NOC Werewolf Mafia - Game Over: Mafia Wins!

HydrogenHydreigon said:
stretched out initial shitposting way longer than i feel like town jalmont would, entrance to eod is bad, has shown he can clearly actually make serious reads but is like. not doing so???? which if your town why (ik im sounding like a hypocrite here cuz this is what i did in my prev town games but jalmont has the can clearly actually make serious reads part this is not his town gameplay
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I haven't "shitposted" once this game ??? Again, why is my entrance towards the end of day bad? It's SUPER easy for me to say nothing and move on with my life - the vote count was 6 dusk - 2 skipper, and I didn't even vote dusk until it sort of seemed like I might be voted. What exactly do you think I was trying to accomplish as mafia there?

realiti said:
I think there is a pretty big difference. Last game he was actively thinking through roles, and everybody's behavior with the roles that they were given (example: tommie's fake/real use of the role swap), here he is analyzing the setup but with not much thought, and lacks much conviction in what he says, his day 2 entrance seemed incredibly...meh
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I mean this game is very much more like traditional NOC mafia where the majority is vanilla mafia. There just isn't much setup strategy to talk about. What sort of strategy do you think I should've thought about if I'm being lazy?

on the topic i think we do want to claim tomorrow and hope we don't lose the original PRs. i don't really think BACKUPS should ever claim at all, even with a potentially guilty result unless we can afford to lose the 50/50, it's just too suspicious and better to tunnel if you have a guilty.
 
When I think about this game I see two major groups - realiti/FK vs. Psy/Laurel. What makes this interaction more interesting is the fact that both realiti and FK really drove the vote away from skip. The flashpoint for the vote was p.70-72. Realiti ended up getting off skip to go to whydon which kinda felt like a meme and then ended up on dusk over skip. FK defended skip on p.71 at the time skip was the majority wagon.

For me then I zero in on skip because if skip is mafia, then it seems pretty likely that one of realiti/FK is his buddy. But the Celever NK really gives me pause on that (fwiw I don't buy mafia was 3rd party hunting w a celever kill. a skip mafia team is never killing someone they know is 1. defending him and basically saving him from the vote and 2. was pushing an alternative vote who they know is also town.

Psy is just incredibly hard to know what he actually thinks because he flips in real time. But I think his skipper vote was more solid than some of the other votes he was throwing out. Laurel is a fairly weak association but I'm including because imo he's the only one who's really strongly town-read psy while everyone else is kind of shading him (with psy not being one of those).

If I decide skip is mafia -> I'm seeing realiti/FK as 1 partner and then maybe like whydon or someone else who didn't really participate in the vote. Ehmcee is never skip's partner.
 
The secondary conflict revolves around ehmcee and it's weird because, correct me if I'm wrong, no one really feels like ehmcee is town. But the indirect defense of skip by spiderz going after him makes me wonder. The skip vote on ehmcee is consistent but it also feels kind of out there. I don't know, maybe mafia skip goes for an easier target? But again, not a lot of town ehmcee reads so objectively, he IS an easy target.

Who can't be partners with who?

Spiderz - not with Fire/ehmcee/laurel. could be him/skip/LS? or maybe swap LS out for like whydon if you feel good about LS
Ehmcee - He's probably bad if skip is good? Bad look for me if he's mafia is dusk/celever/skip/me, 3 out of which I know are good. Who are his teammates though? Not spiderz. Probably not psy, wasn't psy on the stronger side trying to vote him?
FK - not with Spiderz. Very confident on dusk: can't allow people to consistently be wrong, have to hold him accountable if he keeps screwing up. could be like FK/skip/whydon
skip - not with ehmcee.
LS - feels like she fits on a lot of teams. her scum list is interesting because she seems to be the only one who has HH as scum which actually DOES make sense in the scenario where she doesn't what HH is. i think i'm just biased against her for w.e. reason
realiti - not with psy. the sub out thing was weird. was solidly town prior to that, but we have to remember dusk had the same reaction towards psy (ignoring him, getting almost irrationally irritateD)


I think HH is town. We know HH has an MO of randomly swapping the vote. Knowing that I'm town, there's very low probability as mafia HH tries to swap the vote last minute because of the risk of it going wrong. Maybe if the team is really deepwolf and it's like HH/psy/spiderz or smth idk.

psy - well I don't think he's the werewolf at least lol. i can't see the exact same psy as wolf because that would 100% get him killed. hard to know where he really stands but probably not with realiti/fk. see above post by me.

I think neon is town ironically because I think their game is a lot different with scum chat.

whydon - impossible to read. pretty much fits on every team. probably has some wolf equity too.
laurel - i don't know if many people feel strongly about him except being low activity. i guess technically he fits on a lot of teams but not with spiderz.

fk i'm just so all over the place rn. sigh
 
here's my day 1 deadline notes, maybe raw format is better:

spiderz - swapped between fire/ehmcee, ended with last minute vote on me that im not sure what to think about
hard town read LS why?
not with laurel

ehmcee - jalmont/skip/dusk/celever slight
voted dusk to avoid tie, didn't want to flashwagon fk
prob not with spiderz

fk - weird argument then moves to dusk scum
spiderz bad
defended skipper on pg. 71 when skipper was maj wagon

hh - probably town off of trying to swap to me. no real value in doing so

skipper - tunnel on ehmcee, doesn't like me or spiderz

realiti - first to move off skip to whydon -> then moves to dusk over skip. defends fk

psy - not werewolf. fighting w realit and fk

ls - no presence at the end of deadline RED FLAG imo
2796 scum reads hh -> inactives??

neon - missed deadline but prob town

whydon - eli was mafia. realiti/ls duo maf to laurel/spider? what

laurel - no prescence at deadline. psy town, realiti+fk mafia which i tend to agree with. psy defense

nuxl died to wolf
celever died to mafia - hard defended skip
 
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