TEAM DUMP AND VR
The official Noglastica 100% dissatisfaction guaranteed Modern Gen 2 viability ranking. Yes, every single mon is ranked in the exact order I think they belong in. What is the 61st best Pokemon in MG2? Moltres. On a genuine note, thank you to pannu for playing MG2, I know it's not a tier that you signed up for, but I'm glad we picked you. Yes, we had a rough regular season, but you won in poffs and that's really when it matters.
Whole Teamdump: here
Edit: added sprites to the team review and also added like half of the teams because I just forgot to add them. Oops!
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Conclusion:
My haters try to put me down saying I'm "bad," "washed," or "carried," but we all know that I'm the greatest builder ever seen in this tier. If you don't think these mons are good, then you are probably not good yourself. Consider that before typing.
The official Noglastica 100% dissatisfaction guaranteed Modern Gen 2 viability ranking. Yes, every single mon is ranked in the exact order I think they belong in. What is the 61st best Pokemon in MG2? Moltres. On a genuine note, thank you to pannu for playing MG2, I know it's not a tier that you signed up for, but I'm glad we picked you. Yes, we had a rough regular season, but you won in poffs and that's really when it matters.
Whole Teamdump: here
Edit: added sprites to the team review and also added like half of the teams because I just forgot to add them. Oops!
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Latios - bullshit mon. one of the best defensive options in the tier, one of the best offensive pivots in the tier, one of the best offensive breakers in the tier, and one of the best offensive sweepers in the tier. It can run whatever it wants and there’s nothing you can do about it.
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Zapdos - bullshit mon. one of the best defensive options in the tier, and one of the best offensive options in the tier. It also can run whatever it wants whether that is brave bird, hp grass, hp ice, uturn, volt switch, heat wave, toxic, thunder wave, it doesn’t matter, you will lose. I put it over flutter because it feels like theres not one check that covers every set it can run.
Flutter Mane - bullshit mon. Just a wincon that is so annoying and you can’t revenge it with anything because it’s literally just faster than everything else in the tier. Yes it has 55 55 phys bulk which is literally its only weakness. It can run 10 different moves to kill whatever your “check” is supposed to be.
A+
Tapu Fini - Kinda the guy now. Super chill vibes, great defensively, great offensively. Scald is undroppable (I will never run surf) and then you can pick whatever 3 moves you want and it doesn’t matter. Stalk cm is ok, I love stalk STABs, but my fav is stabs + ibeam + cm because they never expect the moonblast on cm and it hits so much stuff.
Slither Wing - I originally had it over fini but fini gets hard walled by less stuff imo. Now that mew is gone, slither fip actually does more than 55% to super effectives so there’s even more reason to run it. It matches up super well into like 3/4 of the mons listed below it, and revenges the best mon in the tier.
248 Atk Slither Wing First Impression vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Latios: 276-326 (76 - 89.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I love lead slither because you matchup well into pretty much everything except for zapdos so you can often just wisp t1 for free. Insect plate guarantees OHKO on toed when its normally like a 12% roll, and it lets you threaten latios better as well.
248 Atk Insect Plate Slither Wing First Impression vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Latios: 332-392 (91.4 - 107.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Fip is why you run it and I don’t like dropping cc because every team has at least one steel type you don’t want to get walled by. Heavy slam is real if you’re weak vs flutter, I think those 3 + morning sun is a legit set. I prefer wisp > slam for more versatility, and flutter doesn’t want to switch into wisp anyway. Eq is ok albeit much more mu reliant than the other sets. BU I still think is good and underused. A final point is that even if you did load into something that you just instalose to, you can sometimes still just chip it into fip range and win so. That’s nice.
Walking Wake - This guy is still so broken and constantly getting disrespected. Yes fini usage is at an all time high, yes empoleon usage is at an all time high, but so many teams are just not running anything else that can switch into him. STABs is a guarantee, and then you can run whatever last and it will work. Flip + flame is most common and probably best, I love knock + roar with lefties, and stalk is technically real as well but super niche I think. High latios usage sucks as well because ppl will always have something to revenge, but latios is also like the most prepped for mon in the tier so you should already have a plan to switch into that, right?
A
Iron Boulder - The other guy getting disrespected like crazy. I don’t understand the drop in boulder appreciation. Literally the only counterplay teams have for him right now is slither. Boulder is so good right now, and made even better by the almost non-existent tusk usage, and the dropped gholdengo usage.
Heatran - Kinda “the” splashable guy for a defensive core. Rocks + flutter check while also resisting latios stabs is great. You get hit by super effective flip turn which sucks if they have it, and so much flutter means you can’t really run boom anymore and are forced into heavy slam. That being said, he still clicks rocks and wisp really well!
A-
Lucario-Mega - This guy (nog mon btw) is so cracked its just STABs + stone edge. I have no idea why I was running blaze kick as insane dengo cope when I could’ve been running stone edge. It’s faster than most things and the only really threatening revenger is sneasler (and iron boulder). But if those guys aren’t alive? GG unless you miss mash or something idk.
Meowscarada - I think it’s good but a little overrated right now. Flower trick is great vs fini in particular, and yes foul play is great against latios, and yes uturn and spikes are always good. But it also feels like it’s hard checked by so many other good mons in the tier like zapdos, like slither, like heatran. Yes you get spikes up and have a nice bailout option vs two of the top mons in the tier, but outside of that it’s somewhat underwhelming at times. I am nitpicking and it’s still a good mon, but I think I have it lower than others.
Ceruledge - Ok I literally don’t know what I’m supposed to do I build a team and go “it loses to ceruledge” like I swear to fucking god I don’t know what I’m supposed to do in order to check this mon at first I was like “it just dies to wake pump” but no it actually fucking doesn’t and then I’m like “ok just don’t hit it into salac range and ko it before it can” but then its fucking endure so no matter what I do its getting at LEAST +2 if not +4 and then literally every single fucking mon in the tier dies at +4 so do I just pray for a miss every time I literally don’t know. Ban this guy so I can stop worrying about it I just don’t want to have to prep for it.
Iron Moth - Ban latios so sunny day moth can come back. Until then, fire blast + uturn + tspikes + morning sun is still pretty good. Fire blast does insane damage against neutrals (roll to 2hko zap? Nothing else does that wtf) and you get an ok speed tier that removes opposing tspikes. Sunny day is still good. Ban latios.
Blacephalon - Fire blast + shadow ball are great STABs and hard to switch into. Rock types are always fairly uncommon in mg2, so being able to boom against waters which are frequently your only answer is great. Blace is still solid, though certainly falling out of favor.
Gholdengo - Checks literally every physical attacker in the fucking tier. I don’t really need to go into detail about him I don’t think.
Empoleon - Overrated imo. Still good because it checks known A+ rank mon Walky Wake and sets up rocks. Flip turn is fine, roar is fine. So many sets it can run. You could make a whole post about that. Loses longterm to latios which is what it’s commonly being used for, and loses short term if it’s tbolt.
Sneasler - Picks up and clicks tspikes. SD is good, don’t know why people were so obsessed with mediocre set switcheroo for months. Great as a speed control option imo against many of the faster things on the vr in front of it. No dire claw doesn’t really matter for it’s placement imo because it’s still doing the same thing, it’s just not robbing games anymore.
B+
Gastrodon - Another overrated mon imo because it “checks zapdos” even though it loses to grass (real!) and brave bird (extra real) at 75% or whatever. My favorite part is that it gets all the hazards. If you bring something like empoleon and you want double hazards, you have to pick a spiker to go alongside it. With gastro, you can pick whoever you want alongside it, and if its a rocker, you can give gastro spikes, and vice versa.
Garchomp - ANOTHER overrated mon to me. I mean it’s got good defensive typing against alot of things and gets spikes + rocks, but no recovery move (otherwise it would be giga broken), prone to wisp, and needs to run lefties... I’m just not a huge fan all the time.
Iron Treads - The only not shit spinner but also the one that gets spinblocked by literally every spinblocker in the tier outside of gholdengo. It’s fast which is nice and gets spin. It also is a great switchin for dengo! Unless you’re playing against r8’s focus punch set.
Kyurem-Black - I love this guy. Just hit your moves and it wins 100% of the time! Freeze-dry is so nice in this tier, latios spam is ass for it tbh because you just get draco’d but you are a super nice check for flutter mane who you can just setup on. You can also run non-dd but I am much less fond of that. Roost dd is also ok but I still prefer just freeze, fblast, stone edge, dd.
Metagross-Mega - Slam is just better than mash apparently even when non-mega so now there goes the element of missing
248 Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Latios: 153-181 (42.1 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
248 Atk Metagross Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Latios: 184-217 (50.6 - 59.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Fine defensive piece on offense, a solid speed option, and great bulk to shutdown sweepers if you need something to take a hit. Slam + boom are great, dunno what to do last. Eq + knock is fine, not a huge fan, but nothing else is too enticing. You have pup which feels eh, psychic noise can be ok too.
Gliscor - Still the same thing. Clicking knock and setting hazards.
Melmetal - I think he’s still a guy even if he’s not the guy. Defensively I think melm is better than mmeta because you’re not taking spikes every switchin and you actually do have a ground immunity which is great. You also do just have better bulk statistically speaking. You just go bash + twave always, then can be stalk or eq + boom.
Blissey - Checks literally every special attacker in the fucking tier. I don’t really need to go into detail about her I don’t think.
B
Great Tusk - Not a fan personally. Less boulder usage in particular means I’m less inclined to bring it. It can still spin but most people don’t even run it for spin unlike treads. Knock + eq is still good, cc is good, and you can run roar last which is my favorite, knock, or something like stone edge to hit zapdos or whatever you want.
Garganacl - I still think garg is a good mon. Harder to build with but so many teams will just get worn down by it. Lots of fighting types sucks, as do pivot moves, but it’s still viable. R8’s stalk + salt cure no 4th move is still kinda scary, curse can be annoying especially with less wake, stealth rocks, boom, sandstorm, block, ton of stuff it can run, all of which are ok. Psychic noise is so ass for it though.
Salamence - Mmence is obviously still good but also shoutout to regular boots mence. Not the meta to be using it because so much latios but whatever. The main advantage mmence has over other physical attacking megas is that it actually has recovery and is still incredibly bulky. If your plan is to just draco it, you literally do not kill, and if it’s roost, you can just lose to it.
