Survivor (Big) Survivor: Starhome

[Duskfall98]

But it’s not true. He wants to win. He’s just very okay with losing to any of us.

This isn't true. I won't be toxic if I lose of course, but I do believe that the only two people who I could lose to and not feel robbed would have been torin or clouds.

 

[RyoDio]

Y

We literally had a straw poll in our chat because no one had strong feelings over this vote. This was the most public and clouds saved himself with his idol threat, everyone wanted mat by the end.

I am sure you leaked to clouds, among with others leaking but your play here started and finished with allowing clouds to save himself, as one of multiple people leaking a chat. We fell back on the other vote we were so on a coinflip about that we made a literal strawpoll since no one was too pushed either way.

This is anyways not comparable. You leaked a 50/50 vote that everyone was happy with either, were one of a number of people to do so, and ended up on a vote that both myself and ryo were completely happy with. As was everyone on separatist.

Comparing this to me taking out a player who was in both your ideals f4s is obviously a massive reach, even if you pretend you were fine with totters going your vote placement says otherwise. I am right now looking at two set of logs, one saying you want torin gone over totters and the other talking about him being in your ideal f4. You can lie but your vote placement can not.

I agree with your response to Eli (I had one myself) but you’re putting too much weight on totter going out tbh. F9 wasn’t “Tommy operating under everyone’s noses”, I love totter and think I definitely could have worked with him had he remained in the game, but I was still fully aware he was playing a different game than me and that him going tbh wasn’t even detrimental to my game I just like the guy.

You seem to be the only one heavily oriented towards “f4s” and “f4 pacts”, the only two people I made a pact to go to the end with (you and TBZ) I brought to the end as well. I can’t speak for Eli but I myself wasn’t banking on a totter f4, you didn’t even get any backlash from me

 

[Nuxl]

We literally had a straw poll in our chat because no one had strong feelings over this vote. This was the most public and clouds saved himself with his idol threat, everyone wanted mat by the end.

I am sure you leaked to clouds, among with others leaking but your play here started and finished with allowing clouds to save himself, as one of multiple people leaking a chat. We fell back on the other vote we were so on a coinflip about that we made a literal strawpoll since no one was too pushed either way.

This is anyways not comparable. You leaked a 50/50 vote that everyone was happy with either, were one of a number of people to do so, and ended up on a vote that both myself and ryo were completely happy with. As was everyone on separatist.

Comparing this to me taking out a player who was in both your ideals f4s is obviously a massive reach, even if you pretend you were fine with totters going your vote placement says otherwise. I am right now looking at two set of logs, one saying you want torin gone over totters and the other talking about him being in your ideal f4. You can lie but your vote placement can not.

I think if u can spin something like 15 as “this was my proactive vote!!” then I can certainly say that yes instilling fear that clouds shouldn’t go and allowing him to take measures to save himself while also not being in the area to get my hands dirty by not even being needed to vote into a sep is a pretty subtle way of getting what I want without being exposed for a few cycles - and besides people wanted to push forward on clouds regardless - if you claim that “oh this doesn’t matter lol” it’s kind of a disparity between what u claim ur game is and what the merge was actually set up to be (pagonging path of least resistance)

i wanted torin gone over totter not extraordinarily so but i don’t think that at the point of 9 (because I also tried to talk to clouds and say I had maj on Torin, which would give him the agency to do what he wanted w his idol, so that is what i feel like isn’t entirely yours) - or rather the 10 minutes before the end of the day where i was all numbed out that my game is suddenly tanked from it or w/e that it suddenly became incidental

(and when i was talking to you about my ideal ftc it was in perfect world that doesn’t happen when people recognize how big of a threat i am LOL so obv i was aware that he had to go as multiple people didn’t want me sitting here anyway, and despite whatever ur claim is i feel like it also would’ve been better for a lot of people if totter was at the end and people wanted to take u to begin w)

 

[Duskfall98]

I have no idea where you think pisx was my ally. Are you assuming it’s because we know each other out of game or something? Because while I didn’t feel the greatest about voting out Pisx bc of the former I don’t think it was like, less of an ideal vote for me LOL which is why I wasn’t going to flip to begin with

multiple jurors asked me questions if I was trying because i played so well and also was incredibly busy with school/work, this is kind of a deceptive way to turn my game, where i legitimately was trying but some days i couldn’t invoke as much effort into “lazy bitch u did nothing lol”

at the point of merge/a few votes in i set up roads where i was legitimately being attempted to be included in loyalist votes or countermeasures at the time, 15/11 for a key eyeball which allowed me as the person with the most incentive to pick either way, bc they kept running back to me w info as someone who had the most direct option in the middle. it’s different from “anyone can flip at any time” bc i was the reach out

It was when you said it was a vote you weren't happy with in your final tribal speech. You stuck with it because it was who was decided for you.

