Announcement RU Community Surveys & Results

[Feliburn]

Hey all. Following last gen's tradition, we'll start implementing community surveys that will help the council see how the players feel about the metagame, and take appropriate steps moving forward. We'll also be sharing a summary of the results, so keep an eye on this thread.

Starting with our first survey of the generation following the Flamigo ban. You can find it HERE.

We've decided to take a look at a few mons that have been talked about in recent times, including both popular Oricorio forms (mainly Pom-Pom, and Sensu to a lesser degree), Cetitan (and snow in general), Weavile, and Slowbro. These mons are all defining pieces in today's RU metagame, and they warrant a further look into their effect on the tier. We've also included a general Terastalization question just to get an idea of how the community feels about it, as we are rather curious, but there's no immediate action on it anytime soon.

This poll will be open until the 29th or the 30th, depending on when the replies stop coming. Thanks in advance for participating!

 

[Feliburn]

BETTER LATE THAN NEVER.

I'll be focusing on the main points of the survey. Just to get it out of the way, people did not feel very strongly about Slowbro (RIP), Weavile and Oricorio Sensu.

Replies

Next, it seems people find the current RU tier enjoyable, and I'm guessing it only got better with the newest tier shifts (at least I feel that way). Slowbro rising, and Iron Thorns and Grafaiai dropping give the meta a new level of complexity, and it becomes less reliant on fat cores to win games.

Now for the big bad bullies of the metagame. People feel pretty strongly about doing something about Cetitan and Oricorio Pom-Pom. In Cetitan's case, people mentioned how the Pokémon itself is the issue rather than Snow itself, which seems accurate. The RU council has already discussed the next steps, and we'll be posting an update on this shortly!

Replies

When asked about other problematic Pokémon, we got maybe every single RU tiered Pokémon mentioned ROFL. The most common answers were Krookodile, Cloyster and Revavroom, but none was common enough to warrant any side discussion. Also, shoutout to this one guy:

And finally, it seems the most common thought about Beraldo is that he is... bald? But that he is generally a nice guy!!

 

[EviGaro]

The second RU survey of the gen is out!

There are a lot of options available that we would like everyone to consider, but to be clear this isn't anywhere close to a voting slate for us. We would just rather have as much opinions on as many points as possible. Hence also a question about the remaining RUBL that we did not vote unban on as Home drops happened. For somewhat obvious reasons, we not going to vote on the other RUBL mons - Gyarados and such - for the time being, so they are not included.

Survey should be open for the week!

 

[EviGaro]

Alright, here are the results of the last survey:

Replies

- People seem to mostly enjoy the metagame, which considering how few bans we made and a new DLC is encouraging. Competitive level is lower though but not by much.
- Interestingly, no option really stands out. Armarouge and Bisharp both have near 70% of the replies within the 3-5 range, which makes some sense according to a lot of discussion being held, but neither really gain a lot of traction in the five range. Therefore it's very difficult to see either as a valid option towards speedy action.
- On the opposite end, Diancie and Wo-Chien find themselves with near 60% of the voters in the 1-2 range. This might related to the idea that people are generally more lukewarm to target balance staples, as they're more required to give the tier some structure than the big offensive threats. However, Wo-Chien also gets the highest proportion of "5" votes. While it's still fairly small, it does speak of some polarization in how the mon is viewed.
- On the "something else" spectrum, Kilowattrel and nothing lol were tied for the lead. Kilowattrel had a fairly good post about it, so it's not that surprising. An option that garnered less interest, Thundurus-I, did get a major buff in the DLC. Does that change minds? In the other options, both Slither Wing and Typhlosion-Hisui got three votes. Those are all very small numbers, however.
- On RUBL:

Not everyone voted (COULD SOMEONE HAVE TOLD ME I FORGOT TO MAKE THE QUESTION MANDATORY) but Zarude ran away with it, Should this be retested?
- With regards to Pentathlon, I did see some concerns about the tour, and other options suggested, like one Ubers is doing or the way UU makes their players remove a gen. I think on the latter this already happens in Generations though, and the point of this tour wasn't necessarily to get to an optimal format that we already have somewhere else, but to make it something else that makes all the gens unavoidable. Of course, it's very similar to Generations, more specifically the older version of it when current gen had to be included, but out of the options we had it was the most popular and easiest to fit. I am not sure if it will be back in the same way, since it fit a very specific need for this year, but there was also some positive feedback. Though one user said it favours dinosaurs, but like a lot of zoomers did very well in that tour? Ok Ajna won but like
- Wally is still searching for the users who called him "lame" and a "fraud". Anyone who has seen them is suggested to enter contact with the offended party.