Starmie - A better spinner than tusk but checks less stuff. I literally don’t know what to run because it is THE 4mss mon. Recover twave spin scald pump flip turn psychic ice beam thunderbolt i don’t know when does it end what do i do.
Latias - Can run based reflect type or mega or whatever you want. It’s just latios but worse offensively. The better bulk probably helps with stored power sets but outside of that it’s just latios 2.
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Kommo-o - Setup sweeper, super scary, something not really considered when building and you can really pay for it.
Volcanion - Goat boomspam mon. Nothing other than waters or dragons switchin, and both just die to boom. THE one for one mon.
Raging Bolt - Solid defensive piece if you just want to be stalk dtail. Can also use cm but that is underutilized (not saying it’s bad).
Chi Yu - Speaking of disrespected mons, Chi Yu is still a guy and I know charliezard would be disappointed to see where other people were ranking this. I still don’t know whether or not flame charge or sub salac is better, but both are still fine. Slither spam is bad for it though.
Kingambit - Honestly super chill guy and almost have to bring it on stall. Can just be knock + fplay + stalk or you can drop knock/stalk for rocks if you need to. I don’t think it’s particularly great but you hard wall stuff like latios which you obviously need to do, and especially on stall you need to have psychic noise immunities.
Thundurus-I - Super solid setup guy. Demolishes stuff with +2 tbolt + hp ice. Last slot can be volt/uturn/sub/taunt or some other thing I probably don’t know about.
Victini - Driftveil Drakloak mon. Vcreate + psychic + bolt strike + glaciate + wisp + uturn. Mon is a monster to try and switch into.
Deoxys-Defense - I still think it might be broken but nobody else has tried him yet. Demon set could be good, so much psychic noise usage does hurt you though, as does slither. Spikes + 32pp recover means it will be viable to me forever!
Tyranitar-Mega - Really solid option as a lastmon sort of sweeper. Yes there’s lots of good fighting types right now, but you’re sooo bulky you eat everything else. Stuff like gliscor you just can setup on because it 3hkos. Stone edge + dd are pretty much the only must brings, superpower is great, as is earthquake. Can probably run some janky sets like fire blast or ice beam or something.
Slowbro-Galar - Mbro is still fine. STABs + CM + slack. Set hasn’t changed, it’s always been a low usage mon, but I think it’s still fine.
Ferrothorn - Can check lots of stuff short term, but the issue is that it’s short term (and also relying on them not bringing rare fire type coverage). You do get boom, twave, spikes, rocks, knock, and gyro which actually does do really good damage, but you do just get worn down super easily as it’s knock bait and gets wisped alot.
Diancie - Mdia is still an ok option. You’re just running STABs + eq/mystical + boom I think, and yes you do still just lose to steels but it’s also still an ok mon. We haven’t seen non-mega in a while but it’s probably somewhat serviceable on stall still just running stalk + moonblast + whatever last.
Charizard - 3mm ran regular in the tour and it was fine but arguably just worse moltres, but then SEA ran yard which was good in tour as well. This might be low, might be high, but it shows some promise and we haven’t seen really anything from it yet. Kinda just a placeholder spot.
C+
Electrode-Hisui - Niche HO mon imo. STABs are tough to switch into but super walled by latios. You can go twave, volt, STABs, and boom. I usually go volt + grass + twave + boom which is super solid imo because ground immunities can’t really check you. Unfortunately your stats are awful so even your boom is missing OHKOs. I think tios takes like 75.
Archeops - Fine mon. Good offensively obviously, a solid lead with taunt and rocks. Aero but slower and roost! It also gets knock so if you want to enable something like mmence in the back by luring out the steels and knocking them, this is a good option to do that.
Shaymin-Sky - So much of the stuff it was used to revenge before has fallen out of favor (fraud wake check, boulder, moth). It’s still fast and clicks a 60% accuracy seed flare. Hp ice is fine, earth power is still ok even with reduced moth usage because tran is all running lefties now. I do believe grass whistle is ok as well.
Azelf - To me it’s still a suicide lead with boom + rocks + encore/taunt + whatever move you want. I tried plot once and didn’t like it so until I see otherwise it will still be just ok to me.
Toedscruel - Idk just pack a stalk mon big dog. It kinda does just take a mon off the enemy team unless they have stalk, and you get spikes + knock +earthquake + spin so it does click other stuff. Grass move is also annoying to switch into with the combination of knock + eq as well.
Gouging Fire - Shitmon but it’s good at being a shitmon. Checks zapdos pretty well and is also ok against flutter. Kinda has to run plume + dtail + stone edge + morning sun imo. Eq means you just dont really beat balloon flutter anymore unless you’re fishing for plume burn.
Reuniclus - Kinda like deod I think it has good stats and a really solid movepool. Knock + twave + psychic noise + 32pp recover is so nice to have. God if it had magic guard it would be so broken. You do just get status’d and knocked and psychic noised, and take a billion from hazards. Kinda feels like discount mew where once you force it out for the first time, it’s hard for it to come back in. Might be good with treads spin in a knock spam sort of team.
Roaring Moon - Previously a shitmon and maybe still a shitmon. It’s fast and can run a ton of stuff physical stuff. Did not know it had 139 attack.
Sinistcha - My favorite spinblocker. It gives a cm setup option that seems to just lose every time, BUT it does spinblock really well and can be super annoying for teams.
Cryogonal - the first of the new wave of osp mons. Cryogonal is fine as it gets to click freeze-dry/ice beam, knock, spin, recover, boom. Great spdf bulk.
Greninja - Spikes mon that clicks STABs + uturn well. Or taunt somewhere in the mix.
Goodra-Hisui - I still don’t know what to think about this guy. It walls like every good special attacker in the tier but it has to run stalk and I don’t know what to run in the other 2 slots other than knock + eq but that is literally horrible so.
Spectrier - stalk + wisp + night shade. R8 mon. its ok.
Aerodactyl - maero is solid but you don’t have a way to hit balloon steels so it 100% needs support there. What I do like about it is that you’re already fast pre-mega so unlike some other megas, the gen 6 mechanics aren’t horrible. You also don’t have to decide between dd and hone claws like mmence because you’re already fast so you always get to hit your moves at +1.
Hydreigon - 3mm mon. Dark types are rare and it gets roost which is nice. Rocks, stabs, fire blast, whatever. It’s niche but usable.
SEA
Genesect - Love this guy. Definitely not UR imo. Yes speed tier is so ass being 99 but you can just run uturn + boom + flame + ibeam and you do really well into balance/fat stuff imo.
Gengar - experimented a little with regular gar as a sneasler + slither switchin and it’s not great but usable. Mgar at +2 is still solid as well.
Talonflame - Fast wisp mon. Can run fire blast to hit stuff like mluc which is probably the better move, or you can run brave bird to hit sneasler. Uturn is technically optional, i just built stabs + wisp + roost and felt horrible about it.
Moltres - talonflame but slower but good bulk. Basically if you want talon niche on a fat team. It’s maybe a better mon but there’s more offense so talon fits on those and does better into them.
Zoroark-Hisui - Needs 1 more speed point to not be bad. Fast wisp also, sd is fine, super weak though defensively. Getting to switch into fighting types and ceru is nice.
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike - I still like this guy. Same with genesect it has a horrible speed tier but it’s still good against fat. Yes I know people aren’t really running a ton of fat and there’s a latios on every team but STABs + uturn + 1 is still usable.
Iron Hands - Zapdos check and it can run both knock and apparently sd. Honestly this is kinda just a “I trust SEA placement” more than anything. Therefore SEA tier. Sd cc double edge. Knock?
Iron Thorns - Every single team I want to bring this guy and then relive my entire life in half a second which consists of dozens of replays where I bring him and he just sets spikes and dies on turn 4. BUT. he has spikes. And also dd. Both are ass.
Clodsire - Hazard clicker. Idk I think it’s ok on stall or something.
Regieleki - The only mon here that I manually added. We do our vr’s as “any mon with usage since last vr + any mon ranked last vr.” Eleki fit neither of those criteria but I still think fastest mon in the tier with boom and spin is fine. Less treads usage is HUGE for this guy and in an era where teams are faster than ever, having THE fastest mon to boom revenge is 100% viable.
Minior- I’m going to be real I don’t know what it does differently than archeops and therefore it goes in the SEA rank.
Jellicent - Far and away the most polarizing mon on the most recent council vr as it got a B+ vote and a UR vote. It’s ok as a wisp distributor, but not particularly great at spinblocking long term. While that’s not horrible on its own, its the kind of mon that goes on teams where you need to spinblock long term. Better spinblockers and better whispers. Its only advantage over those others is that it checks more stuff as a water type imo.
Toxapex - I still think it’s fine. Great bulk obviously, just not the right tier for it. Clicks tspikes and knock and scald so. I will still consider using it on fat stuff.
Celesteela - Gun to my head and you ask me what does celesteela run, I will see you in the next life. This mfer keeps getting ranked for some unknown reason and nobody is running it but it gets brought like once every new vr and it wins with some random shit so. As long as boom is on the set it’s usable i guess. Ban this guy so we can remove it from the vr safely.
Celebi - Pretty ass mon. No wake means you can’t use it as a bad wake check either. Rocks twave 32pp recover otherwise this mon is UR.
Skarmory - I like him. He clicks hazards and roost. You can not ever take him from me. Skarm my beloved.
Hoopa-Unbound - STABs + sub + focus punch my beloved. You can also run nasty plot fire punch!
Scream Tail - defensive option with rocks twave encore and being fast is meh, but its a rare fairy type. Have also seen several variants of just stored power sets.
Ursaluna - Thief is meh bulk up is maybe ok. It’s so slow though! And I’m running my wake + skymin teams from a year ago!
Raikou - zapdos check drool emoji
C-
Suicune - discount fini
Primarina - discount fini 2 but with flip turn
Cyclizar - shed tail is legal guys don’t forget why is nobody else using it except for me it might be broken but we will never know because i am using it so obviously it loses
Glimmora - honestly i can see glim making a comeback with no mew and less gliscor. Yeah i know every team has a steel but suicide leads are so back (not really) and it gets all the hazards!
Coalossal - osp mon 2. STABs + boom + spin + hazards. Has alot of options but unfortunately it’s on a mon outsped by gastrodon and with niche defensive typing.