 

[Nuxl]

Your call - but you say we both wanted to do it as a contradiction. You just spent the last forever talking and bragging about how you were the flip. But this vote literally invalidates everything in that. When you needed a vote pushed through and the one thing youre bragging about in your game, I was literally the flip. You wanted a vote, cool, lots of other people wanted a s16 gone for ages. This is not news. But considering your whole argument from f15-f11 was you were the flip and decided to backseat until the time was right, I find it interesting when you thought the time was finally right, I was the flip.

You only had the power to flip when there was a strong majority and minority, beyond that your power was gone and when the game broke down into separate dynamics and wasnt pangong, in the moments when no literally any separatist could be the flip, I was the one person who always remained the flip. So you can decide yourself whether being the flip early for the minority is your big brag, despite it being a spot everyone occupied. But when you actually wanted to use your position as a flip, you were not a flip. I held the power, I decided when it happened and you did no more than talk with clouds, who was also in minority about his wet dream of taking a s16. I told you to make the chat because I didn't want to attract the initial blame, but the flip was always me and the final call was always me.

Your argument is just full of hypocrasy, you brag about being a flip early game when it didn't matter and how it was best to backseat, then when you lose your power through bad reactive play, you claim my power didn't matter because I didn't make plays. You can't really have it both way, being the flip is either a position of power and control or it is not. So which is it?

But you weren’t the flip, you wanted this to happen yeah? And clouds over u could’ve been on any point of zoa. F11 was literally contingent on getting a non sep that wouldn’t vote Vooper (so not even u or psy) until he quit, so I’d argue that you weren’t approached to begin with. These aren’t really statures you can claim because everyone on the revote could’ve flipped - you just went with it, got weak on the revote so I had to push you to do it, and now are tailing it as “yes I’m the flip LOL ur such a hypocrite!!” this is different because it indicates a change in mindset that someone else had to force you through, whereas when I was approached earlier in the game it was because they felt their best chance was through me and I had opportunities to choose what made sense for my game - you were pitched on a revote and felt too bad which is why you wavered

I didn’t lose my power through - literally at 9 people still wanted to vote with me regardless (whether that is clouds you torin Ryo or the other Zach/totter/Psy group [and we know tbz knew about everything]) and I highly doubt that I would’ve been taken out at that point had I lost immunity based on who was being pressured at that point. This wasn’t something I suddenly collapsed into after 10 or w/e so ya

 

[Nuxl]

No totters was my ideal lol, but pop off kingie.

The idol flush being a group effort is ridiculous thing to say considering I was the one who was speaking to torin solo about it, and before this the vote was maj on torin and torin and clouds were aware of this. Just saying something is a group effort as a hand wave with absolutely nothing supporting it is a bit silly, no?

I also told clouds that I was voting Torin so he understood where the votes were, TBZ likely was okay with it because he was in VC with you/ryo and I wouldn’t be surprised if he did - I don’t think this is something u can account for at the end. Clouds had the idol anyway so there were multiple people on him telling him Torin was effectively going so ya idgi

 

[Duskfall98]

RIP Urshifu

tbh Ryo and Tommy individually told me that they felt i was the front runner after F5 ended and that the jury was more likely to vote for me, which is also probably why you feel their frustration and effort in this final tribal to overcome their perceived hill (i didn’t really have thoughts other than votes that i thought i might’ve gotten)

but also they were also extremely close in the game and need to separate themselves to me but also each other in some way, which is also why they claim they were 100% solely responsible for their votes by trying to get credit over the other, and also try to posit the fact that “omg you know eli didn’t do all that much” LOL

despite what either of them say at this FTC i really have done well to deserve my status as a threat and they had the tools to eliminate me but either decided to not do it entirely or otherwise thought they could get away with it later

so i really don’t blame them for taking this route because they feel like it’s their best chance of getting votes

This is, as far as I can tell completely fabricated. Most of your posts I feel you have been trying to inflate your game and power. But I don't even really understand the event you are trying to twist here. Maybe you spoke to ryo about this? Yes ryo wanted you out but certainly I did not ever think this.

