SPOILERS! Indigo Disk Discussion

I just did the end game of the DLC

I know there's a few things to do after this, some kinda sorta important, but....

the actual Area Zero part of this felt very....tacked on? The atmosphere being built was actually pretty good, and as a character arc for Kieren I was satisfied by its ending (& you know what it's nice this wasnt entirely on the peach)

But, I dunno. I'll put aside any lingering questions about Area Zero as a whole (and the game added MORE questions, but whatever). It starts up incredibly abruptly and Terapagos feels almost ancillary. For something so important it sure didn't feel important at all. There's a lot that's not even brushed upon, the most central of which being Briar's.......everything. Like literally everything about her.
How was she not way way way more important to the DLC? How do we truly not get a grasp of what her deal actually is? There's way more going on with her than just being Excited About Her Grandfather's Research. And she just apologizes and that's it.

Even the immediate thing where she jsut gives yo uher book feels like it's not enough, though it at least explained the terrarium.

I dunno maybe this was always the plan, and we're always going to fill in blanks, but ....It's like something's missing.
 
R_N said:
I just did the end game of the DLC

I know there's a few things to do after this, some kinda sorta important, but....

the actual Area Zero part of this felt very....tacked on? The atmosphere being built was actually pretty good, and as a character arc for Kieren I was satisfied by its ending (& you know what it's nice this wasnt entirely on the peach)

But, I dunno. I'll put aside any lingering questions about Area Zero as a whole (and the game added MORE questions, but whatever). It starts up incredibly abruptly and Terapagos feels almost ancillary. For something so important it sure didn't feel important at all. There's a lot that's not even brushed upon, the most central of which being Briar's.......everything. Like literally everything about her.
How was she not way way way more important to the DLC? How do we truly not get a grasp of what her deal actually is? There's way more going on with her than just being Excited About Her Grandfather's Research. And she just apologizes and that's it.

Even the immediate thing where she jsut gives yo uher book feels like it's not enough, though it at least explained the terrarium.

I dunno maybe this was always the plan, and we're always going to fill in blanks, but ....It's like something's missing.
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it's not just you

it feels incomplete and not in a future third installment kinda way

it feels incomplete in a you started writing an A+ level term paper and then very quickly got bored, procrastinated until the last minute and threw something together just for the sake of having submitted it-kinda way

it's weird as hell that there have been sightings of crown and boulder/bolt and gouging including one very close up shot from the rear and yet no one knows whether or not these mons are real despite them having explicit in-universe names used by characters that arent you. doubly so that these mons kinda just pop up and are there with no note made as to the why/how these mons based on some of the most iconic pokemon in-universe just happen to be chilling in this crater. and who took these photos?

terapagos itself kinda feels like running into, say, mewtwo in cerulean cave moreso than the conclusion to a massive lore arc built up over the course of the base game and 2 DLCs

briar clearly has some sinister/underhanded ideas in mind for terapagos and seemed to be goading kieran specifically into drawing out as much of its power as possible

wonder if they vhanged the storyline drastically late in development?
 
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R.B.G. said:
it's not just you

it feels incomplete and not in a future third installment kinda way

it feels incomplete in a you started writing an A+ level term paper and then very quickly got bored, procrastinated until the last minute and threw something together just for the sake of having submitted it-kinda way

it's weird as hell that there have been sightings of crown and boulder/bolt and gouging including one very close up shot from the rear and yet no one knows whether or not these mons are real despite them having explicit in-universe names used by characters that arent you. doubly so that these mons kinda just pop up and are there with no note made as to the why/how these mons based on some of the most iconic pokemon in-universe just happen to be chilling in this crater

terapagos itself kinda feels like running into, say, mewtwo in cerulean cave moreso than the conclusion to a massive lore arc built up over the course of the base game and 2 DLCs

briar clearly has some sinister/underhanded ideas in mind for terapagos and seemed to be goading kieran specifically into drawing out as much of its power as possible

wonder if they vhanged the storyline drastically late in development?
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and then we pull in other oddities, like how the book draws attention to the strange symbols (symbols so important that they get on the box art!) the geoglyph on the floor, the iron plate, Heath's strange meeting with someone and those diagrams...