Ting-Lu - Big boy with hazards
Landorus-Incarnate - Big boy with knock + eq
Landorus-Therian - Big boy with knock + eq
Dragonite - Super niche defensive option on fat/stall stuff where you want heal bell or something. Also has twave dtail stuff.
Gallade-Mega - Idk it won so I’m ranking it. Next vr I’m guessing nobody will have brought it and I can happily put it UR until next solopl when SEA comes back and gets it banned.
Jirachi - nog mon I don’t care what qsns says. Good defensive typing and you can run cm!
Tapu Lele - see above but it can also just run more stuff like physical moonblast and natures madness and AROMATHERAPHY
Rotom - Adding this guy after finals. I can see it moving up a little to C or maybe even C+, it has some really nice matchups against some of the best mons in the tier, namely zapdos + slither. Also does really well vs non-cm fini. Probably does well vs even heatran as I doubt you’re 2hkod so you just get rest looped but its fine as you’re stalk. Psplit is ok as well. I can also see rotom dropping to UR next patch if the stuff it checks falls out of favor.
Houndoom-Mega - I love the doom you will have to shoot me to get me to put it UR.
Slowking - wake check for the ever common wake. It also gets twave and chilly reception and psychic noise so I will always respect what it does.
UR
Camerupt-Mega -
My Very Dear Mega Camel:
Indications are very strong that we shall vote in a new vr in a few days, perhaps to-morrow. Lest I should not be able to write you again, I feel impelled to write a few lines, that may fall under your eye when I shall be no more.
Our vr may be one of a few days duration and full of pleasure and it may be one of severe conflict and death to me. Not my will, but thine, O God be done. If it is necessary that I should fall on the battle-field for any country, I am ready. I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in, the cause in which I am engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know how strongly MG2 now leans upon the triumph of the council, and how great a debt we owe to those who went before us through the blood and suffering of the MG1, and I am willing, perfectly willing to lay down all my joys in this life to help maintain this format, and to pay that debt.
But, my dear camel, when I know, that with my own joys, I lay down nearly all of yours, and replace them in this life with care and sorrows, when, after having eaten for long years the bitter fruit of orphanage myself, I must offer it, as their only sustenance, to my dear little children, is it weak or dishonorable, while the banner of my purpose floats calmly and proudly in the breeze, that my unbounded love for you, my darling mega and nogmons, should struggle in fierce, though useless, contest with my love of country.
I cannot describe to you my feelings on this calm summer night, when two thousand men are sleeping around me, many of them enjoying the last, perhaps, before that of death, and I, suspicious that a flutter dnb is creeping behind me with his fatal dart, am communing with God, my country and thee.
I have sought most closely and diligently, and often in my breast, for a wrong motive in this hazarding the happiness of those I loved, and I could not find one. A pure love of my country, and of the principles I have often advocated before the people, and "the name of honor, that I love more than I fear death," have called upon me, and I have obeyed.
Mega Camel, my love for you is deathless. It seems to bind me with mighty cables, that nothing but Omnipotence can break; and yet, my love of country comes over me like a strong wind, and bears me irresistibly on with all those chains, to the battlefield. The memories of all the blissful moments I have spent with you come crowding over me, and I feel most deeply grateful to God and you, that I have enjoyed them so long. And how hard it is for me to give them up, and burn to ashes the hopes of future years, when, God willing, we might still have lived and loved together, and seen our boys grow up to honorable manhood around us.
I know I have but few claims upon Divine Providence, but something whispers to me, perhaps it is the wafted prayer of my little Mega Heracross, that I shall return to my loved ones unharmed. If I do not, my dear Camel, never forget how much I love you, nor that, when my last breath escapes me on the battle-field, it will whisper your name.
Forgive my many faults, and the many pains I have caused you. How thoughtless, how foolish I have oftentimes been! How gladly would I wash out with my tears, every little spot upon your happiness, and struggle with all the misfortune of this world, to shield you and my children from harm. But I cannot, I must watch you from the spirit land and hover near you, while you buffet the storms with your precious little freight, and wait with sad patience till we meet to part no more.
But, O Mega Camel, if the dead can come back to this earth, and flit unseen around those they loved, I shall always be near you in the garish day, and the darkest night amidst your happiest scenes and gloomiest hours always, always, and, if the soft breeze fans your cheek, it shall be my breath; or the cool air cools your throbbing temples, it shall be my spirit passing by.
Mega Camel, do not mourn me dear; think I am gone, and wait for me, for we shall meet again.
As for my nog mons, they will grow as I have done, and never know a father's love and care. Little Tatsugiri is too young to remember me long, and my blue-eyed Reuniclus will keep my frolics with him among the dimmest memories of his childhood. Mega Camel, I have unlimited confidence in your maternal care, and your development of their characters. Tell my two mothers, I call God's blessing upon them. O Mega Camel, I wait for you there! Come to me, and lead thither my children.
- Noglastica
Decidueye - ass
Dhelmise - I literally typed UR by accident instead of Dhelmise this mon is so ass (nog mon)
Golisopod - sd fip and spikes is kinda real but its also unfortunately ass
Iron Jugulis - ass
Jolteon - raikou if i wanted it to be worse
Swampert - ass
Uxie - ass (no boom (so i hear))
Xurkitree - ass
Latios - bullshit mon. one of the best defensive options in the tier, one of the best offensive pivots in the tier, one of the best offensive breakers in the tier, and one of the best offensive sweepers in the tier. It can run whatever it wants and there’s nothing you can do about it.
S-
Zapdos - bullshit mon. one of the best defensive options in the tier, and one of the best offensive options in the tier. It also can run whatever it wants whether that is brave bird, hp grass, hp ice, uturn, volt switch, heat wave, toxic, thunder wave, it doesn’t matter, you will lose. I put it over flutter because it feels like theres not one check that covers every set it can run.
Flutter Mane - bullshit mon. Just a wincon that is so annoying and you can’t revenge it with anything because it’s literally just faster than everything else in the tier. Yes it has 55 55 phys bulk which is literally its only weakness. It can run 10 different moves to kill whatever your “check” is supposed to be.
A+
Tapu Fini - Kinda the guy now. Super chill vibes, great defensively, great offensively. Scald is undroppable (I will never run surf) and then you can pick whatever 3 moves you want and it doesn’t matter. Stalk cm is ok, I love stalk STABs, but my fav is stabs + ibeam + cm because they never expect the moonblast on cm and it hits so much stuff.
Slither Wing - I originally had it over fini but fini gets hard walled by less stuff imo. Now that mew is gone, slither fip actually does more than 55% to super effectives so there’s even more reason to run it. It matches up super well into like 3/4 of the mons listed below it, and revenges the best mon in the tier.
248 Atk Slither Wing First Impression vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Latios: 276-326 (76 - 89.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I love lead slither because you matchup well into pretty much everything except for zapdos so you can often just wisp t1 for free. Insect plate guarantees OHKO on toed when its normally like a 12% roll, and it lets you threaten latios better as well.
248 Atk Insect Plate Slither Wing First Impression vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Latios: 332-392 (91.4 - 107.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Fip is why you run it and I don’t like dropping cc because every team has at least one steel type you don’t want to get walled by. Heavy slam is real if you’re weak vs flutter, I think those 3 + morning sun is a legit set. I prefer wisp > slam for more versatility, and flutter doesn’t want to switch into wisp anyway. Eq is ok albeit much more mu reliant than the other sets. BU I still think is good and underused. A final point is that even if you did load into something that you just instalose to, you can sometimes still just chip it into fip range and win so. That’s nice.
Walking Wake - This guy is still so broken and constantly getting disrespected. Yes fini usage is at an all time high, yes empoleon usage is at an all time high, but so many teams are just not running anything else that can switch into him. STABs is a guarantee, and then you can run whatever last and it will work. Flip + flame is most common and probably best, I love knock + roar with lefties, and stalk is technically real as well but super niche I think. High latios usage sucks as well because ppl will always have something to revenge, but latios is also like the most prepped for mon in the tier so you should already have a plan to switch into that, right?
A
Iron Boulder - The other guy getting disrespected like crazy. I don’t understand the drop in boulder appreciation. Literally the only counterplay teams have for him right now is slither. Boulder is so good right now, and made even better by the almost non-existent tusk usage, and the dropped gholdengo usage.
Heatran - Kinda “the” splashable guy for a defensive core. Rocks + flutter check while also resisting latios stabs is great. You get hit by super effective flip turn which sucks if they have it, and so much flutter means you can’t really run boom anymore and are forced into heavy slam. That being said, he still clicks rocks and wisp really well!
A-
Lucario-Mega - This guy (nog mon btw) is so cracked its just STABs + stone edge. I have no idea why I was running blaze kick as insane dengo cope when I could’ve been running stone edge. It’s faster than most things and the only really threatening revenger is sneasler (and iron boulder). But if those guys aren’t alive? GG unless you miss mash or something idk.
Meowscarada - I think it’s good but a little overrated right now. Flower trick is great vs fini in particular, and yes foul play is great against latios, and yes uturn and spikes are always good. But it also feels like it’s hard checked by so many other good mons in the tier like zapdos, like slither, like heatran. Yes you get spikes up and have a nice bailout option vs two of the top mons in the tier, but outside of that it’s somewhat underwhelming at times. I am nitpicking and it’s still a good mon, but I think I have it lower than others.
Ceruledge - Ok I literally don’t know what I’m supposed to do I build a team and go “it loses to ceruledge” like I swear to fucking god I don’t know what I’m supposed to do in order to check this mon at first I was like “it just dies to wake pump” but no it actually fucking doesn’t and then I’m like “ok just don’t hit it into salac range and ko it before it can” but then its fucking endure so no matter what I do its getting at LEAST +2 if not +4 and then literally every single fucking mon in the tier dies at +4 so do I just pray for a miss every time I literally don’t know. Ban this guy so I can stop worrying about it I just don’t want to have to prep for it.
Iron Moth - Ban latios so sunny day moth can come back. Until then, fire blast + uturn + tspikes + morning sun is still pretty good. Fire blast does insane damage against neutrals (roll to 2hko zap? Nothing else does that wtf) and you get an ok speed tier that removes opposing tspikes. Sunny day is still good. Ban latios.
Blacephalon - Fire blast + shadow ball are great STABs and hard to switch into. Rock types are always fairly uncommon in mg2, so being able to boom against waters which are frequently your only answer is great. Blace is still solid, though certainly falling out of favor.