Actually, our discussion at f5 literally consisted of you telling me how big a jury threat ryo was, and you felt like he stomps due to free s16 votes. In response I told you I played the best game in my opinion, and I felt that I could win over s16 votes with my jury speech. I felt like I could win in the f4. There wasn't even really mention of you beating me, in fact you told me how you were willing to lose to any of me/tbz/zach but not to ryo because you didn't know or work with him. You were super tryharding to get ryo out at this point and overinflating his threat on ftc.

Though I think, given jurys reaction to the speeches, and how he has clearly argued in my favour, shows how good my decisions were and how dominant my game was. I did not just find a way to give myself an argument in ftc to win, I brought along ryo who is also supporting me! You played bad, you made no proactive plays and you were lucky I picked you as the guy who "survives" votes because each of the others had stronger games. Ryo knows all this and he certainly knows both our games the best, the fact he thinks you don't deserve to win is for one huge reason - you don't deserve to win.

 

[Nuxl]

Well you tried to talk me out of voting clouds at f7 and wanted me to save him for f6 because you didn't like your position with clouds gone, and wanted his vote to help you longer. So I think it is pretty fair to say you would not have been voting him or splitting on him if he had an idol!

I didn’t try to do it that much bc I understood Clouds was going anyway + felt that I could get another vote my way regardless with TBZ still really wanting Torin out of the game, which did happen

Despite that I think splitting is still a play everyone would’ve made bc it did make sense and people were worried about him comping out - like TBZ still had his advantage which I’m sure would’ve been played in that in mind (or at the very least i probs would’ve incentivized it)

 

[RyoDio]

When u read the following post by ryo please recognize that he is arguing that Tommy had my game, and is trying to accredit moves that are made by both of them. he is defending Tommy and himself with this post which makes sense in context with their intended FTC goals (ryo doesn’t want me to win but he wants Tommy to win)

Ryo states things like “Tommy left you out cold, Tommy left you out to dry, and Tommy carried your game.” This doesn’t sound like an argument for me that he cares about his own game more LOL

Just quick responses cuz I’m not too interested in a screaming match

- @ Dyo throw literally everyone wanted Dyo out and it was something that was universally discussed, i also literally went to everyone and asked them to compare notes to show my initiative to get Dyo out too and was super down to throw as well LOL wdym this was something that basically everyone discussed and it wasn’t a revelational move

Separatists sticking together is something that makes sense with tribal lines at merge and is entirely independent in context and isn’t something u can attribute to 3 people LOL that’s just how early merge works especially when people need to find paths to the end and don’t want to blow up so early right

In addition most separatists were basically semi close anyway between each other so I don’t get the point because nobody would’ve immediately flipped on a tribe that they were on for like 2 weeks LMAO what are u on

I’m still confused on what you mean about “Tommy left me out to dry” because… this isn’t even true? Even if u want to make it in context of F12, Clouds would’ve voted Zoa, and so it would’ve worked if you exchanged Tommy for Clouds too, and also literally every separatist INDEPENDENT of Tommy thought I was voting with them so I’m confused

And wrt “i desperately wanted Ryo out!!” at lategame - tbz and Tommy had already enlisted to taking him at the end earlier in the game to me and I just wanted to see if tbz/Tommy would consider it lmao. I assumed it would be a hard call for me to make FTC regardless based on everyone who wanted me out, so I was certain I figured that if I made the end it was through multiple people gifting me a few more rounds than I deserved through pitches and making sure the endgame progressed in my favor by making others think that they could let me go an extra round

Also ftr if Ryo claims Tommy babied me in votes where does that leave his involvement LOL, because other people also wanted to keep me at both 8/6 so I’m really confused on why this is intrinsically just Tommy’s issue according to Ryo

finally someone please tell me how Ryo’s “axshualy I wanted Eli at the end cuz his game SUCKED” argument makes sense from context of this game where he, in game, and did not want me sitting at FTC, and also had multiple people willing to take to FTC because they didn’t think he had the strongest game there or otherwise had multiple people willing to vote in front of him regardless, which kind of begets the question because I know for a fact at 5 I would have gone if I lost immunity bc of my game at that point

Eli: “Nobody would flip on a tribe they were on for two weeks what r you on”

Also eli: tries to act like *not flipping despite being given the opportunity* is a big play lmao

Separatist certainly did have a core and keeping people together would have been even more difficult if not for big voices. Brandon wasn’t voted out because he was a random separatist number people spun the wheel on. And if you claim it’s because he didn’t connect to loyalist people then you’re deserving of some words lmao.

