NOC Vote n' Veto NOC Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over - Town Win!]

Anyway Blazade as someone who doesn’t think D1 tends to be effective and prefers post-D1 because there’s mod confirmed info, what are your thoughts on solve state being frozen?
 
Yes indeed we are 50 degrees away from that particular vote being relevant but at least you're not gaslighting me about what I actually saw and had thoughts about.

I think thread activity being down is a drag, as always, but we do have some connection webs to work with. I'm personally voting people who I believe are more likely to be scum due to wagonomics, buddy possibilities, and tells, all downstream from D1 evidence.

If you'd like to again blame me for the thread not being as active as you'd like instead of the actual people who are supposed to be talking idk what to tell you, that's one of the silliest things I've read all week.
 
Blazade said:
Yes indeed we are 50 degrees away from that particular vote being relevant but at least you're not gaslighting me about what I actually saw and had thoughts about.

I think thread activity being down is a drag, as always, but we do have some connection webs to work with. I'm personally voting people who I believe are more likely to be scum due to wagonomics, buddy possibilities, and tells, all downstream from D1 evidence.

If you'd like to again blame me for the thread not being as active as you'd like instead of the actual people who are supposed to be talking idk what to tell you, that's one of the silliest things I've read all week.
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OK definitely not intended tone, I didn’t remember the AG vote that’s true but I wasn’t intending to blame you for thread activity being low. My point more so was frozen reads, which are linked but not the same. Based on threadstate I’m fairly sure skipper is town and scum are letting them die, and I thought you’d agree with me which is why I asked.

And based on recent vote count you’re not voting anyone. Who’d you like to vote out?
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
idk id bus skip if i was scum in this situation
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Why? As self defence voter? Not like there aren’t other people who scum could quite easily push out. I stuck my vote on Ehmcee at SoD and pulsar is still barely contributing. Blazade and Hydro are people who many have scumread, too.

We’ve concentrated a lot on skipper’s role being strong on scum but haven’t concentrated on it also being strong on town. Pretty sure it throws MYLO calcs for scum off track (but I’m really tired and don’t wanna do the maths really lol)

But self defence voter on scum literally endgames early. Bussing him is never a valid option here
 
Celever said:
OK definitely not intended tone, I didn’t remember the AG vote that’s true but I wasn’t intending to blame you for thread activity being low. My point more so was frozen reads, which are linked but not the same. Based on threadstate I’m fairly sure skipper is town and scum are letting them die, and I thought you’d agree with me which is why I asked.

And based on recent vote count you’re not voting anyone. Who’d you like to vote out?
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I am voting Emcee, actually. With the skip wagon growing I was floating what I thought was a slightly better option to see if that gained some traction. It was slightly to see how stagnant/opportunistic people were in line with your concerns.

But I still think skip is a good lynch here. My concerns are in the couple times I saw him show initiative, but overall the extremely self centered play, the attention from people I find towny (including dead AG), and the resistance to vote him D1 is enough for me.

Regarding endgame/bus math: skip isn't strong except as mafia in a 1v2 endgame because in all other cases mafia or town can vote someone else and avoid activating him while still lynching from the right faction. You're right that it would be difficult for mafia to bus him, but that was far from what was happening D1.
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
okay the concern is. theres no defense for skip sure. except for right now. like how do i know that thats not what this is
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Sure. I mean I do think skipper’s likeliest scum buddies are Blazade or myself. Part of the reason for scumreading skipper is coaching allegations after all. So if that’s your primary read (skipper + one of us two) then you can push skipper. FMPOV I’m town and Blazade is like yeah easily could be scum but idfk he could so easily go either way (his playstyle is hard to read and I don’t recall experience doing so) and that’s part of what gives me more potential confidence in skipper being town than if I were in your spot.
Blazade said:
I am voting Emcee, actually. With the skip wagon growing I was floating what I thought was a slightly better option to see if that gained some traction. It was slightly to see how stagnant/opportunistic people were in line with your concerns.

But I still think skip is a good lynch here. My concerns are in the couple times I saw him show initiative, but overall the extremely self centered play, the attention from people I find towny (including dead AG), and the resistance to vote him D1 is enough for me.

Regarding endgame/bus math: skip isn't strong except as mafia in a 1v2 endgame because in all other cases mafia or town can vote someone else and avoid activating him while still lynching from the right faction. You're right that it would be difficult for mafia to bus him, but that was far from what was happening D1.
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Ah fair, I don’t think Ehmcee’s a bad option (I was on there all day lol) since he occupies a space between frozen reads and being a D1 continuation. Town kinda froze away from voting him with continuous shade.

TY for doing the maths btw interesting and useful stuff.
 
Overall I think my fear with this game is scumteam is within pulsar / Psy / Blazade (pulsar-Blazade a particularly likely option also considering EoD1 movements) and playerbase just does not seem to want to vote any of these out I think they never manage to go over
 
I understand where you're coming from to an extent, Celever, because it probably somewhat mirrors my feelings about you. There's this feeling I have where if you're scum, I'm one of the only people with the game history to sus it out and the willingness to argue with your stubborn ass over it. And so it's difficult not to expect this attention from you when town Celever probably feels the need to police me and mafia Celever is happy to pick a fight just like last time.

I think whatever undercurrents of coaching or experience are there in the scumteam are most likely to come from Emcee. If anything yesterday's dialogue solidified for me what you said earlier, that he's probably a good and thoughtful scumpartner behind the scenes. He was willing to put the time and effort into the vote math, but direct it someplace not actually helpful. The tinfoil for me is you or psy, but that's just not where my head is at right now.
 
I feel somewhat complacent in the lack of dialogue, due to not contributing as much as I usually do, analyzing the endgame this early probably doesn't have that much of an impact as I initially thought it did either.

I like Psy's ISO of Skipp, all the posts feel very weird and inconsistent, while the throwaway "I knew I'd be the day 2 wagon" almost feels like some desperate attempt at trying to clutch. On the basis of roles I'd also rather get him out to simplify the endgame down the road if they happen to be town, the role is infinitely more valuable to maf than it is to town.
 
Official Vote Count 2.2: 3 Hours Left

Votes (+)
skippergamez (4): Psypsypsypsypsythe, Ehmcee, HydrogenHydregion
Ehmcee (2): Blazade
Psypsypsypsypsythe (1): skippergamez
Blazade (1): Celever

Vetoes (-)
Blazade (.5): Blazade
skippergamez (.5): skippergamez
HydrogenHydregion (.5): HydrogenHydregion
Psypsypsypsypsythe (.5): Celever

Totals:
skippergamez: 3.5
Ehmcee: 2
Psypsypsypsypsythe: .5
Blazade: .5
 
JS if Psy + Blazade is the scum team they planned this move to get me to stop being a nuisance toward them because pulsar was my preferred option for most of the two days
 
Celever said:
JS if Psy + Blazade is the scum team they planned this move to get me to stop being a nuisance toward them because pulsar was my preferred option for most of the two days
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If you're worried about that then you need to be voting one of us, because that is the exact scenario where mafia hard outvotes town on D3.

You could have stuck with pulsar EoD1 and I would have shipped it, why did you get off it?
 
Blazade said:
If you're worried about that then you need to be voting one of us, because that is the exact scenario where mafia hard outvotes town on D3.

You could have stuck with pulsar EoD1 and I would have shipped it, why did you get off it?
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Oh yeah, I guess that’s true lol. Double mayor scum would be real unfortunate tbf though.

IIRC I did try to push pulsar at some point and it got no traction, so I went with Ehmcee as my preferred second option and your preferred first? Not sure tbh my memory is bad at history
 
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