In general though, we did speak about this survey in RU Council for the last two days. Like most of the playerbase though, we don't particularly feel strongly about anything so far, except maybe some push on Armarouge too. If you did feel strongly enough on some mons that you put them drastically above the mean, I do encourage you to talk about it in the metagame discussion thread! Also, I did mention it with Thundurus-I, but has the DLC changed your answers?

 

[EviGaro]

The third survey is out!

As SCL nears its end, the survey is a bit more focused on trends that ended up concerning to those builders in the later stages. As such, the combo of Magnezone and Fezandipiti took off during that tour, and both mons offer qualities that make them worthy of a closer look, with Magnezone's incredible power boosted by specs or Fezandipiti's bulk and ability to set up with an incredible ability. Iron Jugulis and Lycanroc-Dusk were recently unbanned, and both have been excellent since. Zoroark-Hisui and Maushold were both voted on by the Council, and we would like to ask others for their opinion on them.

I'll try to collect responses next Friday!!!!

 

[Yourwelcomethanku]

Here are the results of the survey that was released on the twenty fifth of November

Most users seem to find the metagame fairly competitive and generally enjoyable, with most results for enjoyability at an eight and competitiveness generally being six or higher.

Enjoyability and Competitiveness

To summarize the ranks: Fezandipiti and Magnezone are the lowest, Lycanroc-Dusk is kind of in the middle, Horoark is ranked highly, and Iron Jugulis and Maushold are the highest. I will also note that Yanmega got an additional 19 votes as an other pick.

As for speculation on why people may have answered the way they did: Magnezone and Fezandipiti kind of go together, with Magnezone trapping Tinkaton for Fezandipiti and allowing it to sweep. However, outside of trapping Magnezone is an alright wallbreaker with decent defensive utility. It can even fail in its goal of trapping if its main target, Tinkaton, elects for Bulldoze. Fezandipiti getting ranked lowly may be a result of people seeing Magnezone as the perpetrator by enabling Fezandipiti. Fezandipiti can thrive against bulky teams with a physically defensive Taunt Calm Mind set but it's also not invincible, may need to commit to terastallization to sweep, and it isn't super immediately threatening in of itself.

Lycanroc-Dusk got decent support but not enough to support any action. It's pretty straightforward as a really strong wallbreaker or sweeper but it does have checks like Hippowdon and Quagsire, and on Choice Band sets, it may need to predict, while Swords Dance could struggle to set up.

Horoark is a fast and powerful wallbreaker that causes mindgames with Illusion, so it's unsurprising to see it with high support.

The highest is Maushold, then Iron Jugulis. Maushold is extremely annoying since it sort of obligates you to run a Rocky Helmet or Ghost, else you suffer against its powerful boosted Population Bombs. Iron Jugulis is extremely fast and powerful; with Booster Energy and being able to resist Accelerock by terastallizing, few Pokemon can outspeed and revenge kill it. Between its STAB moves and Earth Power, it threatens just about everything from Chesnaught, to Slither Wing, to Magnezone, to Slowbro, and it's extremely difficult to wall. On top of this, its forth moveslot can make it even more difficult to handle. Taunt can prevent Waters from recovering or clicking Toxic against it, and Charge Beam or Work Up can give Iron Jugulis a boost. Iron Jugulis is probably the single best late game cleaner in the metagame, and it can be a potent wallbreaker too.

The survey results + the opinions of the council have culminated in the Iron Jugulis suspect test that is already up.

Ninetales, Torterra, Politoed, and Yanmega all got decent to high (in Yanmega's case) amounts of votes but these results aren't really relevant. Nothing very notable in the something else answers either.

Ranking of Pokemon

The support to unban Zarude was really split, and it's likely that Zarude is going to stay banned until the shifts hit RU in February. We didn't use the qualified users thing this time around, but a decent amount of qualified users seem to have participated.

Zarude and Qualified Users

 

[Feliburn]

Is that our FOURTH SURVEY OF THE GEN?!?!?!?!

Following Zarude's ban, we wanted to gauge the community's opinion on the current top threats in the metagame. The mons listed in this survey have been deemed by the council to be the top breakers in the current meta, and as such we'd like to know how everyone feels about these mons, so we can see what the appropriate course of action is.

We are hosting a separate survey with the recent high placing tournament players to kind of see how the current meta differentiates in both tour play and ladder.

Thanks for voting!

 

[Feliburn]

Alright, so here are the results of the survey. For some context, we hosted a separate form for "qualified players". These players are those who have qualified for the RULT playoffs, or made it to the top 16 of the ongoing RU seasonal.