My goal in this FTC is for me to win and me to win solely, however if I lose I’d like to lose to the person I feel is most deserving after me and thats Tommy.

I agree there’s no point in a screaming match and I’ve already illustrated how you were the touchable vs the untouchable.

I think it’s dumb to try and claim my motivations for f8 and f6 were changed due to where I’m at now because it really was my decision whether you lived or died and I decided you’d live because I knew I played better than you.

You would’ve been voted out at f5 not because of the extraordinary game you played(that would be torin) but because you had enough friends on the jury to be a threat at ftc. Part of why I wanted you out at f5 is because I knew you’d have a chance to win and would hate to see it over anyone else here.

When you’re the challenge beast and all other 3 finalists place your game 4th out of the bunch it’s very telling, and I promise it isn’t the “F3 trying to defeat the big bad Eli”

There were many opportunities to take you out, from my POV I made emotionally difficult decisions to KEEP you ALIVE up to f5 because you didn’t play that well.

Ofc from your position you’re gonna play the “I was a massive threat card” but just like you claimed up until this point; you slept through the game and your social with Tommy wasn’t even in bigvivor so ‍

 

[Duskfall98]

also this is totally unrelated and i find it super funny but i can’t believe like the other two finalists are like “eli is such a good player and is the absolute GOAT he just sucked compared to everyone else here” like PLS wtf like thank you two faced compliments like those made my day

Also you know the difference. As zach told me at f6; he felt like he is one of smorgons highest rep players, but he felt like a goat himself. It is completely possible and you clearly know that a good player doesn't equal a good game.

 

[Duskfall98]

But you weren’t the flip, you wanted this to happen yeah? And clouds over u could’ve been on any point of zoa. F11 was literally contingent on getting a non sep that wouldn’t vote Vooper (so not even u or psy) until he quit, so I’d argue that you weren’t approached to begin with. These aren’t really statures you can claim because everyone on the revote could’ve flipped - you just went with it, got weak on the revote so I had to push you to do it, and now are tailing it as “yes I’m the flip LOL ur such a hypocrite!!” this is different because it indicates a change in mindset that someone else had to force you through, whereas when I was approached earlier in the game it was because they felt their best chance was through me and I had opportunities to choose what made sense for my game - you were pitched on a revote and felt too bad which is why you wavered

I didn’t lose my power through - literally at 9 people still wanted to vote with me regardless (whether that is clouds you torin Ryo or the other Zach/totter/Psy group [and we know tbz knew about everything]) and I highly doubt that I would’ve been taken out at that point had I lost immunity based on who was being pressured at that point. This wasn’t something I suddenly collapsed into after 10 or w/e so ya

I was obviously the flip, the whole game, including clouds, was waiting on my call to stick with or not after the tie. Clouds literally told me it was my pick and he would go either way, he was unwilling for rocks. It was so abundantly clear to the entire game at this point that I was the flip, to the point where you even already spoke about me considering both options being a weakness in my game.

 

[Nuxl]

I was definitely most safe player this game late merge - I doubt anyone even on jury would dispute this. I will say I do have a problem making hard decisions (this is called empathy btw). That is not to say I didn't make them and I made the cuts I felt I needed to. I took the f4 I felt I could beat easiest, and had the strongest argument against. Weakness is not the existence of emotions, especially if you don't let them control your judgement. I just felt bad for people who I was cutting. Really disagree that showing morality and finding it sad to betray friends is a bad thing.

Please don’t attack my character and make u think I’m calling u a psychopath though LOL

I think you were safe but that’s because the status of late merge inherently involves taking out threats at the time. You weren’t visibly seen as one through ur lack of direct initiative and roots throughout the early merge. With this mindset, and the fact that others wanted to take u there regardless because they believed you were just playing for a group win. This led you to gain options - because obviously what could someone like Clouds or Torin do if they were also seen in an auto win position like I was!