Gholdengo - Checks literally every physical attacker in the fucking tier. I don’t really need to go into detail about him I don’t think.
Empoleon - Overrated imo. Still good because it checks known A+ rank mon Walky Wake and sets up rocks. Flip turn is fine, roar is fine. So many sets it can run. You could make a whole post about that. Loses longterm to latios which is what it’s commonly being used for, and loses short term if it’s tbolt.
Sneasler - Picks up and clicks tspikes. SD is good, don’t know why people were so obsessed with mediocre set switcheroo for months. Great as a speed control option imo against many of the faster things on the vr in front of it. No dire claw doesn’t really matter for it’s placement imo because it’s still doing the same thing, it’s just not robbing games anymore.
B+
Gastrodon - Another overrated mon imo because it “checks zapdos” even though it loses to grass (real!) and brave bird (extra real) at 75% or whatever. My favorite part is that it gets all the hazards. If you bring something like empoleon and you want double hazards, you have to pick a spiker to go alongside it. With gastro, you can pick whoever you want alongside it, and if its a rocker, you can give gastro spikes, and vice versa.
Garchomp - ANOTHER overrated mon to me. I mean it’s got good defensive typing against alot of things and gets spikes + rocks, but no recovery move (otherwise it would be giga broken), prone to wisp, and needs to run lefties... I’m just not a huge fan all the time.
Iron Treads - The only not shit spinner but also the one that gets spinblocked by literally every spinblocker in the tier outside of gholdengo. It’s fast which is nice and gets spin. It also is a great switchin for dengo! Unless you’re playing against r8’s focus punch set.
Kyurem-Black - I love this guy. Just hit your moves and it wins 100% of the time! Freeze-dry is so nice in this tier, latios spam is ass for it tbh because you just get draco’d but you are a super nice check for flutter mane who you can just setup on. You can also run non-dd but I am much less fond of that. Roost dd is also ok but I still prefer just freeze, fblast, stone edge, dd.
Metagross-Mega - Slam is just better than mash apparently even when non-mega so now there goes the element of missing
248 Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Latios: 153-181 (42.1 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
248 Atk Metagross Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Latios: 184-217 (50.6 - 59.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Fine defensive piece on offense, a solid speed option, and great bulk to shutdown sweepers if you need something to take a hit. Slam + boom are great, dunno what to do last. Eq + knock is fine, not a huge fan, but nothing else is too enticing. You have pup which feels eh, psychic noise can be ok too.
Gliscor - Still the same thing. Clicking knock and setting hazards.
Melmetal - I think he’s still a guy even if he’s not the guy. Defensively I think melm is better than mmeta because you’re not taking spikes every switchin and you actually do have a ground immunity which is great. You also do just have better bulk statistically speaking. You just go bash + twave always, then can be stalk or eq + boom.
Blissey - Checks literally every special attacker in the fucking tier. I don’t really need to go into detail about her I don’t think.
B
Great Tusk - Not a fan personally. Less boulder usage in particular means I’m less inclined to bring it. It can still spin but most people don’t even run it for spin unlike treads. Knock + eq is still good, cc is good, and you can run roar last which is my favorite, knock, or something like stone edge to hit zapdos or whatever you want.
Garganacl - I still think garg is a good mon. Harder to build with but so many teams will just get worn down by it. Lots of fighting types sucks, as do pivot moves, but it’s still viable. R8’s stalk + salt cure no 4th move is still kinda scary, curse can be annoying especially with less wake, stealth rocks, boom, sandstorm, block, ton of stuff it can run, all of which are ok. Psychic noise is so ass for it though.
Salamence - Mmence is obviously still good but also shoutout to regular boots mence. Not the meta to be using it because so much latios but whatever. The main advantage mmence has over other physical attacking megas is that it actually has recovery and is still incredibly bulky. If your plan is to just draco it, you literally do not kill, and if it’s roost, you can just lose to it.
Starmie - A better spinner than tusk but checks less stuff. I literally don’t know what to run because it is THE 4mss mon. Recover twave spin scald pump flip turn psychic ice beam thunderbolt i don’t know when does it end what do i do.
Latias - Can run based reflect type or mega or whatever you want. It’s just latios but worse offensively. The better bulk probably helps with stored power sets but outside of that it’s just latios 2.
B-
Kommo-o - Setup sweeper, super scary, something not really considered when building and you can really pay for it.
Volcanion - Goat boomspam mon. Nothing other than waters or dragons switchin, and both just die to boom. THE one for one mon.
Raging Bolt - Solid defensive piece if you just want to be stalk dtail. Can also use cm but that is underutilized (not saying it’s bad).
Chi Yu - Speaking of disrespected mons, Chi Yu is still a guy and I know charliezard would be disappointed to see where other people were ranking this. I still don’t know whether or not flame charge or sub salac is better, but both are still fine. Slither spam is bad for it though.
Kingambit - Honestly super chill guy and almost have to bring it on stall. Can just be knock + fplay + stalk or you can drop knock/stalk for rocks if you need to. I don’t think it’s particularly great but you hard wall stuff like latios which you obviously need to do, and especially on stall you need to have psychic noise immunities.
Thundurus-I - Super solid setup guy. Demolishes stuff with +2 tbolt + hp ice. Last slot can be volt/uturn/sub/taunt or some other thing I probably don’t know about.
Victini - Driftveil Drakloak mon. Vcreate + psychic + bolt strike + glaciate + wisp + uturn. Mon is a monster to try and switch into.
Deoxys-Defense - I still think it might be broken but nobody else has tried him yet. Demon set could be good, so much psychic noise usage does hurt you though, as does slither. Spikes + 32pp recover means it will be viable to me forever!
Tyranitar-Mega - Really solid option as a lastmon sort of sweeper. Yes there’s lots of good fighting types right now, but you’re sooo bulky you eat everything else. Stuff like gliscor you just can setup on because it 3hkos. Stone edge + dd are pretty much the only must brings, superpower is great, as is earthquake. Can probably run some janky sets like fire blast or ice beam or something.
Slowbro-Galar - Mbro is still fine. STABs + CM + slack. Set hasn’t changed, it’s always been a low usage mon, but I think it’s still fine.
Ferrothorn - Can check lots of stuff short term, but the issue is that it’s short term (and also relying on them not bringing rare fire type coverage). You do get boom, twave, spikes, rocks, knock, and gyro which actually does do really good damage, but you do just get worn down super easily as it’s knock bait and gets wisped alot.
Diancie - Mdia is still an ok option. You’re just running STABs + eq/mystical + boom I think, and yes you do still just lose to steels but it’s also still an ok mon. We haven’t seen non-mega in a while but it’s probably somewhat serviceable on stall still just running stalk + moonblast + whatever last.
Charizard - 3mm ran regular in the tour and it was fine but arguably just worse moltres, but then SEA ran yard which was good in tour as well. This might be low, might be high, but it shows some promise and we haven’t seen really anything from it yet. Kinda just a placeholder spot.
C+
Electrode-Hisui - Niche HO mon imo. STABs are tough to switch into but super walled by latios. You can go twave, volt, STABs, and boom. I usually go volt + grass + twave + boom which is super solid imo because ground immunities can’t really check you. Unfortunately your stats are awful so even your boom is missing OHKOs. I think tios takes like 75.
Archeops - Fine mon. Good offensively obviously, a solid lead with taunt and rocks. Aero but slower and roost! It also gets knock so if you want to enable something like mmence in the back by luring out the steels and knocking them, this is a good option to do that.
Shaymin-Sky - So much of the stuff it was used to revenge before has fallen out of favor (fraud wake check, boulder, moth). It’s still fast and clicks a 60% accuracy seed flare. Hp ice is fine, earth power is still ok even with reduced moth usage because tran is all running lefties now. I do believe grass whistle is ok as well.
Azelf - To me it’s still a suicide lead with boom + rocks + encore/taunt + whatever move you want. I tried plot once and didn’t like it so until I see otherwise it will still be just ok to me.
Toedscruel - Idk just pack a stalk mon big dog. It kinda does just take a mon off the enemy team unless they have stalk, and you get spikes + knock +earthquake + spin so it does click other stuff. Grass move is also annoying to switch into with the combination of knock + eq as well.
Gouging Fire - Shitmon but it’s good at being a shitmon. Checks zapdos pretty well and is also ok against flutter. Kinda has to run plume + dtail + stone edge + morning sun imo. Eq means you just dont really beat balloon flutter anymore unless you’re fishing for plume burn.
Reuniclus - Kinda like deod I think it has good stats and a really solid movepool. Knock + twave + psychic noise + 32pp recover is so nice to have. God if it had magic guard it would be so broken. You do just get status’d and knocked and psychic noised, and take a billion from hazards. Kinda feels like discount mew where once you force it out for the first time, it’s hard for it to come back in. Might be good with treads spin in a knock spam sort of team.
Roaring Moon - Previously a shitmon and maybe still a shitmon. It’s fast and can run a ton of stuff physical stuff. Did not know it had 139 attack.
Sinistcha - My favorite spinblocker. It gives a cm setup option that seems to just lose every time, BUT it does spinblock really well and can be super annoying for teams.
Cryogonal - the first of the new wave of osp mons. Cryogonal is fine as it gets to click freeze-dry/ice beam, knock, spin, recover, boom. Great spdf bulk.
Greninja - Spikes mon that clicks STABs + uturn well. Or taunt somewhere in the mix.
Goodra-Hisui - I still don’t know what to think about this guy. It walls like every good special attacker in the tier but it has to run stalk and I don’t know what to run in the other 2 slots other than knock + eq but that is literally horrible so.
Spectrier - stalk + wisp + night shade. R8 mon. its ok.
Aerodactyl - maero is solid but you don’t have a way to hit balloon steels so it 100% needs support there. What I do like about it is that you’re already fast pre-mega so unlike some other megas, the gen 6 mechanics aren’t horrible. You also don’t have to decide between dd and hone claws like mmence because you’re already fast so you always get to hit your moves at +1.
Hydreigon - 3mm mon. Dark types are rare and it gets roost which is nice. Rocks, stabs, fire blast, whatever. It’s niche but usable.
SEA
Genesect - Love this guy. Definitely not UR imo. Yes speed tier is so ass being 99 but you can just run uturn + boom + flame + ibeam and you do really well into balance/fat stuff imo.
Gengar - experimented a little with regular gar as a sneasler + slither switchin and it’s not great but usable. Mgar at +2 is still solid as well.