Qualified Voters

Non-Qualified Voters

• On average, the tier seems to be considered a 7 in both competitiveness and enjoyable.
• Hoopa-Unbound was considered the biggest issue in both the qualified and nonqualified forms. Instant action has been taken already, and you can see the result here.
• Following Hoopa-Unbound, the qualified voters had Enamorus-Therian ranked as the second most dangerous mon, while the nonqualified had Iron Leaves. It's still up in the air what the right course of action moving forward is, but just know that we have our eyes on these mons.
• Thundurus-Therian and Revavroom received very mixed votes, with the average being a 3/5 by the qualified players, and a 4/ by the nonqualified players.
• Besides these mons, people also put Blastoise listed a lot under other threats to keep an eye on. We also had other votes like the fat psychic types and stuff like Maushold and Cobalion, but Blastoise was mentioned the most.
• Feliburn-Hisui is either considered an upgrade or a fraud, there was no in between.

 

[EviGaro]

Hlelo, with Thundurus-Therian being gone from the tier, we promised following action on the state of the tier and the RU Council wants your opinion on four specific mons:

- Iron Leaves
- Enamorus-Therian
- Reuniclus
- Slowbro.

Thank you for sharing your votes here!

 

[feen]

Hi,

Here are the latest tiering survey results:

Qualified Survey

General Survey

• The average player considers the tier to be 6.5 for enjoyment and ~6.4 for competitiveness of the tier, which is a slight below the last survey.
• Iron Leaves was considered to be the biggest threat in both forms, averaging about 4.04 for general and a whopping 4.64 for qualified survey. This warrants a tiering action, which is done here.
• Enamorus-Therian has been listed as the second biggest threat, with an average of 3.63 for general and 3.78 for qualified survey. As such, we will be hosting a suspect test on Enamorus-Therian.
• There is a discrepancy between the general and qualified survey regarding Reuniclus (2.67 and 3) and Slowbro (2.44 and 3.14). The council will be keeping a close eye on these Pokemon in the future for any tiering actions.
• Other than these Pokemon, a lot of the users listed Revavroom, Blastoise, and Okidogi (in that order) to be potentially problematic Pokemon in the tier. Some users also listed Jirachi and the highly abusable paraspam teams it encourages. As mentioned above, we will be keeping a close eye on the tier as more rounds of RUPL, RUGL, and RU Open go on.

 

[feen]

Hi, we're doing another community survey with the following Pokemon being highlighted specifically:

- Slowbro
- Blastoise
- Revavroom
- Okidogi
- Jirachi

Partake in the survey here!

 

[feen]

Hi everyone,

Here are the survey results:

General Survey

How enjoyable do you find the current SV RU tier?

Average: 6.650793651

How competitive do you find the current SV RU tier?

Average: 6.666666667

What is your opinion on Slowbro in the current metagame?

Average: 5.031746032

What is your opinion on Blastoise in the current metagame?

Average: 6.095238095

What is your opinion on Revavroom in the current metagame?

Average: 5.761904762

What is your opinion on Okidogi in the current metagame?

Average: 5.777777778

What is your opinion on Jirachi in the current metagame?

Average: 4.761904762

Qualified Survey

How enjoyable do you find the current SV RU tier?

Average: 7.269230769

How competitive do you find the current SV RU tier?

Average: 6.846153846

What is your opinion on Slowbro in the current metagame?

Average: 5.538461538

What is your opinion on Blastoise in the current metagame?

Average: 6.961538462

What is your opinion on Revavroom in the current metagame?

Average: 5.461538462

What is your opinion on Okidogi in the current metagame?

Average: 5.576923077

What is your opinion on Jirachi in the current metagame?

Average: 4.346153846

1. The average enjoyment and competitiveness of the tier has risen since last survey, which shows we are taking a step in the right direction!
2. Slowbro is surprisingly not deemed suspect worthy, with an average too low to consider it to have any form of tiering action.
3. Blastoise on the other hand has received an average of 6.09 and 6.96 in the general and qualified survey respectively, which is normally the borderline for it to qualify for a suspect test. However, since we will be having a major tier shift in 2 weeks, we think the best option is to wait for that and see how the tier settles.
4. Other mons did not really get a high score so we're not going to do any tiering action.
5. For other responses, a couple mentioned Armarouge and Bisharp, we shall see how they fare post tier shift.

tl;dr tier is fine, enjoy having only 2 viable hazard controls for two more weeks.

 

[feen]

Hello!

We are doing a community survey! The following Pokemon will be in our watchlist:








Respond to the survey HERE.

 

[feen]

We feel that we have enough responses to the survey, so we're publishing the results!

Overall Enjoyment
General: 7.05
Qualified: 8.11

Overall Competitiveness
General: 7.02
Qualified: 7.89

Both the Enjoyment and Overall Competitiveness of the tier has risen since the last survey, which is great!


