquake
Avalanche
 
Torterra@ Leftovers
Impish
252 hp, 200 def, 52 atk

Wood Hammer
Curse
EQ
Leech Seed

Switches in on anything but Avalance, OHKO's with Wood Hammer
 
A few things... if torterra can't switch in on avalanche then it isn't a counter.

I thought the qwilfish was countering heatran, since the heatran set was quoted and the poster didn't say differently, apologies for getting that wrong.

Also, at whoever said cress can't moonlight off damage in a sandstorm, infernape doesn't create a sandstorm upon entry, nor did it have the move sandstorm, so where did you come up with the idea of a sandstorm? Unless there is a weather effect on the poke, or it has a weather move, then the weather is normal.

@ swampert


Shaymin with choice specs
Bold
~seed flare
~psychic
~HP fighting
~return

Comes in on anything and OHKO's with seed flare
 
It said Ice Beam Before. Anyway,

Raikou@Leftovers
Timid
252 speed/ 154 special defense/ 106 special attack

Thunderbolt
Calm Mind
Hidden Power Grass
Substitute
 
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