Talonflame - Fast wisp mon. Can run fire blast to hit stuff like mluc which is probably the better move, or you can run brave bird to hit sneasler. Uturn is technically optional, i just built stabs + wisp + roost and felt horrible about it.
Moltres - talonflame but slower but good bulk. Basically if you want talon niche on a fat team. It’s maybe a better mon but there’s more offense so talon fits on those and does better into them.
Zoroark-Hisui - Needs 1 more speed point to not be bad. Fast wisp also, sd is fine, super weak though defensively. Getting to switch into fighting types and ceru is nice.
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike - I still like this guy. Same with genesect it has a horrible speed tier but it’s still good against fat. Yes I know people aren’t really running a ton of fat and there’s a latios on every team but STABs + uturn + 1 is still usable.
Iron Hands - Zapdos check and it can run both knock and apparently sd. Honestly this is kinda just a “I trust SEA placement” more than anything. Therefore SEA tier. Sd cc double edge. Knock?
Iron Thorns - Every single team I want to bring this guy and then relive my entire life in half a second which consists of dozens of replays where I bring him and he just sets spikes and dies on turn 4. BUT. he has spikes. And also dd. Both are ass.
Clodsire - Hazard clicker. Idk I think it’s ok on stall or something.
Regieleki - The only mon here that I manually added. We do our vr’s as “any mon with usage since last vr + any mon ranked last vr.” Eleki fit neither of those criteria but I still think fastest mon in the tier with boom and spin is fine. Less treads usage is HUGE for this guy and in an era where teams are faster than ever, having THE fastest mon to boom revenge is 100% viable.
Minior- I’m going to be real I don’t know what it does differently than archeops and therefore it goes in the SEA rank.
Jellicent - Far and away the most polarizing mon on the most recent council vr as it got a B+ vote and a UR vote. It’s ok as a wisp distributor, but not particularly great at spinblocking long term. While that’s not horrible on its own, its the kind of mon that goes on teams where you need to spinblock long term. Better spinblockers and better whispers. Its only advantage over those others is that it checks more stuff as a water type imo.
Toxapex - I still think it’s fine. Great bulk obviously, just not the right tier for it. Clicks tspikes and knock and scald so. I will still consider using it on fat stuff.
Celesteela - Gun to my head and you ask me what does celesteela run, I will see you in the next life. This mfer keeps getting ranked for some unknown reason and nobody is running it but it gets brought like once every new vr and it wins with some random shit so. As long as boom is on the set it’s usable i guess. Ban this guy so we can remove it from the vr safely.
Celebi - Pretty ass mon. No wake means you can’t use it as a bad wake check either. Rocks twave 32pp recover otherwise this mon is UR.
Skarmory - I like him. He clicks hazards and roost. You can not ever take him from me. Skarm my beloved.
Hoopa-Unbound - STABs + sub + focus punch my beloved. You can also run nasty plot fire punch!
Scream Tail - defensive option with rocks twave encore and being fast is meh, but its a rare fairy type. Have also seen several variants of just stored power sets.
Ursaluna - Thief is meh bulk up is maybe ok. It’s so slow though! And I’m running my wake + skymin teams from a year ago!
Raikou - zapdos check drool emoji
C-
Suicune - discount fini
Primarina - discount fini 2 but with flip turn
Cyclizar - shed tail is legal guys don’t forget why is nobody else using it except for me it might be broken but we will never know because i am using it so obviously it loses
Glimmora - honestly i can see glim making a comeback with no mew and less gliscor. Yeah i know every team has a steel but suicide leads are so back (not really) and it gets all the hazards!
Coalossal - osp mon 2. STABs + boom + spin + hazards. Has alot of options but unfortunately it’s on a mon outsped by gastrodon and with niche defensive typing.
Ting-Lu - Big boy with hazards
Landorus-Incarnate - Big boy with knock + eq
Landorus-Therian - Big boy with knock + eq
Dragonite - Super niche defensive option on fat/stall stuff where you want heal bell or something. Also has twave dtail stuff.
Gallade-Mega - Idk it won so I’m ranking it. Next vr I’m guessing nobody will have brought it and I can happily put it UR until next solopl when SEA comes back and gets it banned.
Jirachi - nog mon I don’t care what qsns says. Good defensive typing and you can run cm!
Tapu Lele - see above but it can also just run more stuff like physical moonblast and natures madness and AROMATHERAPHY
Rotom - Adding this guy after finals. I can see it moving up a little to C or maybe even C+, it has some really nice matchups against some of the best mons in the tier, namely zapdos + slither. Also does really well vs non-cm fini. Probably does well vs even heatran as I doubt you’re 2hkod so you just get rest looped but its fine as you’re stalk. Psplit is ok as well. I can also see rotom dropping to UR next patch if the stuff it checks falls out of favor.
Houndoom-Mega - I love the doom you will have to shoot me to get me to put it UR.
Slowking - wake check for the ever common wake. It also gets twave and chilly reception and psychic noise so I will always respect what it does.
UR
Camerupt-Mega -
My Very Dear Mega Camel:
Indications are very strong that we shall vote in a new vr in a few days, perhaps to-morrow. Lest I should not be able to write you again, I feel impelled to write a few lines, that may fall under your eye when I shall be no more.
Our vr may be one of a few days duration and full of pleasure and it may be one of severe conflict and death to me. Not my will, but thine, O God be done. If it is necessary that I should fall on the battle-field for any country, I am ready. I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in, the cause in which I am engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know how strongly MG2 now leans upon the triumph of the council, and how great a debt we owe to those who went before us through the blood and suffering of the MG1, and I am willing, perfectly willing to lay down all my joys in this life to help maintain this format, and to pay that debt.
But, my dear camel, when I know, that with my own joys, I lay down nearly all of yours, and replace them in this life with care and sorrows, when, after having eaten for long years the bitter fruit of orphanage myself, I must offer it, as their only sustenance, to my dear little children, is it weak or dishonorable, while the banner of my purpose floats calmly and proudly in the breeze, that my unbounded love for you, my darling mega and nogmons, should struggle in fierce, though useless, contest with my love of country.
I cannot describe to you my feelings on this calm summer night, when two thousand men are sleeping around me, many of them enjoying the last, perhaps, before that of death, and I, suspicious that a flutter dnb is creeping behind me with his fatal dart, am communing with God, my country and thee.
I have sought most closely and diligently, and often in my breast, for a wrong motive in this hazarding the happiness of those I loved, and I could not find one. A pure love of my country, and of the principles I have often advocated before the people, and "the name of honor, that I love more than I fear death," have called upon me, and I have obeyed.
Mega Camel, my love for you is deathless. It seems to bind me with mighty cables, that nothing but Omnipotence can break; and yet, my love of country comes over me like a strong wind, and bears me irresistibly on with all those chains, to the battlefield. The memories of all the blissful moments I have spent with you come crowding over me, and I feel most deeply grateful to God and you, that I have enjoyed them so long. And how hard it is for me to give them up, and burn to ashes the hopes of future years, when, God willing, we might still have lived and loved together, and seen our boys grow up to honorable manhood around us.
I know I have but few claims upon Divine Providence, but something whispers to me, perhaps it is the wafted prayer of my little Mega Heracross, that I shall return to my loved ones unharmed. If I do not, my dear Camel, never forget how much I love you, nor that, when my last breath escapes me on the battle-field, it will whisper your name.
Forgive my many faults, and the many pains I have caused you. How thoughtless, how foolish I have oftentimes been! How gladly would I wash out with my tears, every little spot upon your happiness, and struggle with all the misfortune of this world, to shield you and my children from harm. But I cannot, I must watch you from the spirit land and hover near you, while you buffet the storms with your precious little freight, and wait with sad patience till we meet to part no more.
But, O Mega Camel, if the dead can come back to this earth, and flit unseen around those they loved, I shall always be near you in the garish day, and the darkest night amidst your happiest scenes and gloomiest hours always, always, and, if the soft breeze fans your cheek, it shall be my breath; or the cool air cools your throbbing temples, it shall be my spirit passing by.
Mega Camel, do not mourn me dear; think I am gone, and wait for me, for we shall meet again.
As for my nog mons, they will grow as I have done, and never know a father's love and care. Little Tatsugiri is too young to remember me long, and my blue-eyed Reuniclus will keep my frolics with him among the dimmest memories of his childhood. Mega Camel, I have unlimited confidence in your maternal care, and your development of their characters. Tell my two mothers, I call God's blessing upon them. O Mega Camel, I wait for you there! Come to me, and lead thither my children.
- Noglastica
Decidueye - ass
Dhelmise - I literally typed UR by accident instead of Dhelmise this mon is so ass (nog mon)
Golisopod - sd fip and spikes is kinda real but its also unfortunately ass
Iron Jugulis - ass
Jolteon - raikou if i wanted it to be worse
Swampert - ass
Uxie - ass (no boom (so i hear))
Xurkitree - ass
I definitely forgot to include some of the teams in here so just steal from the teamdump at the top of the post.
- W1 team
W1 went dengo > melm because its obviously more durable and it checks all the random physical attackers I thought you might see from osp. Also was brainstorming the idea of grass whistle skymin because skymin still gets walled by a bunch of stuff no matter what set you bring, and hitting non balloon fires is super nice so i hate dropping ep. Grass whistle lets you bsaically just claim one vs offense. But if theyre bringing wake and this is presumably the wake switchin, you end up having to synthesis anyway. Also was considering gleam
248 Atk Shaymin-Sky Dazzling Gleam vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Latios: 136-162 (37.4 - 44.6%) -- 59.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, 1 layer of Spikes, and Leftovers recovery
W1 team 2 is, as lialiabeast rightfully pointed out, kinda farmed by fini. Latios is broke and i like pairing it with wake if you can (+ fire resist which i expected fire spam) dengo is same as reason aboe osp likes his physical attackers and boulder. Slither helps that mu and is good. Also checks the grounds which is nice to check! Empo wake check thorns is flutter check fire reisst spikes. Idk. maybe wants tran and you throw in spiker over empo + wake check if that exists? Meow??? Whatever, we’re on to cincinnati.
W2: Original plan was to bring malt which could’ve been really nice once you get rid of heatran as it was dd roost moon eq which kinda ran through their team. You can also just knock off tran which works really well here too. Some knock lure + malt could be really nice, whether thats cryogonal or something else idk, but hitting the heatrans, empoleons, and gholdengo is super nice.