General: 5.95
Qualified: 7.11

With ~6 and ~7 from general and qualified playerbase respectively, Yanmega will be suspect tested in the near future.


General: 5.56
Qualified: 5.63

I personally thought Bisharp would score higher considering the amount of support for suspecting it. It seems that the playerbase has learned to adapt to it.


General: 4.71
Qualified: 4.32

Slowbro is just too consistent to score higher, I can see why general playerbase would rate it higher, but every team should have an answer to it and the numbers show that it's not too overbearing.


General: 4.51
Qualified: 4.63

Similar to Slowbro, Suicune is also adapted by the playerbase.


General: 4.12
Qualified: 4.63

Maushold is just one of those mons that can steal away games, but the numbers show us that tiering action is not needed in the near future.


General: 4.78
Qualified: 5.89

The qualified playerbase numbers are much higher than the general playerbase, we will monitor Armarouge's place in the tier after the Yanmega suspect test.

Out of other Pokemon council should look into, Volcanion and Revavroom have received the most votes, with Hisuian-Goodra receiving the second most. One person also suggested taking a look into Feliburn 's discord account, rightfully so.

Stay tuned for the suspect test and thank you for responding to the tiering survey!

 

[feen]

Hello!

We are doing a community survey and will be looking at the following Pokemon specifically:



Respond to the survey HERE

 

[TheFranklin]

A week has passed and we got almost 80 repsonses on the survey. time to see the results!
Keep in mind everything is on a scale from 1-7.

Overall Enjoyment
General: 5.09
Qualified: 5.58

Overall Competitiveness
General: 5.03
Qualified: 5.26

Relatively similar to last survey results.


General: 4.05
Qualified: 4.16


General: 4.21
Qualified: 3.79


General: 4.66
Qualified: 3.95


General: 3.62
Qualified: 3.42


General: 3.34
Qualified2.37


General: 3.00
Qualified: 2.53


Out of the pokemon listed there is a clear top 3 among participants in Bisharp, Armarouge, and Mamoswine. It is important to note that for each of the three the votes were very split (I will add histograms later). Both saw a lot of 1's and a lot of 7's. None of the three stand out as viewed completely broken by the entire community as they as just crack the average of 4.

In the other suggestions Zoroark-Hisui got quite some mentions. Slowbro and Goodra-Hisui also got mentioned more than once.
The RU council will discuss if any tiering action is necessary based on the results of this survey.

Stay tuned and thank you for responding to the tiering survey!

 

[feen]

What a beautiful day to participate in the new RU Survey! We are looking at , , , and .

>>CLICK HERE FOR THE SURVEY<<​

 

[feen]

Here are the survey results:

Overall Enjoyment
General: 7.3
Qualified: 7.4

Overall Competitiveness
General: 7.3
Qualified: 7.2

This indicates that the tier is at a great place right now, it is a significant rise from the last survey.

Here are the percentage of users that support tiering action on the Pokemon highlighted on the survey:


General: 38.8%
Qualified: 56.5%


General: 53.7%
Qualified: 56.5%


General: 40.7%
Qualified: 13%


General: 50.9%
Qualified: 21.7%

We can clearly see a high support for tiering action on Oricorio-Pom-Pom, and so it will be the next suspect! We will keep an eye on Bisharp and Volcanion, as the qualified and general votes respectively are higher, but the other one is not.

Out of Pokemon not listed and users want the council to look at, was highlighted the most, followed by a smaller margin of players wanting . Suicune is on our radar and we will include in future tiering surveys if it continues to be at the level it currently is, Gyarados isn't a big issue for us at the moment.
One user also posted:
"will i be mocked if i say ditto?"

 

[feen]

New tiering survey is out! We are looking at

>>CLICK HERE FOR SURVEY<<​

 

[feen]

Here are the survey results:

Overall Enjoyment (Out of 5)
General: 3.2
Qualified: 3.4

Overall Competitiveness (Out of 5)
General: 3.1
Qualified: 3.5

This indicates that the tier is at a good place right now, while not as high as the previous survey, but it did not drop significantly. Main reasons are losing three of the staple RU mons this shift in Galarian Weezing, Fezandipiti, and Slither Wing

Here are the percentage of users that support tiering action on the Pokemon highlighted on the survey:


General: 40.4%
Qualified: 28.6%


General: 34.0%
Qualified: 35.7%


General: 53.2%
Qualified: 35.7%


General: 40.4%
Qualified: 28.6%

Out of Pokemon that were mentioned, Galarian Zapdos got 10 mentions, Gyarados got mentioned 8 times, Hisuian Lilligant got 7 mentions. We will be keeping an eye on them as well as the 4 Pokemon listed in the survey.

None are high enough to justify a suspect test, and so we will not be doing anything.