NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

im not gonna respond to every post but just what i find pertinent

none of my other scumreads were getting traction like at all. i literally tried voting drookez iirc and nobody followed, i didn’t like the dyo vote nor the way it was set to build up near eod with a dead thread. i wasn’t sure how to take laurels posts but after thinking for like half an hour or something i thought his stuff could come from a scum pov trying to disassemble my town reads, so i voted laurel to see how people would react and then the wagon felt better than the dyo one until celever started doing shit which was the biggest hangup. eod being stagnant again probably should’ve given me a warning but then people randomly jumped on dyo so i thought it was better! fight me af. people really out here crediting me for the whole wagon
 
im not gonna respond to every post but just what i find pertinent

none of my other scumreads were getting traction like at all. i literally tried voting drookez iirc and nobody followed, i didn’t like the dyo vote nor the way it was set to build up near eod with a dead thread. i wasn’t sure how to take laurels posts but after thinking for like half an hour or something i thought his stuff could come from a scum pov trying to disassemble my town reads, so i voted laurel to see how people would react and then the wagon felt better than the dyo one until celever started doing shit which was the biggest hangup. eod being stagnant again probably should’ve given me a warning but then people randomly jumped on dyo so i thought it was better! fight me af. people really out here crediting me for the whole wagon
I don't remember anyone putting a lot of impetus on you for the wagon
 
somehow celever gets like 5 votes and they all disassemble in the span of 10 or so pages is also interesting? tbh like the fact that they’re on dle is good but is everyone really dropping it after they just parked it at the start of the day or do they just find things more pertinent? i don’t think we’re running up s/s wagons at any case
 
like to me dle is a good vote, even past his meta he’s making some really confident reads and popins for someone who ive seen lurk the thread for 5-10 minutes when im here and then clicks out of it and i see his activity wither away in the background

i don’t think the direction of his posts are logistically bad, but when you take into thread account of ppl getting paranoid, i don’t really think his popins and what he states make sense with what i think he would know. there’s nothing i can really ask him but im still not getting the same finesse i recognize with the last times ive seen him play.
 
also don’t really know why people feel like they’re getting super paranoid

we’ve had one real wagon day, day 1 was hal’s fault, day 2 was a 3p and we probably have a decent number of MLs to go
 
secondly celevers posts are trending down for me esp w this in context of the ayia flip. im being more and more confused by the direction he takes every time he enters the thread

Ayia
CaffeineBoost
Celever
Clouds
Da Letter El
Dave
Drookez
Dyo
Haruno
M2H
Laurel

Right.

If (IF) Clouds and Drookez aren't scumbuds openwolf trolling then we have

Ayia
CaffeineBoost
Celever
Da Letter El
Dave
Dyo
Haruno
M2H
Laurel

Think we all agree it makes little sense for me or M2H to do this kill (and I'll take Haruno off they're dead)

Ayia
CaffeineBoost
Da Letter El
Dave
Dyo
Laurel

I legit think Dave is likelier to kill DLE based on the discussion we've had prior so? And DLE I think kills me or Caff 90% of the time so

Ayia
CaffeineBoost
Dyo
Laurel

For me this is where we shoot today and I'm at peace with that. I like Dyo's explanations and think that they are reasonably rational and certainly well constructed on the fly.

There are 3 theories for the others:
1) Ayia saw the speculation about Haruno and Texas possibly being 3p lovers or having really powerful abilities unlock when they meet each other, and paranoiacally shot Haruno just in case. The active posters hadn't yet really focussed on him so it made sense to leave Caff, Cel and M2H alive as they were distracted elsewhere, primarily each other. DLE, Dyo, and Dave had vote equity moving into today so shooting there is also bad for someone who doesn't know that both are experienced maf players and are just focussing on this game. Laurel and Haruno would be the only two viable shots for this slot taking that into account, and Laurel has also been shaded and been a relative non-factor up to this point.

2) Caffeine wanted to kill Haruno to stoke the fire of the power dynamics he set up yesterday. Caff heavily bought into Haruno's claim being legitimate and prob town, so saw this as a sensible shot as others would soon also consider Haruno town and that's bad in the lategame.

3) Laurel has come into the thread and justified why Haruno was a good kill himself. I disagree with his logic, but it shows he has that logic.

RN it's between Dyo and Ayia. I'm comfortable to Vote Ayia a LOT of people have said they think this slot is town for basically no reason too
 
like to me dle is a good vote, even past his meta he’s making some really confident reads and popins for someone who ive seen lurk the thread for 5-10 minutes when im here and then clicks out of it and i see his activity wither away in the background

i don’t think the direction of his posts are logistically bad, but when you take into thread account of ppl getting paranoid, i don’t really think his popins and what he states make sense with what i think he would know. there’s nothing i can really ask him but im still not getting the same finesse i recognize with the last times ive seen him play.
i don't think you know my scum play if you think that me being this suddenly confident is indicative of my scum play
 
secondly celevers posts are trending down for me esp w this in context of the ayia flip. im being more and more confused by the direction he takes every time he enters the thread
I find it weird that you bring that post back into the thread when it’s been v covered (I agree it’s bad and was overtired)

I don’t think you can disagree with the main logic behind the Ayia vote that a number of people hardtowned him for no reason

If I care enough I’ll go back and see who that was, it’s still a valid lead once he’s flipped town
 
dyos night actions suck for a few days in a row tbf since idk what would lead to no result multiple times what to make about his slot

i think the d3 claim makes sense from a POV of like mostly inexp scum team 4heading the claim to get attention off of him

also town has a results stealer, hals role, and now a flipped tracker - rolecop in addition seems like a lot of info if we assume we have something relatively powerful like a watcher

one thing to note is he’s looking relatively unpartnered with other people itt and other null-scum reads such as drookez US vizh, so it’s possible that a scum dyo flip does open up the game more
 
i don't think you know my scum play if you think that me being this suddenly confident is indicative of my scum play
Ngl you play this way every game regardless of alignment (disclaimer: I have not played with you in five years so maybe that has changed things). Do you mean you do this to a lesser degree as scum? Because I’ve seen you do this as scum in prior NOCs lol (but also as town for sure, I’m js I don’t think it is AI in either direction like you’ve claimed).

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