Thorns balance w2 was the first team i came up with. Tox empo does super well into all the common switchins for empo like zap and sometimes flutter. Qsns has a ton of spin usage so sinistcha looked good here, and it does ok into cm fini (not super well though because taunt you can just lose against, and ice beam hurts as well). Main reason I didn’t want to bring this team was because it was straight up 6-0d by sunny day moth and kinda by taunt fini as well. I then built the malt broken spam HO team which probably would’ve been fine.
I then began trying to build fatter stuff that pannu actually asked for and I had been wanting to bring deod since the preseason, and I also thought garg was pretty underrated, so I began looking at that pairing. Taunt deod seemed ok to me at the time because you’re faster than taunt fini and I was ready for a taunt fini, and in the lead spot you can taunt other stuff so it’s not horrible. I was also becoming obsessed with spinblocking on a fat team like this so I came up with this:
It’s surely ass but it’s actually got really solid calcs against the common spinners. The only thing you don’t really spinblock is dhelm but that mon is ass anyway so. I ended up building 4 teams around deod, they’re all pretty similar variants that sought to fix the bad mu’s on other teams, but then created their own bad mu’s, so I just wanted to bring the one that had the least bad mu’s into what qsns usually brings.
I built this appropriately titled team and this was actually the team I kinda wanted pannu to bring but it does immediately lose to sunny day moth. Double spinblock is kinda crazy r8 type cope but I do think sinistcha is ok and I wanted something that did ok into both iron boulder and flutter. Roar + knock wake I think is still super cool because you can kinda just knock whenever it comes in and hit whatever checks, then you can roar it out next time pretty safely and they’re taking massive hazard damage. Wake is already tough to switch into so odds are that you’re roaring them out into something else that a) doesn’t threaten you b) dies to you. We ended up going with the double cm setup team
which I’ll admit I was not a huge fan of this team but I thought “deod probably just wins so it doesn’t matter.” Unfortunately it did not win.
Other Teams:
:Deoxys Defense:
W3: I was also super obsessed with bringing mega sceptile and really wanted to bring it because on paper it did super well but in test games I’m pretty sure it lost literally every single game so decided against it! Pannu this week requested lefties “cm flutter in da back + some offensive lead to pressure steels / spdef bulky mons”
I was also super stuck on what to build this week. Week 2 was just “i have so many not great ideas but at least I have ideas” but this week was just a struggle to build something I didn’t think was completely horrible. Final version
Ended up being this team which I actually think is really solid. In hindsight, team is probably pretty zap weak but so is literally every team. You have plenty of outs against latios which is really nice, and qsns came up with protect tapu fini to get lefties and also avoid boom + scout stuff. It ended up having an exceptionally good matchup because 3mm brought sunny day moth and let us stall out the sun turns which basically let fini win on the spot. I spent significantly more time on the ban flutter video than I did for actually building this week. I also didn’t scout 3mm because I scouted qsns heavily and kinda built based on their scout as opposed to building something good and using their scout to tweak it. Same with osp, he didn’t really have anything to scout, but I figured he would bring certain mons which, outside of boulder, he didn’t bring what I expected, and we got a bad matchup. Pannu also kinda rolled me while he was using this team in test games so I think it’s actually really solid, and I also really love slither lead. I think it’s so good. I also was not worried about spore lead guy because we had stalk melm in the back who can absorb it and you can then just go back into slither on a knock/spikes.
W4: I did decide to scout SEA this time with a MASSIVE sample size of 4 games (more than osp) (I threw out the week 1 games because those teams were not good) and saw there was quite a bit of cm spam. I also went into the week knowing I wanted to bring kyub because that mon is good into flutter and I didn’t think SEA knew about it because I’m pretty sure it hadn’t been brought during solopl2. I also had noticed SEA cheats on wake checks because they bring broken latios who can just revenge happily every time.
Pannu requested “i wanna play lead maero boom heatran wake” so I made sure to pass a team with no aero and non-boom heatran. Pannu also showed a strong tendency during test games to boom with heatran (the only flutter check) and then immediately lose to flutter. Pannu also I think realized I’m ass at this tier this week and tried building their own thing but apparently they’re worse because they kept losing to me in test games so they gave up on building.
So that was a fucking lie. This was also like the 3rd consecutive week that Lialiabeast said to bring ttar and I actually considered it but it didn’t have a good mu into anything r8 brings really so. Idk if he forgot but then pannu requested “knock gliscor dd malt” or as I put it “standard gliscor and standard malt.” I also kinda procrastinated building so oops. I wasn’t a huge fan of that team I built though so I did suggest against it. The team we ended up bringing I built literally Sunday before the week was released in about 5 minutes but I really liked the core and I still think it’s pretty good. I ended up making 2 malt variants of it for pannu if they wanted to bring that, and I built a glisc + malt team that they asked for but that was definitely my least favorite of the teams because it is also 6-0d by taunt fini. Kyub > malt lets you drop heatran because you do much better into flutter. In hindsight, I don’t know if it matters as pretty much all the teams lose to ceruledge so gg.
- the team
W5- I had to pack and move and drive 18 hours across the country this week so I was much less active than normal. Pannu said “i will laod whatever u think si good.” so naturally I passed reuniclus + fist plate boulder. I think the team itself is definitely fine, I built it between cleaning my oven and cleaning my shower on Monday morning so obviously I put a ton of time on it. I thought fist plate boulder was actually ok because you get some really nice rolls on stuff, the main mon I was thinking about was melmetal, but you also hit a bunch of stuff like gastro for a good amount of extra damage. The stuff that checks boulder is usually the stuff that you need the cc damage on, not cleave damage boost. Reuni was just like every single move is really good so surely it is also good. I also passed reuni in mg4 this week, and bp was planning on bringing reuni as well so I was hoping for a Jubilife Jinx reuniclus spam week but that didn’t happen as bp deadgamed and mg4 reuni was unrevealed. I was also terrified of bb zap this week because r8 brought it last week and I, along with I’m pretty sure everyone else though: “well that’s broken.” So obviously I also brought it this week. That was literally the one thing I had in the builder was “bring bb zap +5.”
☆retro gen 2: u asked me for a game to load twave reuniclus
Semifinals:
What nog as your builder does to a mfer.
I spent like 48 hours of my life trying to convince r8 to join our discord just so I could ignore them (the main goal was just to prevent them from helping anyone else) but when r8 joined they kinda took over building which was great because if we lost I could blame them. I didn’t really contribute much this week on building, I kinda just encouraged scald over surf on fini, and sent the team to qsns for their thoughts who said heavy slam > mash on meta because even non-mega you get the 120bp on latios which turns it from a 49% max roll on mash to like 50% min roll with slam. And you get to not miss. My other main contribution was convincing r8 to not pass pannu a team with mimikyu on it. It also meant I could focus more on mg4 as we now had someone else to contribute in mg2 as previously it was basically just me talking to myself.
Finals:
Built a ton of stuff, mainly for fun and not for pannu tbh. R8 and qsns were still doing stuff I wasn’t a fan of many of their earlier concepts so I was just building whatever and seeing what worked.
- for fun, wanted to do pretty much only UR stuff. I wanted to build flareon because its gen 2 sprite is easily the cutest sprite I’ve ever seen but unfortunately it’s kinda ass. SD FIP haxorus is probably not shit but it’s UR so I was allowed to bring it, drifblim to spinblock tspikes and tatsugiri to spin and just be the fucking goat. ALSO I WANTED TO BUILD MEGA SABELEYE WHO IS BROKEN TRUST.
- brought back classic boomspam. Not super complicated just click rocks if you can and boom t2. If you cant, just boom t1 and you have rocks on tran as well. Double rocks is the only heat here other than the camel. Basically kill everything and then hope slither + malt win. Malt should be fine because alot of the stuff I think that you imagine gets saved for last like latios, wake, flutter, meow, alot of the really good mons in the meta just lose to malt. Malt can just run over so many teams and god I wish it had permanent typing because I’d use it defensively so much in this tier but teams naturally have at least 1 check built in unconsciously so it’s not busted.
- SEA mu fish, i wouldnt bring this ever and its also probably not good, but i wanted to experiment a little with some fat stuff. I do think qsns is right, kingambit is really solid (at least on paper) right now, and the best latios check. It also does feel almost required on stall which is funny after mew ban.
- we’ve been talking about copycat meow since r8 joined the jinx discord and I wanted to give it a try. The original plan was meow + treads so I could theoretically have two spinners with copycat and then bring something that could abuse no rocks up like yard or malt. Ended up wanting defensive utility and just removed yard for molt and removed treads for literally any other mon. I also brought reversal sneasler which I got from jumpheart.
- literally just took the 6 mons i ranked the highest on my vr and put them on a team because it probably isnt horrible (loses to zap)
- mmeta has two main weaknesses imo outside the obvious one time mega issue. The first is that it’s hard walled by dengo unless you run knock + eq which I don’t want to have to run on my 145 attack mega who already has 4mss. The second is that it gets chipped super heavily by hazards as you have no recovery, lefties, or balloon. Treads fixes both of these as you get to have hazard removal and you are one of the most reliable dengo switchins. Gar was originally sneasler but I realized I was super sneasler and slither weak so I put gar because I also wanted to keep tspikes. No more sneasler meant I was worse against flutter now, and a little worse vs latios. I didn’t think that I could deal with latios and flutter with just mmeta, and I lose immediately to zapdos, so I went gouging who can beat flutter + zap and let mmeta just deal with latios with fini and treads.
- at the time of writing this I hopefully will be improving this team because I posted a replay vs 3mm and pannu said it was fire so I want to make it more reliable so I am not running fucking STABs talonflame. I was originally inspired by 3mm who was saying we can’t use exclusively empo as a lati check because it sporadically runs tbolt, and then I’m like, the only two wake checks getting used right now are fini and empo, and fini is running cm more than stalk. Both are also used to switch into latios as well, and both obviously get smashed by tbolt + psychic noise. Combined with wake, wake should have theoretically very few checks. I also wanted to run tspikes because knock + tspikes wake is broken, and I think roar + knock wake is sooo good against balance stuff when you’re roaring out their 1 wake check and not roaring in anything faster that threatens you out. Mmeta because I think it’s a nice defensive option on an offensive team, tran for rocks + additional flutter and latios support, meow helps vs fini and latios and gives me my tspikes. I now lose to basically every fighting type in the tier, so I wanted a mluc, slither, and sneasler switchin. The only thing I liked on this offensive type of team was talon and I don’t even like talon here I literally just voted it UR, AND you have to run STABs because you need bb to actually beat sneasler because I don’t want to just rely on wisp hitting, and you need fire blast to beat mluc so you don’t immediately lose if you miss wisp. You can make it flame > fblast but the flamethrower calc is so ass even though you need chip to kill anyway with fire blast so that is also ass.
