NOC 16P Role Madness Mafia (CANCELLED)

joey said:
I really dislike two things about this morning
- M2H rushing a massclaim at 4am before most people had a chance to come online or pulsar had a chance to claim
- M2H continuing to push pulsar after Celever's role basically confirms pulsar as town? You could say Celever and pulsar are scum but I don't think that's logical atm nor is it what you said

If m2h were not claiming town vig it would be an insta vote for me atm
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I'm still more in favor of NE here, but Pulsar is scummy too, yeah. I also realized that Celever can be scum with Pulsar town but not the other way around. If Celever is scum, they could have just killed Saber to create a fakeclaim to get cred with Pulsar. Conversely, town Celever is never clearing Pulsar. So Celever always goes before Pulsar fmpov after thinking about it. I do think Neon hopping on my wagon is the thing that made me dislike Celever/Pulsar more fwiw.

If i haven't changed my vote yet, vote NightEmerald
 
That is also something that should be remembered if I die because it wasn't intuitive to me at first: don't vote Pulsar before flipping Celever.
 
pulsar512b said:
so what happened was i read the role name
thought i was just rolecop

went back and reread it and it was fullcop

asked genisu, didnt get an answer until DL (and that answer im ngl confusing as SHIT didnt make ANY sense i thought my results were getting publicly announced which would be insanity)

and now i find out that ehmcee has a shitass role that if revealed to maf becomes useless
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Announcer.
 
joey said:
Celever who did you bus drive? I am a little confused
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Saber and pulsar, and saber died so pulsar was (presumably) scum faction’s factional kill. And presumably they didn’t try to shoot themself, so…

Technically possible it was M2H’s secondary kill and she did some quick thinking when she saw that pulsar didn’t die to claim the townier seeming kill but that’s tinfoil and ultimately doesn’t mean much anyway
 
M2H said:
I'm still more in favor of NE here, but Pulsar is scummy too, yeah. I also realized that Celever can be scum with Pulsar town but not the other way around. If Celever is scum, they could have just killed Saber to create a fakeclaim to get cred with Pulsar. Conversely, town Celever is never clearing Pulsar. So Celever always goes before Pulsar fmpov after thinking about it. I do think Neon hopping on my wagon is the thing that made me dislike Celever/Pulsar more fwiw.

If i haven't changed my vote yet, vote NightEmerald
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It is funny that this comes from you when you tried to confirm yourself as town because of a pro-town vig shot when I saved the town cop and then claimed it confirming her as town, lol

I’m not confirmed town, but I’m more mech-town than you :P
 
Celever said:
It is funny that this comes from you when you tried to confirm yourself as town because of a pro-town vig shot when I saved the town cop and then claimed it confirming her as town, lol

I’m not confirmed town, but I’m more mech-town than you :P
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if you're a commuter yeah, but claiming bus driver as maf there is pretty easy.

maf team can't just fake a secondary kill, they either have one or they don't.
 
i agree it gets you a lot of cred if Pulsar is town but s celever / t pulsar, s celever / s pulsar, and t celever / t pulsar are all possible. t celever / s pulsar is not possible, so you should get flipped first if town is ever between the two of you.
 
M2H said:
if you're a commuter yeah, but claiming bus driver as maf there is pretty easy.

maf team can't just fake a secondary kill, they either have one or they don't.
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I don’t understand this point. Commuter just self-protects against anything for the night. I couldn’t have saved pulsar with that

I would hope that someone else targeted pulsar (perhaps in hopes of protecting her too or something, though I guess maybe we don’t have a doc if saber died) and can confirm the bus drive happened. Or targeted saber ofc
 
M2H said:
i agree it gets you a lot of cred if Pulsar is town but s celever / t pulsar, s celever / s pulsar, and t celever / t pulsar are all possible. t celever / s pulsar is not possible, so you should get flipped first if town is ever between the two of you.
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M2H said:
I think you understand mech well enough to understand that that is the case.
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Yeah I wasn’t disagreeing with that, I was disagreeing with you continuing to push me/pulsar scumteam reality
 
Celever said:
I don’t understand this point. Commuter just self-protects against anything for the night. I couldn’t have saved pulsar with that

I would hope that someone else targeted pulsar (perhaps in hopes of protecting her too or something, though I guess maybe we don’t have a doc if saber died) and can confirm the bus drive happened. Or targeted saber ofc
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* bus driver yeah
 
Feels like it would be a huge risk to fake claim bus driver when most people aren't claimed, if anyone else targeted pulsar or saber then the claim immediately goes down the drain
 
joey said:
Feels like it would be a huge risk to fake claim bus driver when most people aren't claimed, if anyone else targeted pulsar or saber then the claim immediately goes down the drain
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I mean celever could even be scum with bus driver as a disruptive role :blobshrug: idt bus driving pulsar clears celever, but it does clear pulsar if celever is town which is the point I was making.
 
M2H said:
its me, you, ehmcee, hydro, ne, joey, and neon. and JALMONT will be down im sure.

and besides the point I am near lock town from your point of view. I claimed the kill on skipper last night, that means saber was the mafia kill. if we take NE JOAT claim at face value, is mafia gonna have a secondary kill (me) and a tertiary kill (NE). that makes no sense. like I am just town Vigi here, especially if you are town rolecop so I think I have some reasonable authority in demanding a massclaim.
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Claiming page 5 does not mean consensusing a massclaim on page 89
 
joey said:
Feels like it would be a huge risk to fake claim bus driver when most people aren't claimed, if anyone else targeted pulsar or saber then the claim immediately goes down the drain
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Also saber was likely to get targeted with investigatives imo (part of why I target weed him cos I wanted to get pulsar confirmed lol, I was p sure she was town and could foresee smth like a roleblock -> misvote out of her). If I was trying to fake the bus drive as scum I think I’d kill like, Flandrs or something. I don’t think anyone targeted Flandrs with anything last night.
 
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