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why do you want to vote ww over mafia
We’ve voted out a mafia member already and I just thought even if we vote off maf today we still have 2 night kills incoming, and a maf and a wolf in the final 6, which now that I’m typing this two maf in the F7 wouldn’t be great either
your prev posts indicate you wolfread spiderz and jalmont?? your only posts on whydon are defending him even
Yes I did, beginning of d1, but since then I now think that Whydon is wolf.
 
I wanna give huge props to whoever Mayor is for navigating that in the way they did, I'm pretty sure you never reveal here tho

Whydon being useful and also 90% town was not on my bingo card

I'm caught up through thread but gotta do something rq, will explain my EOD thought process when I can
 
im caught up and read the thread.

whydon - short answer was that i was not really around at dl in that it was past midnight, dnd trashed me, and i was desperately trying to keep my own unofficial vc which i lost track of maybe 4-5 minutes before actual dl. i left my vote on you because i did not like the jalmont wagon and by the time the fk wagon looked legitimate in my eyes i was already fumbling my VC so I didn't actually know if it was viable. plus i'm not going to lie i still scumread you up until eod - sorry for that.

should i have posted "deadline"? probably not but eod chaos makes people do silly things. as we approach every single eod i'm like, "probably shouldn't be awake, ill park my vote wherever i feel good about that has someone i townread on, then go to sleep" and then eod arrives (i like to be in bed at midnight at latest) and i'm like, "how many people are actually going to stay for eod (see laurel on a date, neon wherever the fuck), tomorrow's sunday (for this eod) and i can justify sleeping in a bit. best for me to stay up for eod and help." and then eod rolls around and i'm not great focus-wise and fumble.

again. i did scumread you leading up to/inside eod. i still am not super sure that you're fully cleared, but at the very least i recognize that my eod was hot trash and i didnt get on the scum wagon. i posted "deadline" because i was fine enough leaving it on you and i wanted to be some level of helpful after my unofficial eod voting had psy on two wagons somehow and neon's vote entirely missing from my list (tbf his vote didn't matter).

i dunno. i keep staying up for these eods and then i'm fully not functional or contributive during them. i just park my vote where i feel comfortable and then watch like a spectator as the eod wagon-jumping begins. i dont think i really have ever done those wagon-jumping types of things, outside maybe one or two eods in previous games. but definitely a 1am deadline further limits my ability to contribute to eod, even if each day leading up to eod i'm reading the thread and thinking "this seems a worthwhile cause to stay up for eod!" i don't even move my fucking vote during eods but there's always the chance i would, i guess. of all three wagons i was most comfortable on yours, and by the time eod fully kicked up its storm, i had zero idea what the viable wagons were other than knowing that fk and jalmont had votes on them and that you probably still did.

honestly i'm not sure why i'm acting like leaving my vote on you was captial-b Bad because you're still in my personal poe but i figured you wanted me to explain my eod which was a logical thing to do regardless of your allegiance.
 
also LOL that post starts with "short answer" since i wasnt gonna type more than a paragraph before going "ill get into more detail after i handle other responsibilities" and then it ended up being the full answer. so uh, not short answer Whydon
 
So a few things about last night,

You need to understand that the whole fk vote pivot happened 11 minutes before EoD.
I was already sticking to the previous Whdyon vote that was largely decided by town while the whole PR reveals where happening.

I'd initially already stated that I wasn't the biggest fan of the Hydro vote, while somewhat acquiescing that I'd flip if votes remained on them. Other players like Jalmont and Psy also call out that this vote is kinda wack.

Right after I state that I didn't really like the Hydro pivot, I leave for a good 20 minutes, to be greeted with the Hydro Tracker claim and a bunch of other things. My primary objective at this point is catching up with the thread for the 9-ish new pages that got added. And I'm caught up 13 minutes before EoD.

Votecount 2.7 was essentially when the hydro wagon was at it's peak,

Votecount 2.7 the D2 EOD madness is here edition
HydrogenHydreigon (6): firekitten,Lady Salamence, Laurel, realiti, Spiderz, Whydon
Whydon (4): Ehmcee, HydrogenHydreigon, JALMONT, Psypsypsypsypsythe
ImaginaryNeon (1): ImaginaryNeon

Note that I'm stuck on the Whydon wagon with 3 other essentially town-confirmed players (psy can be argued, but still town imo), this is when the Hydro results end up coming out, demonstrating that Jalmont visited someone on night 1.