I don’t think u took the F4 you felt was your best chance to because again like ur saying you kept saying that everyone in this FTC would be someone happy you’d lose to and you felt too loyal

This is exacerbated by the fact that you would tell me things such as “eli if you vote me I will be very angry out of game even though this is a boundary and I don’t want to regret it”. I feel like you used our friendship in cases like these throughout the game, which I don’t mind because I’m your friend, but I just think that’s a driving force and not because you felt like this was your best shot - and despite that separating yourself by eliminating me likely means you get votes that I might. You just never considered it.

I just think this FTC has more personal reasons for u than what I feel is optimal especially because you could’ve cut someone like your perceived shield before then but you decided not to, and you argue that it’s optimal but some people throughout this FTC have argued otherwise and you might’ve had an easier argument without me here

 

[Duskfall98]

I also told clouds that I was voting Torin so he understood where the votes were, TBZ likely was okay with it because he was in VC with you/ryo and I wouldn’t be surprised if he did - I don’t think this is something u can account for at the end. Clouds had the idol anyway so there were multiple people on him telling him Torin was effectively going so ya idgi

If you actually told clouds and believed that the votes were on torin at the end, then it just says that you didn't actually understand where the votes were because the votes were on totters right up to the end. Not your fault tbf, I hadn't told you this time, I was too busy at the deadline to inform you what was happening, my bad.

 

[RyoDio]

Smh imagine arguing over who the flip is and not just choosing someone , submitting a parchment and saying goodbye

 

[Nuxl]

I was obviously the flip, the whole game, including clouds, was waiting on my call to stick with or not after the tie. Clouds literally told me it was my pick and he would go either way, he was unwilling for rocks. It was so abundantly clear to the entire game at this point that I was the flip, to the point where you even already spoke about me considering both options being a weakness in my game.

clouds was unwilling to go to rocks, which yes, but i think despite that your flip would’ve led you to burn people you were voting with and change the direct course of the game in a way that would be negative to you, whereas when I flipped or had the opportunity to i maintained relationships throughout the game - i don’t think this is something that is a merit because the situations behind “I could’ve flipped” were entirely different

 

[RyoDio]

If you actually told clouds and believed that the votes were on torin at the end, then it just says that you didn't actually understand where the votes were because the votes were on totters right up to the end. Not your fault tbf, I hadn't told you this time, I was too busy at the deadline to inform you what was happening, my bad.

Wdym didn’t you see Eli’s big play in bold?? He had **information** something neither of us had wym

 

[Duskfall98]

I didn’t try to do it that much bc I understood Clouds was going anyway + felt that I could get another vote my way regardless with TBZ still really wanting Torin out of the game, which did happen

Despite that I think splitting is still a play everyone would’ve made bc it did make sense and people were worried about him comping out - like TBZ still had his advantage which I’m sure would’ve been played in that in mind (or at the very least i probs would’ve incentivized it)

So you are saying you didn't want to vote clouds at f7 when he had no idol, but agreed to without much fight because that was the call? I agree, you had no control.

I am very confused how at f7, when clouds and torin were together and you were leaning towards voting with him, in a world where you could get anything, you would actually now vote to get him out? He had 3 votes on his side including you and torin - you only didn't vote with him because myself, ryo, tbz and zach were hard locked in, he was going anyways as you said.

There was no world in which you split votes to get clouds out at f7, putting yourself in a worse spot at f6 because you lose one of your only two allies left in the game. The idol being out of play was terrible for you, because clouds going was terrible for you, but something you couldn't stop.

 

[Nuxl]

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It was when you said it was a vote you weren't happy with in your final tribal speech. You stuck with it because it was who was decided for you.

i stuck with it because it made sense w/ available options not bc entirely if you (it was a conflict) and for my future status in the next few tribals it was important for that to remain!

 

[RyoDio]

Please don’t attack my character and make u think I’m calling u a psychopath though LOL

I think you were safe but that’s because the status of late merge inherently involves taking out threats at the time. You weren’t visibly seen as one through ur lack of direct initiative and roots throughout the early merge. With this mindset, and the fact that others wanted to take u there regardless because they believed you were just playing for a group win. This led you to gain options - because obviously what could someone like Clouds or Torin do if they were also seen in an auto win position like I was!

