NOC 16P Role Madness Mafia (CANCELLED)

In the current thread climate and the amount of paranoia against me, I think if I used one of those other shots without claiming them I'd probably get myself lynched anyways.
 
M2H said:
so me being scum JOAT or just a one-shot extra kill for maf is not the case.
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M2H said:
wait until tonight and I'll prove it if i don't get RB'd :blobshrug:
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I mean you could be three-shot extra kill but in general it’s strange lol

IDK if genisu would do smth like this since it’s his first time hosting but I could see the role as “you start with a vig shot and then get another one each time a buddy dies” and you’re planning to try and hard bus (or just claim roleblocked) to try and get confirmed. This type of mafia vig is somewhat common
 
Celever said:
I mean you could be three-shot extra kill but in general it’s strange lol

IDK if genisu would do smth like this since it’s his first time hosting but I could see the role as “you start with a vig shot and then get another one each time a buddy dies” and you’re planning to try and hard bus (or just claim roleblocked) to try and get confirmed. This type of mafia vig is somewhat common
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by that logic, you should follow my votes for the next few days lmao
 
Celever said:
I’m ngl man I spoiled myself on the result of the D1 vote (which is a crime btw this is why ties = no vote is a terrible mechanic) which made me interface with the EoD dynamics on a lower level cos I was pissed off lol

But as far as Alice is concerned she again got ignored by literally everyone so there’s only that to read into. I could believe she’s scum and her partners are consistently pushing her out of the conversation but when no town tried to pick it up either that theory is difficult to evidence
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Idk man you presented Alice as an alternative to the wagons and it didn't feel like you felt any merit to skipper/neon votes. Which is fair except I know that you wanted to get a vote out going and I don't feel like voting alice really achieved anything(you couldn't be around to push it) so that's the part that I feel off about atm.

Is your case against M2H mainly about faulty rolespec/ mech solve? Because it feels like it is more about him controlling the narrative but how is the massclaim push a bad thing when that's the closest we can get towards some evidence based solving especially after the no elimination D1.
 
ImaginaryNeon said:
Hydro also very likely gets killed here.
Clears aren't too useful when the clear guy gets killed in the same night he gets cleared.
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If celever is really a bus driver, he can save hydro or me. a watcher could also catch scum RB or kill on the other slot. NE claimed protective so there is probably some way to set up the PRs such that hydro and me live. hydro can save himself and worst case scenario town can just kill me if my kills are deemed to be anti-town. There really is no way that this backfires. If I get killed at night as opposed to voted out, I consider that a win. Hydro is a null enough slot that I considered it to be beneficial if Hydro baits a mafia nk with their role. These are all things I considered before acting. I admit I am somewhat impulsive of a player, given that it would have probably been optimal to retain my 1-shot claim, but I don't think my actions today regarding the massclaim have been as destructive as your and celever's shade would imply.
 
bluedoom said:
Idk man you presented Alice as an alternative to the wagons and it didn't feel like you felt any merit to skipper/neon votes. Which is fair except I know that you wanted to get a vote out going and I don't feel like voting alice really achieved anything(you couldn't be around to push it) so that's the part that I feel off about atm.

Is your case against M2H mainly about faulty rolespec/ mech solve? Because it feels like it is more about him controlling the narrative but how is the massclaim push a bad thing when that's the closest we can get towards some evidence based solving especially after the no elimination D1.
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I did want Alice to be an alternative to both of them, but yes I dropped the vote and left to sleep. I felt as though skipper and Neon were both roughly precisely rand votes, and Alice was slightly scummier than either of them so I wanted to put the option out there.

With all the other chaos it means less, but there were roughly 2 outcomes I foresaw to it which were “scum hop on Alice cos the scum within Neon/skipper become likely to die after the town in them loses wagon momentum and Alice is town”, or “town hop on Alice because I’m ofc always right and should be sheeped more and Alice is scum so some real buddying happens in-thread”. Neither one of these happened though, since she continued to receive no pressure or really conversation around her at all.

I did what I could to make the EoD more dynamic which wasn’t necessary, and did so with someone who I thought was slightly above rand scum (and still do).

M2H’s strongarming of the massclaim feels scum-sided to me. If town are resistant to massclaim it’s usually for a good reason, such as being A LITERAL REVIVER or something. I think M2H identified the resistance, understood that town has some broken shit, and did everything she could to out those roles. Combine that with the bad pushes on Emerald, pulsar, and me (but yes the push on Emerald is just bad in its reasoning I could believe Emerald is scum) and I don’t think M2H is having a remotely good day. Her posting already dropped off a cliff in solving quality by about mid D1.
 
M2H said:
surprisingly a fairy and celever didn't enter the thread at the same time. guess they learned not to coordinate finally /s
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I woke up earlier! But a fairy does seem to not be here yet.

Maybe because I woke up earlier and added 100 posts to the thread so the catchup is taking longer:blobshrug:
 
Celever said:
I did want Alice to be an alternative to both of them, but yes I dropped the vote and left to sleep. I felt as though skipper and Neon were both roughly precisely rand votes, and Alice was slightly scummier than either of them so I wanted to put the option out there.

With all the other chaos it means less, but there were roughly 2 outcomes I foresaw to it which were “scum hop on Alice cos the scum within Neon/skipper become likely to die after the town in them loses wagon momentum and Alice is town”, or “town hop on Alice because I’m ofc always right and should be sheeped more and Alice is scum so some real buddying happens in-thread”. Neither one of these happened though, since she continued to receive no pressure or really conversation around her at all.

I did what I could to make the EoD more dynamic which wasn’t necessary, and did so with someone who I thought was slightly above rand scum (and still do).

M2H’s strongarming of the massclaim feels scum-sided to me. If town are resistant to massclaim it’s usually for a good reason, such as being A LITERAL REVIVER or something. I think M2H identified the resistance, understood that town has some broken shit, and did everything she could to out those roles. Combine that with the bad pushes on Emerald, pulsar, and me (but yes the push on Emerald is just bad in its reasoning I could believe Emerald is scum) and I don’t think M2H is having a remotely good day. Her posting already dropped off a cliff in solving quality by about mid D1.
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Tbc the fact that neither happened doesn’t mean much cos Skipper and Neon stayed tied and close the whole day so Alice simply didn’t factor in. I don’t think we learned anything about Neon or Alice’s alignments out of it.
 
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