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I'm really, really sorry you fail to understand how Scolipede is overwhelmingly more effective, bulky, and supportive than Ninjask. It's futile to pretend Ninjask can do what Scolipede can do. It's foolish to think he is an adequate replacement, despite several people across this entire thread...
To answer your question bluntly, a lot. We lose Baton Pass the move across all Pokemon and all tiers, and we lose the strategy of Baton Pass across all teams, and we lose the Baton Pass archetype across all styles of play.
Notice how Swift Swim + Drizzle is a complex ban, not a blanket ban...
The move doesn't auto-win, so banning the move is unnecessary and unfair.
Auto-Win: clicking "play" and instantly winning 100% of the time, with no player able to influence that decision.
Baton Pass, the strategy, doesn't auto-win. Yes, it exacerbates the matchup component: the opponent either...
Baton Pass doesn't auto-win. It's a move that simply allows the user to switch out, with advantages over manual switches; momentum, boost passing, evading Pursuit and other forms of trapping.
A Baton Pass chain does exacerbate the matchup component, undeniably, but it doesn't auto-win before a...
It's undeniably true Weather dominated Gen V. You made cold hard facts: too many threats to Baton Pass were common in Gen V, where it has since vanished, with or without Scolipede. However, your calculations are not only irrelevant, but unfair.
Ninetales vs Scolipede would be a poor matchup for...
Oh, I happen to agree Scolipede, in of itself, isn't broken either. It's the people who make ignorant presumptions, instead of actually reading my arguments, that think I find Scolipede broken by itself. He isn't broken; his Uber-like support for the chain makes the playstyle overcentralizing...
I think it's been shown over the course of this entire thread that no decision has been made. Haunter himself said he preferred a complex ban in this case; he did not say that is the final decision, and he has encouraged discussion for other, perhaps more effective solutions. (His own opinion is...
I seem to be under the impression a Baton Pass clause means Scolipede + Espeon + Sylveon/Smeargle + 3 other non-supportive, non-synergistic Pokemon. In short, the chain archetype is killed, and it's reduced to a half-Pass team at best. Smogon wishes to make the archetype more managable, not kill...
It's relatively easy to say "Scolipede is relatively easy to stop" but remains a falsehood. Scolipede's two hard counters in OU are indeed Mega Pinsir and Talonflame, but nothing much else prevents Scolipede from supporting the chain overwhelmingly. Scolipede can scout regular Taunt/Encore with...
Rowdog, why can't you comprehend the simple fact I never said Smogon won't initiate a complex ban, but rather they are reluctant to do so unless absolutely necessary? Complex bans and special clauses are on the table, but only if they are necessary and efficient.
Yes; let's discuss how to...
Smogon as in the Council, a group of individuals, so are.
I don't act like I speak for the Council; the Council have spoken for themselves, that being they are reluctant to issue complex bans and special clauses unless absolutely necessary, and prefer the more simple, efficient standard ban...
Bold font hopes to encourage people to actually read and understand the arguments.
There's a multitude of reasons Baton Pass is so much stronger this Gen. Obviously, so care to mention them? Let's list Baton Pass' new tools: Speed Boost Scolipede, Sylveon, Mr Mime retyping. Am I missing...
Not only have I explained several times, but many others have thoroughly discussed why Ninjask is inferior and completely irrelevant in this discussion. I'm sorry you choose to blatantly ignore the explanations. It's actually depressing people are trying to logically and fairly class Ninjask...
I did refute it: read my arguments. And I didn't act like anything; I just presented my arguments for the very real possibility of Scolipede's ban, and refuted other people's absurd arguments for the complex ban of Ingrain, Aqua Ring, etc.
Haunter has not actually made a decision, nor has the...
Because I refuted your arguments, and find them weak and misinformed, you take it as an "ad hominem." To the man, I never insulted or flamed you personally; I just destroyed your arguments.
1. Smogon is reluctant to write a complex ban, especially a useless one such as "Aqua Ring + Ingrain +...