I don’t think u took the F4 you felt was your best chance to because again like ur saying you kept saying that everyone in this FTC would be someone happy you’d lose to and you felt too loyal

This is exacerbated by the fact that you would tell me things such as “eli if you vote me I will be very angry out of game even though this is a boundary and I don’t want to regret it”. I feel like you used our friendship in cases like these throughout the game, which I don’t mind because I’m your friend, but I just think that’s a driving force and not because you felt like this was your best shot - and despite that separating yourself by eliminating me likely means you get votes that I might. You just never considered it.

I just think this FTC has more personal reasons for u than what I feel is optimal especially because you could’ve cut someone like your perceived shield before then but you decided not to, and you argue that it’s optimal but some people throughout this FTC have argued otherwise and you might’ve had an easier argument without me here

Eli if it makes you feel better I wouldn’t have been angry if you voted me out of the game, of course I also wouldn’t have seen it coming

 

[Duskfall98]

Please don’t attack my character and make u think I’m calling u a psychopath though LOL

LOL well you did say me having doubts is a weakness. My doubts were born from empathy and feeling like a shithead, not from an optimal play perspective. We can bury this route though because I don't think you actually mean this either, I know you are trying to poke holes I am just defending myself from what you have said!

 

[Duskfall98]

This is exacerbated by the fact that you would tell me things such as “eli if you vote me I will be very angry out of game even though this is a boundary and I don’t want to regret it”. I feel like you used our friendship in cases like these throughout the game, which I don’t mind because I’m your friend, but I just think that’s a driving force and not because you felt like this was your best shot - and despite that separating yourself by eliminating me likely means you get votes that I might. You just never considered it.

I just think this FTC has more personal reasons for u than what I feel is optimal especially because you could’ve cut someone like your perceived shield before then but you decided not to, and you argue that it’s optimal but some people throughout this FTC have argued otherwise and you might’ve had an easier argument without me here

That quote was taken from when you were dead in the water after viper vote and very upset with me for cutting you off. I picked you back up because you made me feel bad oog for you, you were complaining about me to others after wronging me, and getting mad because I didn;t let you get away with whatever due to our pregame relationship. When you started leveraging it, I allowed you to continue in the game as a favour, you also at this point told me you would vote whoever I wanted for the coming few rounds so long as I picked you back up. You desperately needed my aid at this point, everyone in separatist knew you were leaking to viper and you were allied with some loyalists but obviously not their top priority. No one was going to stick their neck out for you and you thought that your game was sank. You had to hope for me to string you along and I did - but you became a goat in that instance and never stepped out from my shadow. I pretty much told you this would be our relationship going forward to.

 

[Duskfall98]

Also btw there is no one in this game that I wouldn't split votes with so all that talk is trivial to me, I don't really care for it. I could in some world of some match up of ftc earn any vote except pisx's imo, if you jump it around a bit. Sure I split votes with eli because we are pregame friends. You can say the same for tbz, heck you can say I split s16 votes with ryo if you want to go that far.

Eli and me are friends oog, of course we are, but vote splitting is not anything unique to my relationship with him.

 

[RyoDio]

Also btw there is no one in this game that I wouldn't split votes with so all that talk is trivial to me, I don't really care for it. I could in some world of some match up of ftc earn any vote except pisx's imo, if you jump it around a bit. Sure I split votes with eli because we are pregame friends. You can say the same for tbz, heck you can say I split s16 votes with ryo if you want to go that far.

Eli and me are friends oog, of course we are, but vote splitting is not anything unique to my relationship with him.

I feel so bad for you when you get 0 votes…

 

[Duskfall98]

clouds was unwilling to go to rocks, which yes, but i think despite that your flip would’ve led you to burn people you were voting with and change the direct course of the game in a way that would be negative to you, whereas when I flipped or had the opportunity to i maintained relationships throughout the game - i don’t think this is something that is a merit because the situations behind “I could’ve flipped” were entirely different

The other choice might have been bad, and I do believe I made the right one. That said you miss the point, you bragged about being the person with the flip power for all of early merge, but the person who ended up with the flip power was me.

 

[RyoDio]

Also btw there is no one in this game that I wouldn't split votes with so all that talk is trivial to me, I don't really care for it. I could in some world of some match up of ftc earn any vote except pisx's imo, if you jump it around a bit. Sure I split votes with eli because we are pregame friends. You can say the same for tbz, heck you can say I split s16 votes with ryo if you want to go that far.

Eli and me are friends oog, of course we are, but vote splitting is not anything unique to my relationship with him.

I assume this is because I have pisx’ vote btw