NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Clouds said:
Town
- Clouds: i have the best role in the game, not for its power level but for its... historical significance
- Psy: claimed negative night action occurrence, strong tonal indicators that they're a new town player as opposed to new scum
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This is a very confident town read in Psy. I can see it but I'm not that confident. Seems legit though. Your flavour claim isn't one I can do much with since I haven't read Bigvivor and don't plan to.

Clouds said:
Town Lean
- Celever: i've kinda started to cast doubts on this lately just from comments such as like "hope you're not pocketing me" etc. that feel almost like reverse psych and i'm the pocketed one, but cel has stated a handful of reads i've resonated with and shed light on role possibilities & other ideas that feel like they're generated from a town member as opposed to scum, and appear to have good intent on the surface
- DLE: a possible stretch because of his presence compared to the others here but posts give me "coasting town", doubt dle plays a scum game like this?
- realiti: don't see the reasoning behind a # of his reads but still think he's town based on the directed/purposeful yet careless attitude i would expect out of a realiti town game, the one thing i dislike is his "i would try harder as scum" comment because it feels like something he'd say as a scum defense even if true
- Spiderz: only concern is active defensiveness and abbreviated posts w/ stuff like "self pmeta" that could totally be scum spiderz' way of making accusations, but all other evidence points to a town spiderz and i feel like his reads have the right motivation behind them, quickly willing to dig up games where he played a certain way to serve as evidence, etc
- Whydon: likely town, doesn't lean into a dyo push and not explain reads for an entire day if he's scum probably, ^ shares some of the idgaf town attitude from above
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I don't get why people feel DLE is town, I can't really get much of a read on him at all. I suppose the reasoning is... reasonable... ish.
You have the same gut read on Whydon that I do, but I don't trust my gut read so I've still got him as null. I would like him to actually try to discern his serious posts from his non-serious posts, since right now I think none of them are serious. Whydon pinging you because I want you to see this.
Clouds said:
Neutral
- Drookez: still need to iso him & i'll do that in a sec after i finish this, but don't remember any post or series of posts with enough content for me to develop a read
- Dyo: at first i was more townlean on dyo and thought the reads were baseless but whydon's post re: dyo's posts being overly polished and my own belief that he might be skimming the surface and trying not to say anything incriminating, i can see scum dyo. still don't feel strongly enough to put him in scumlean and can see how his posts would be incorrectly skewed based on what others who know him would expect from his scum playstyle
- Haruno: initial scumread, now neutral because of their vt "mason-like" role claim. felt townish, unsure how often fakeclaims like that arise
- M2H: when i say i'm hesitant to make hasty reads this was one from earlier d1 (and persists d2 as well), i thought a lot of their posts seemed overeager followed by combativeness which felt like scum levels of volatility, granted i don't know them or how they'd approach a forum maf game, but i slight scumleaned m2h based on that at first. neutral now since looking back at d1 their townreads and explanations for them, such as the one on hal, make good sense. sure, anyone can townread hal there, but the reasoning felt genuine and potentially from a town perspective
- Nuxl: here because i won't undermine eli's ability to play a good scum game and i'm sure it's strong, but the majority of his posts (especially his most recent summary one) speak town/seem purposeful. only reason i don't townlean him is it feels like he'll sometimes pull on insignificant info ex. realiti's dyo sheep vote and i can see scum eli "caring" more about things like that than town eli who doesn't dig into it. townleaned prior to this cycle, still probably the closest of the neutrals to townlean but yeah
- Ryo: inconclusive/not enough to go off of here
- Shadowpea: overwhelmingly neutral, no strong feelings in any direction
- Texas: see ryo
- Vizh: certain posts have read like extended new player scum effort to me, but unlikely to be scum with caff and since i currently sus caff, vizh goes here. also some posts feel mafia-centric as in like, considered from a scum pov before a town pov. less defensive than when he plays mindnight as scum..
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Not much to say on the nulls. I feel like Nuxl is obvtown but that might just be because I (feel like I) know what to expect from town Nuxl.
I'll need to find Whydon's posts about Dyo, idr him elaborating on that read at all.
Whydon said:
dyo's posts are too calculated and polished, he gives nothing but then also acts like he wants to, he passively follows other reads and made enough posts to avoid being labeled as inactive but restrained himself just enough to avoid drawing attention or potentially saying something off. he is very clearly a mafia newbie blueprint, I'm not going to waste time affording to mislynch again so I'm parking my vote there and am not switching off, I cannot see how he wouldn't be scum
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I'll read this later, just quoting it so I know it exists. I haven't got the impression that Dyo's posts are polished though.
Clouds said:
Scum Lean
- CaffeineBoost: this shared sentiment amongst a few players that caff is mostly in the clear is confusing, their reads seem plausible but so many of their posts are related to things i would expect scum to be thinking about often, such as the suggest role and how it could feed into whatever iteration of a vigilante we have. i mentioned overeagerness when talking about m2h and i think it applies more to caff than them tbh. even smaller posts like #1,752 don't sit right w/ me. if we were to vote vizh and vizh flipped scum it'd be a near hard clear, or could dig our hole way deeper
- Dave: saw a mention of a positive toneread on him but ngl i felt nearly the opposite here, and while there isn't much that'd outright make you say "yeah, they're scum", there's a strong lack of content that'd imply they're town or acting in town's favor (my favorite poster so far in this thread on a non-game level though, except now rssp's made an abbreviated yet powerful appearance to rival this)
- US/Yeti: mostly tone-based here, at one point said they liked m2h's plays in a past night which would make me think m2h and us/yeti are less likely to both be scum, albeit a small thing
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I have things I want to say about the scum lean on me which I will withhold. I'll admit though I do love to talk. :psysly:
This is the 2nd mention of #1,752 which does make me wonder if scumchat is considering trying to get me on that post, but it means assuming two people are doing a co-ordinated push on that one post alone and that seems like a shit assumption to make. I've already talked about it. I think that vote was correct. You can take whatever you want from the tone but I was presenting myself in a shitposty manner.
I don't have a read on Dave, not reading into pairs for US and M2H but I will say I also scumlean US since I thought his day one was... kinda bad. Felt like he was parroting (shout out to ajhockeystar).
Clouds said:
Scum
- Ayia: gonna go out on a limb and say that ayia is just scum, jumps in to the thread to drop a couple reads that i completely disagree with (scumreads psy for example) and doesn't seem as directed as i'd expect a town ayia to be based on like, a few ps mafia observations. spiderz was quick to defend upon his scumread of him which makes me think there's no way they're both scum-aligned, but if one of the two is scum there's much more reason for me to believe it's ayia rn
- Laurel: i'm conflicted on this because like i would not be shocked if town laurel just didn't care about the game and was intentionally reading close to nothing/making random fluff posts – and i also argued against tunneling or focusing on him too much, which i stand by – but i'm still placing him in the scum cat because wtf if that's his town approach
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More pairing stuff I cba analysing at this stage of the game. I don't get the Ayia read but I don't have PS mafia meta to go off of (unless you're one of the people I played with a bit when I had a brief stint there in which case sorry for forgetting who you are).
Laurel read seems like what I'd read from him if I hadn't played with him before. Tbh I still have him in scum lean anyway.