248 SpA Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 248 SpD Lucario-Mega: 270-318 (78.7 - 92.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
248 SpA Talonflame Flamethrower vs. 248 HP / 248 SpD Lucario-Mega: 212-252 (61.8 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
248 Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Sneasler: 308-366 (84.8 - 100.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
- ok so I did try to improve the team but unfortunately i just made it worse. Instead of losing to zapdos you lose to flutter and latios but that’s ok. Raikou because i needed to replace c rank talon with c rank raikou. GSC RAIKOU BEING USED TO CHECK GSC ZAPDOS????
- So many times I said during the week “I am sneasler weak, I am slither weak, and I am mluc weak. I’m in trouble if they bring one, and I giga lose if they bring two.” Then I’m like “nog you don’t have to bring the same 6 mons every week, you can building something new for once” so I decided to bring just the three broken fighting types and say “you can’t check all of them, right?” I’d love to be SD sneasler or BU slither or something but you really want to lure in dengo with both and get wisp + switcheroo on it for mluc who is the wincon. Team is super zapdos weak because you’re obviously bringing 3 fighting types immediately and I wanted to just bring a core of zap + ferro + gastro. Zap and ferro make the fini mu better, and zap + gastro should be ok enough at stopping you from losing to zapdos when it gets loaded. Team feels super mu fish where you can just instalose vs stuff but that’s also kinda what slither is for to help in that department. I think mluc + another fighting type that can help vs dengo is good, that’s probably switcheroo sneasler and you want to drop slither for something that can make your team actually good and not just mu fish.
- IDK AT THIS POINT IM JUST CHUCKING GUYS IN A BUILDER I DONT KNOW HOW TO BUILD STALL?? Gastro is good, bliss, dengo, and kingambit are basically required on stall. Bramble i couldnt condense a hazard into a spinblocker and spinner (i almost had to run shitmon dhelm but i have to run arguably worsemon bramble) because i also needed tox on bliss because mfing flutter just wins without it (you take like 30 from +4 so you do beat it unless its taunt but that is just dated now) and rwash is because having a third ghost is surely enough to spinblock right chat? And also nice zap switchin and its annoying for some of the common physical attackers in the tier so.
- the rotom grind continues. R8 wanted sneasler + wake which they thought did well vs the SEA scouter. Then its just kinda an ok core which i feel like i’ve built 30 times already. This is the team we actually ended up bringing for some unknown reason. Pannu thought it was fine and was winning in tests with it so whatever. I’m writing this before they even play so we will see how it goes, but I don’t have high hopes. It’s still sneasler + wake, sneasler has a super nice speed tier which helps against alot of stuff. Treads is our dengo switchin for sneasler + I wanted to bring spin this week because we have literally 0 spin usage. Fini is good, heatran is good, both help shore up the latios matchup a little bit along with treads. Rotom sucks to bring and I kinda laughed at r8 because they built a rwash team earlier. I didn’t like it partly because I thought the rest of the team was bad, part of it was I didn’t like the rwash set, and part of it because it had rwash on it. And yet here I am. Rwash does well against the stuff this team is weak to, mainly zapdos who you hard wall forever, and you stop the scary fighting types from clicking SD in your face. I predict this team loses to ceruledge.
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- COAL FOR DOUBLE HAZARDS AND BOOM AND THREATEN THE STEELS WHO WANT TO CMOE IN ON BOOM. CROWN BECAUSE CROWN IS THAT GUY. MLUC IS ALSO HIM. SLITHER BECAUSE OH SHIT I PROBABLY GET FARMED BY LATIOS WITHOUT IT. FINI BECAUSE YEAH THATS A BROKEN MON. THUNDY I BECAUSE IM LIKE I LOSE TO ZAPDOS AND YOU STILL DO BUT YOU CAN TAUNT ITS TWAVE SO THATS COOL
- it was originally steelix over ferro but i couldn’t actually justify steelix over ferro so i had to ditch it. I dont fucking know what this is, r8 once again said “waaaa waaaa i need sneasler + wake” and I said “ok r8 I love you and respect your opinion” so I built this. It’s suicide lead that actually has some (some) defensive utility + boom, wake + sneasler because r8, broken mluc, fini because i kinda just put it 5th on every team now, and i couldn’t figure out the last spot so i just did a mon faster than mluc because uh oh chat we lose immediately to mluc (still do). idk if spin is better than uturn on it so figure that out yourself idk.
- stalk ortho no 4th move so you only click shed tail is so heat and you just go into the brokens and setup and theres no counterplay and its a wrap say gg. Coincidentally sneasler + wake! Crown is actually cracked behind a free sub imo cause then you can just cm immediately and then either cm again or id depending on what they go into. Cant really run balloon because the point is to sub from behind sub and it gets popped back there.
- idk i thought zap + wake was good because they can just keep turning on their checks and their teammate threatens out their check. Sneasler also helps with that but I also added it so I had some speed control. Treads just felt nice here, as did fini. I literally didn’t know what to put last so I put reuni and I don’t really know why. Hope this helps. Something else instead of reuni last and it might be ok.
- how many mg2 council members does it take to make a team? One because nobody is helping me. Pannu once again asked for maero and who i am to ignore their request for a fourth consecutive week? Froslass is supposed to lure the steels and wisp so they dont kill u back super well, tran and bu slither also threaten the steels, sneasler does too and it can switcheroo dengo or whatever, and fini is good. 3mm pointed out “you lose to zapdos” and this is true. BUT you have maero.
- W1 team W1 went dengo > melm because its obviously more durable and it checks all the random physical attackers I thought you might see from osp. Also was brainstorming the idea of grass whistle skymin because skymin still gets walled by a bunch of stuff no matter what set you bring, and hitting non balloon fires is super nice so i hate dropping ep. Grass whistle lets you bsaically just claim one vs offense. But if theyre bringing wake and this is presumably the wake switchin, you end up having to synthesis anyway. Also was considering gleam
248 Atk Shaymin-Sky Dazzling Gleam vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Latios: 136-162 (37.4 - 44.6%) -- 59.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, 1 layer of Spikes, and Leftovers recovery
W1 team 2 is, as lialiabeast rightfully pointed out, kinda farmed by fini. Latios is broke and i like pairing it with wake if you can (+ fire resist which i expected fire spam) dengo is same as reason aboe osp likes his physical attackers and boulder. Slither helps that mu and is good. Also checks the grounds which is nice to check! Empo wake check thorns is flutter check fire reisst spikes. Idk. maybe wants tran and you throw in spiker over empo + wake check if that exists? Meow??? Whatever, we’re on to cincinnati.
W2: Original plan was to bring malt which could’ve been really nice once you get rid of heatran as it was dd roost moon eq which kinda ran through their team. You can also just knock off tran which works really well here too. Some knock lure + malt could be really nice, whether thats cryogonal or something else idk, but hitting the heatrans, empoleons, and gholdengo is super nice.
Thorns balance w2 was the first team i came up with. Tox empo does super well into all the common switchins for empo like zap and sometimes flutter. Qsns has a ton of spin usage so sinistcha looked good here, and it does ok into cm fini (not super well though because taunt you can just lose against, and ice beam hurts as well). Main reason I didn’t want to bring this team was because it was straight up 6-0d by sunny day moth and kinda by taunt fini as well. I then built the malt broken spam HO team which probably would’ve been fine.
I then began trying to build fatter stuff that pannu actually asked for and I had been wanting to bring deod since the preseason, and I also thought garg was pretty underrated, so I began looking at that pairing. Taunt deod seemed ok to me at the time because you’re faster than taunt fini and I was ready for a taunt fini, and in the lead spot you can taunt other stuff so it’s not horrible. I was also becoming obsessed with spinblocking on a fat team like this so I came up with this:
- Drifblim @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: None- Will-O-Wisp
- Knock Off
- Night Shade
- Strength Sap
It’s surely ass but it’s actually got really solid calcs against the common spinners. The only thing you don’t really spinblock is dhelm but that mon is ass anyway so. I ended up building 4 teams around deod, they’re all pretty similar variants that sought to fix the bad mu’s on other teams, but then created their own bad mu’s, so I just wanted to bring the one that had the least bad mu’s into what qsns usually brings.
I built this appropriately titled team and this was actually the team I kinda wanted pannu to bring but it does immediately lose to sunny day moth. Double spinblock is kinda crazy r8 type cope but I do think sinistcha is ok and I wanted something that did ok into both iron boulder and flutter. Roar + knock wake I think is still super cool because you can kinda just knock whenever it comes in and hit whatever checks, then you can roar it out next time pretty safely and they’re taking massive hazard damage. Wake is already tough to switch into so odds are that you’re roaring them out into something else that a) doesn’t threaten you b) dies to you. We ended up going with the double cm setup team
which I’ll admit I was not a huge fan of this team but I thought “deod probably just wins so it doesn’t matter.” Unfortunately it did not win.Other Teams:
:Deoxys Defense:
W3: I was also super obsessed with bringing mega sceptile and really wanted to bring it because on paper it did super well but in test games I’m pretty sure it lost literally every single game so decided against it! Pannu this week requested lefties “cm flutter in da back + some offensive lead to pressure steels / spdef bulky mons”
I was also super stuck on what to build this week. Week 2 was just “i have so many not great ideas but at least I have ideas” but this week was just a struggle to build something I didn’t think was completely horrible. Final version
Ended up being this team which I actually think is really solid. In hindsight, team is probably pretty zap weak but so is literally every team. You have plenty of outs against latios which is really nice, and qsns came up with protect tapu fini to get lefties and also avoid boom + scout stuff. It ended up having an exceptionally good matchup because 3mm brought sunny day moth and let us stall out the sun turns which basically let fini win on the spot. I spent significantly more time on the ban flutter video than I did for actually building this week. I also didn’t scout 3mm because I scouted qsns heavily and kinda built based on their scout as opposed to building something good and using their scout to tweak it. Same with osp, he didn’t really have anything to scout, but I figured he would bring certain mons which, outside of boulder, he didn’t bring what I expected, and we got a bad matchup. Pannu also kinda rolled me while he was using this team in test games so I think it’s actually really solid, and I also really love slither lead. I think it’s so good. I also was not worried about spore lead guy because we had stalk melm in the back who can absorb it and you can then just go back into slither on a knock/spikes.