Now I am personally pretty weary already of flipping votes at EoD, with 2 NK's and arguments flowing left and right, I decided it would probably be best if I sticked to the original town-agreed Whydon vote, since at best we removed a scum, or somewhat improved the gamestate from an unreadable player (who somehow has become one of the most townie players in the span of a day).

This is when the fk votes start pouring in seemingly out of nowhere from the hydro wagon, mainly sparked by this comment by psy.

However we're also at a point where Jalmont is revealed to either be Jailor, or maf/ww, which is something that I believe is worth pushing, so I vote Jalmont 7 minutes before EoD, at least wanting to get a claim out of them. Later on the same page, fk officially claims to be mayor, which I actually miss somehow, potentially because it's the last post on the page or something, don't remember too much. Point is I'm currently focused on Jalmont, i do reply to a post from Psy saying that mayor is kinda useless so we could kill it, which sounds like the dumbest thing in the entire universe to me, to the point where I almost skip over the fact that he said it was fk. Then this post comes out from Jalmont, making me realise there is indeed no point voting them and we're also at a cross-section where we have both FK and Jalmont as PR claims, so I flip back to Whydon which was considered the "safe" vote up to now.

I'm still relatively calm until 12:58, my vote to whydon is relatively well articulated i think, and I also have time to throw in a your mom joke, VC also hasn't come out in a while which makes me not realise that fk is currently the primary wagon. I am now put in a spot where I have no idea why everyone's been voting fk due to being focused on Jalmont for so much of the endgame, as well as having the knowledge that they claimed mayor.

So obviously, since there were no cc's (i understand that mayor could've been afk or just not revealing, but wasn't in my mind at the time) i start vehemently defending fk 2 minutes before deadline. Up to now the only context i have for the fk vote is psy saing "we could kill fk here" and "yeah i just don't buy it" from his mayor claim.


Then night ends.


The 3-way tie being broken by actual unrevealed mayor on fk to kill him is such an insane turn of events, and having our mayor be a 3-way coinflip for scum is super beneficial to us. I'm going to relook at my scumlist because psy/spiderz/whydon all get insane towncred from that vote (one could potentially be wolf, but disregarding that for now).
 
Ehmcee
HydrogenHydreigon
ImaginaryNeon
Lady Salamence
Laurel
Psypsypsypsypsythe
realiti
skippergamez
Whydon

I'm town tracker
Psy/Whydon have a ton of towncred (or at least non-scumcred) from the fk vote
Neon is pretty universally townread I think?
I tracked MC last night and they went nowhere, so unless scum idled I'm inclined to think they're vt
That leaves

Lady Salamence
Laurel
realiti
skippergamez

Last two scum are prolly just in those four right?
 
literally everyone except for me spiderz psy played eod so bad last night btw
Yeah no shit voting myself prob wasn't the best play, but it was the funniest play. Also it somehow kinda worked out 'cause I wasn't available for the last like 15-20 minutes of EoD due to my computer locking.
 
We are currently in a 6v2v1 scenario, i would argue that we aren't in mylo due to the complexities of ww having to kill maf and potentially be in the pool of 3 possible mayor claims, which makes both ww's and maf's life hard.
 
hydro/me/psy/imaginary should just be towncore atp
Keep in mind that either you or psy is Mayor, so that just perm clears one of you.
(As if Psypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsypsythe wasn't towny enough...)
 
imaginaryneon is fully a psyop /j

i dont have much disagreement with the psy/hh train of thought tho i'm not thrilled about the idea of ehmcee being more clear off the track - the role pm for scum seems to say that the backup doesnt necessarily need to take the role? between that and the idea that scum could idle for whatever reason, i think he's still in my poe but not high up. vote pref is probably laurel->skip->realiti atm

though it does ask the huge question, if the scumteam is laurel/realiti/fk, what the absolute fuck was that play by laurel to throw shade on realiti when realiti tried to change the subject away from fk's fake pr claim? ik one of them could be ww but in the world where it's those three as scum i have zero idea how to unravel the laurel push from d2
 
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