Overall grade: 0/10 didn't give me one opportunity to make a "Head in the clouds" joke.
 
CaffeineBoost said:
This is a very confident town read in Psy. I can see it but I'm not that confident. Seems legit though. Your flavour claim isn't one I can do much with since I haven't read Bigvivor and don't plan to.


I don't get why people feel DLE is town, I can't really get much of a read on him at all. I suppose the reasoning is... reasonable... ish.
You have the same gut read on Whydon that I do, but I don't trust my gut read so I've still got him as null. I would like him to actually try to discern his serious posts from his non-serious posts, since right now I think none of them are serious. Whydon pinging you because I want you to see this.

Not much to say on the nulls. I feel like Nuxl is obvtown but that might just be because I (feel like I) know what to expect from town Nuxl.
I'll need to find Whydon's posts about Dyo, idr him elaborating on that read at all.

I'll read this later, just quoting it so I know it exists. I haven't got the impression that Dyo's posts are polished though.

I have things I want to say about the scum lean on me which I will withhold. I'll admit though I do love to talk. :psysly:
This is the 2nd mention of #1,752 which does make me wonder if scumchat is considering trying to get me on that post, but it means assuming two people are doing a co-ordinated push on that one post alone and that seems like a shit assumption to make. I've already talked about it. I think that vote was correct. You can take whatever you want from the tone but I was presenting myself in a shitposty manner.
I don't have a read on Dave, not reading into pairs for US and M2H but I will say I also scumlean US since I thought his day one was... kinda bad. Felt like he was parroting (shout out to ajhockeystar).

More pairing stuff I cba analysing at this stage of the game. I don't get the Ayia read but I don't have PS mafia meta to go off of (unless you're one of the people I played with a bit when I had a brief stint there in which case sorry for forgetting who you are).
Laurel read seems like what I'd read from him if I hadn't played with him before. Tbh I still have him in scum lean anyway.

Overall grade: 0/10 didn't give me one opportunity to make a "Head in the clouds" joke.
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The fk? you know i’m town dont make me sus of you >.<
 
Haruno said:
Anyhow, with any luck I'll be able to target texas and then I can figure out what's going on here o_o. Should also mean confirmed town.... perhaps? Assuming the info about pre game factionfuckery isn't actually in this game lol
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What I'm confused about is that my Role PM starts off with flavour based on what my character did in Bigvivor and then it's my ability. It's odd that yours talks about mafia stuff
 
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