Not to mention that Arven himself points out that something's wrong with the time machine set up. The Paradoxes were not there in Area Zero until Sada made the time machine, but Heath supposedl ysaw them just fine.
now there's plenty of ways to explain that (they'r enot actually time traveling, they're spill over from sada's future tinkering, they existed mysteriously in the past but the time machine pulls them forward, etc) but the game does nothing to acknowledge it

I also just did that little event, at the pools

Which makes everything even stranger, with the implications of different timelines, the professor having Briar's book feels like it should matter more.

Though at least the paradox of the book is fitting for this game; it's not a case of necessarily making a new timeline either (though, considering how she talks about heading home and settling down with the book...perhaps we did make a happier timeline anyway) if yo uread the documents in the underdepths she explicitly says she got a white volume from a child.


I will say that the whole sequence does add further credence to Terapagos being able to react to people's desires.
 
So in synchro you can typically just walk into people and do auto battles normally, but your manual attack from pressing Y still has a deceptively large hitbox, and Azumarill's lunging attack makes this particularly obvious. I also noticed Pokemon who can't swim will immediately end synchro instead of getting a raft.
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I noticed this in the text dump and I don't exactly know what triggers it (syncs/kills/time?), but Synclaire gives you some BP for your use of the Synchro Machine after some point, so it's at least some reward for using it but may not be worth pursuing as a main BP source. I don't know if this is repeatable either. It probably isn't based on number of unique mons at least since I just cycled through my party a few times before it triggered.
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There's a very small line from Arven if you go to his dorm and talk to him with
the professor's book, but he doesn't see the name and just assumes it's the one from downstairs.

I can't really blame the player for not going "hey i just met your mom, and maybe caused a paradox" but lol at showing the book regardless


Unrelated to that: I'm surprised you still can't fly to the Star bases, even after doing their little post-script.
Kind of thought we'd get enhanced battles with the quintet too, where they finally made up their work and earned tera orbs but they're not in the trainer dump and you can't invite them to Blueberry (which...yeah alright fair; Penny & Arven at least got into the Hall of Fame).
While we're here, I'll say again I'm surprised there's no like...Koraidon/Miraidon riding time trial course in the star bases . They're just so big and have all these ramps and platforms that you will 90% of the time never get to really interact with.
 
I don't know if it is necessarily for everyone, but I just love how much effort was poured into character dialogue in this generation. Some of the most compelling scenes and moments of genuine hilarity. You can tell the writers had a lot of fun, especially with how the school settings = more juvenile/chaotic people. There were plenty of high tension moments but I love how Pokemon never takes themselves too seriously and brings themselves back down. If you had told me back in Gen 8 that I would be pausing and reading everything someone says in a Pokemon game, I would've probably laughed at the thought.
 
mcandrew5629 said:
I don't know if it is necessarily for everyone, but I just love how much effort was poured into character dialogue in this generation. Some of the most compelling scenes and moments of genuine hilarity. You can tell the writers had a lot of fun, especially with how the school settings = more juvenile/chaotic people. There were plenty of high tension moments but I love how Pokemon never takes themselves too seriously and brings themselves back down. If you had told me back in Gen 8 that I would be pausing and reading everything someone says in a Pokemon game, I would've probably laughed at the thought.
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It reminds me of gen 7 in that regard, they hit a good level of humor/interest. I really like this game's cast and I'm looking forward to inviting all the characters to Blueberry just to see what they have to say.

I might have commented on it before, but the leader rematches for the normal post game really endeared me to the set despite their short time frame.


Though I will throw a bone to gen 8: I found its leaders also fairly charming, Bede was good and the DLC interactions/characters were all pretty good as well. I think it just gets lost in the shuffle of SWSH's other flaws.
 
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After the Team Star quest, you can find Atticus auctioning clothes that are references to some past designs. Apparently they came to him from a dream.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1735541093783994873
(a thread by the original poster who I found afterwards)
(Ultra Recon Squad glasses, Marnie's "Leader Bag", Expansion Suit helmet, Magma Suit/Aqua Suit helmet, Ryuki's "Dragon Gloves", Aether shoes, Ball Guy helmet)
I saw these clothes names and were confused on where these were at first since the other new clothes have named dialogue for where they're obtained, but I ended up noticing that Atticus has a new auction section and confirmed it on twitter.

Apparently the final reward for buying all of these is the "Glow Stick Dance" emote but I have not seen an image of what it entails.
 
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anyone know a way past this crystal, up the cliff opposite the tunnel that leads to the tera shocks/thorns? i noticed it on my first run-through thinking there'd be some side path with the mon to bring it down but there never was and i can't find anything of the sort. there's a bunch of pokeball items including a TM past there which makes it seem very intentionally placed
 
breadstickslug said:
anyone know a way past this crystal, up the cliff opposite the tunnel that leads to the tera shocks/thorns? i noticed it on my first run-through thinking there'd be some side path with the mon to bring it down but there never was and i can't find anything of the sort. there's a bunch of pokeball items including a TM past there which makes it seem very intentionally placed
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Just look around, each of the crystals has you use a different Koraidon/Miraidon gimmick. First one is straightforwards, the next ones all have side alcoves that require to either fly, climb or swim until you reach the pokemon to fight.
 
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anyone know a way past this crystal, up the cliff opposite the tunnel that leads to the tera shocks/thorns? i noticed it on my first run-through thinking there'd be some side path with the mon to bring it down but there never was and i can't find anything of the sort. there's a bunch of pokeball items including a TM past there which makes it seem very intentionally placed
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Yeah. It’s a little tricky to explain, but to open up this one, you need to follow the path that leads to the room with the spiral “staircase.” That is, the path that had previously been blocked by Sandy Shocks / Iron Thorns. As soon as you enter the “staircase” room, look straight ahead, and a little to the right. You should be able to make out a small, hidden cavern. Go through that, and you’ll enter a narrow passage followed by a pair of large Tera crystal pillars. Climb those pillars to reach the room with the Stellar-type Pokémon, and defeat it.
 
pika pal said:
Without a way to disrupt a particular mon (not even his Ace) I could see how this team gets run over by Drayton. I certainly did
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It's ok, still less sad than being almost run over by the steel lead ._.

(also, incidentally, i straight up rolled over Drayton as my lead was followme clefable + clangorous kommo-o. Ha ha spread move go brrrrr, but man that lead terrified me when I saw it)
 
R_N said:
Checking around the Move search function, I see other moves tied to Pokemon that aren't here.

To anyone whose used this more than I have, was it always like this? I know that the ability search always had everything but I thought moves were properly culled

Yesss, this is why I've decided to use Ogerpon for the DLC
Perrin also recognized that I had the Growlithe in my party when I spoke to her; I wonder if she would have had different dialog if I evolved it .
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Late but movesearch's logic is basically just not showing the generic moves that don't exist anymore like Pursuit, Return, Hidden Power, etc that got generic descriptions saying to remove them back in SWSH, while signature moves tied to mons that aren't in didn't get their descriptions changed because they aren't there to be seen anyway. Even though you still can't see the move descriptions now that HOME resets movesets anyway.
 
doipy hooves said:
Late but movesearch's logic is basically just not showing the generic moves that don't exist anymore like Pursuit, Return, Hidden Power, etc that got generic descriptions saying to remove them back in SWSH, while signature moves tied to mons that aren't in didn't get their descriptions changed because they aren't there to be seen anyway. Even though you still can't see the move descriptions now that HOME resets movesets anyway.
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Gamefreak it's been 3 version updates and over a year, maybe tidy up the Move & Ability searches a little.
 
I personally wasn’t a fan of doubles because I couldn’t DD Baxcalibur through every fight LOL

Game Freak had some really insane ideas though: Decorate Alcremie + Throat Spray Primarina was one I was not prepped for.
 
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