W4: I did decide to scout SEA this time with a MASSIVE sample size of 4 games (more than osp) (I threw out the week 1 games because those teams were not good) and saw there was quite a bit of cm spam. I also went into the week knowing I wanted to bring kyub because that mon is good into flutter and I didn’t think SEA knew about it because I’m pretty sure it hadn’t been brought during solopl2. I also had noticed SEA cheats on wake checks because they bring broken latios who can just revenge happily every time.
Pannu requested “i wanna play lead maero boom heatran wake” so I made sure to pass a team with no aero and non-boom heatran. Pannu also showed a strong tendency during test games to boom with heatran (the only flutter check) and then immediately lose to flutter. Pannu also I think realized I’m ass at this tier this week and tried building their own thing but apparently they’re worse because they kept losing to me in test games so they gave up on building.
So that was a fucking lie. This was also like the 3rd consecutive week that Lialiabeast said to bring ttar and I actually considered it but it didn’t have a good mu into anything r8 brings really so. Idk if he forgot but then pannu requested “knock gliscor dd malt” or as I put it “standard gliscor and standard malt.” I also kinda procrastinated building so oops. I wasn’t a huge fan of that team I built though so I did suggest against it. The team we ended up bringing I built literally Sunday before the week was released in about 5 minutes but I really liked the core and I still think it’s pretty good. I ended up making 2 malt variants of it for pannu if they wanted to bring that, and I built a glisc + malt team that they asked for but that was definitely my least favorite of the teams because it is also 6-0d by taunt fini. Kyub > malt lets you drop heatran because you do much better into flutter. In hindsight, I don’t know if it matters as pretty much all the teams lose to ceruledge so gg.
- the team W5- I had to pack and move and drive 18 hours across the country this week so I was much less active than normal. Pannu said “i will laod whatever u think si good.” so naturally I passed reuniclus + fist plate boulder. I think the team itself is definitely fine, I built it between cleaning my oven and cleaning my shower on Monday morning so obviously I put a ton of time on it. I thought fist plate boulder was actually ok because you get some really nice rolls on stuff, the main mon I was thinking about was melmetal, but you also hit a bunch of stuff like gastro for a good amount of extra damage. The stuff that checks boulder is usually the stuff that you need the cc damage on, not cleave damage boost. Reuni was just like every single move is really good so surely it is also good. I also passed reuni in mg4 this week, and bp was planning on bringing reuni as well so I was hoping for a Jubilife Jinx reuniclus spam week but that didn’t happen as bp deadgamed and mg4 reuni was unrevealed. I was also terrified of bb zap this week because r8 brought it last week and I, along with I’m pretty sure everyone else though: “well that’s broken.” So obviously I also brought it this week. That was literally the one thing I had in the builder was “bring bb zap +5.”
☆retro gen 2: u asked me for a game to load twave reuniclus
Semifinals:
What nog as your builder does to a mfer.
I spent like 48 hours of my life trying to convince r8 to join our discord just so I could ignore them (the main goal was just to prevent them from helping anyone else) but when r8 joined they kinda took over building which was great because if we lost I could blame them. I didn’t really contribute much this week on building, I kinda just encouraged scald over surf on fini, and sent the team to qsns for their thoughts who said heavy slam > mash on meta because even non-mega you get the 120bp on latios which turns it from a 49% max roll on mash to like 50% min roll with slam. And you get to not miss. My other main contribution was convincing r8 to not pass pannu a team with mimikyu on it. It also meant I could focus more on mg4 as we now had someone else to contribute in mg2 as previously it was basically just me talking to myself.
Finals:
Built a ton of stuff, mainly for fun and not for pannu tbh. R8 and qsns were still doing stuff I wasn’t a fan of many of their earlier concepts so I was just building whatever and seeing what worked.
- for fun, wanted to do pretty much only UR stuff. I wanted to build flareon because its gen 2 sprite is easily the cutest sprite I’ve ever seen but unfortunately it’s kinda ass. SD FIP haxorus is probably not shit but it’s UR so I was allowed to bring it, drifblim to spinblock tspikes and tatsugiri to spin and just be the fucking goat. ALSO I WANTED TO BUILD MEGA SABELEYE WHO IS BROKEN TRUST. - brought back classic boomspam. Not super complicated just click rocks if you can and boom t2. If you cant, just boom t1 and you have rocks on tran as well. Double rocks is the only heat here other than the camel. Basically kill everything and then hope slither + malt win. Malt should be fine because alot of the stuff I think that you imagine gets saved for last like latios, wake, flutter, meow, alot of the really good mons in the meta just lose to malt. Malt can just run over so many teams and god I wish it had permanent typing because I’d use it defensively so much in this tier but teams naturally have at least 1 check built in unconsciously so it’s not busted. - SEA mu fish, i wouldnt bring this ever and its also probably not good, but i wanted to experiment a little with some fat stuff. I do think qsns is right, kingambit is really solid (at least on paper) right now, and the best latios check. It also does feel almost required on stall which is funny after mew ban. - we’ve been talking about copycat meow since r8 joined the jinx discord and I wanted to give it a try. The original plan was meow + treads so I could theoretically have two spinners with copycat and then bring something that could abuse no rocks up like yard or malt. Ended up wanting defensive utility and just removed yard for molt and removed treads for literally any other mon. I also brought reversal sneasler which I got from jumpheart. - literally just took the 6 mons i ranked the highest on my vr and put them on a team because it probably isnt horrible (loses to zap) - mmeta has two main weaknesses imo outside the obvious one time mega issue. The first is that it’s hard walled by dengo unless you run knock + eq which I don’t want to have to run on my 145 attack mega who already has 4mss. The second is that it gets chipped super heavily by hazards as you have no recovery, lefties, or balloon. Treads fixes both of these as you get to have hazard removal and you are one of the most reliable dengo switchins. Gar was originally sneasler but I realized I was super sneasler and slither weak so I put gar because I also wanted to keep tspikes. No more sneasler meant I was worse against flutter now, and a little worse vs latios. I didn’t think that I could deal with latios and flutter with just mmeta, and I lose immediately to zapdos, so I went gouging who can beat flutter + zap and let mmeta just deal with latios with fini and treads. - at the time of writing this I hopefully will be improving this team because I posted a replay vs 3mm and pannu said it was fire so I want to make it more reliable so I am not running fucking STABs talonflame. I was originally inspired by 3mm who was saying we can’t use exclusively empo as a lati check because it sporadically runs tbolt, and then I’m like, the only two wake checks getting used right now are fini and empo, and fini is running cm more than stalk. Both are also used to switch into latios as well, and both obviously get smashed by tbolt + psychic noise. Combined with wake, wake should have theoretically very few checks. I also wanted to run tspikes because knock + tspikes wake is broken, and I think roar + knock wake is sooo good against balance stuff when you’re roaring out their 1 wake check and not roaring in anything faster that threatens you out. Mmeta because I think it’s a nice defensive option on an offensive team, tran for rocks + additional flutter and latios support, meow helps vs fini and latios and gives me my tspikes. I now lose to basically every fighting type in the tier, so I wanted a mluc, slither, and sneasler switchin. The only thing I liked on this offensive type of team was talon and I don’t even like talon here I literally just voted it UR, AND you have to run STABs because you need bb to actually beat sneasler because I don’t want to just rely on wisp hitting, and you need fire blast to beat mluc so you don’t immediately lose if you miss wisp. You can make it flame > fblast but the flamethrower calc is so ass even though you need chip to kill anyway with fire blast so that is also ass.248 SpA Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 248 SpD Lucario-Mega: 270-318 (78.7 - 92.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
248 SpA Talonflame Flamethrower vs. 248 HP / 248 SpD Lucario-Mega: 212-252 (61.8 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
248 Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 248 HP / 248 Def Sneasler: 308-366 (84.8 - 100.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
- ok so I did try to improve the team but unfortunately i just made it worse. Instead of losing to zapdos you lose to flutter and latios but that’s ok. Raikou because i needed to replace c rank talon with c rank raikou. GSC RAIKOU BEING USED TO CHECK GSC ZAPDOS???? - So many times I said during the week “I am sneasler weak, I am slither weak, and I am mluc weak. I’m in trouble if they bring one, and I giga lose if they bring two.” Then I’m like “nog you don’t have to bring the same 6 mons every week, you can building something new for once” so I decided to bring just the three broken fighting types and say “you can’t check all of them, right?” I’d love to be SD sneasler or BU slither or something but you really want to lure in dengo with both and get wisp + switcheroo on it for mluc who is the wincon. Team is super zapdos weak because you’re obviously bringing 3 fighting types immediately and I wanted to just bring a core of zap + ferro + gastro. Zap and ferro make the fini mu better, and zap + gastro should be ok enough at stopping you from losing to zapdos when it gets loaded. Team feels super mu fish where you can just instalose vs stuff but that’s also kinda what slither is for to help in that department. I think mluc + another fighting type that can help vs dengo is good, that’s probably switcheroo sneasler and you want to drop slither for something that can make your team actually good and not just mu fish. - IDK AT THIS POINT IM JUST CHUCKING GUYS IN A BUILDER I DONT KNOW HOW TO BUILD STALL?? Gastro is good, bliss, dengo, and kingambit are basically required on stall. Bramble i couldnt condense a hazard into a spinblocker and spinner (i almost had to run shitmon dhelm but i have to run arguably worsemon bramble) because i also needed tox on bliss because mfing flutter just wins without it (you take like 30 from +4 so you do beat it unless its taunt but that is just dated now) and rwash is because having a third ghost is surely enough to spinblock right chat? And also nice zap switchin and its annoying for some of the common physical attackers in the tier so. - the rotom grind continues. R8 wanted sneasler + wake which they thought did well vs the SEA scouter. Then its just kinda an ok core which i feel like i’ve built 30 times already. This is the team we actually ended up bringing for some unknown reason. Pannu thought it was fine and was winning in tests with it so whatever. I’m writing this before they even play so we will see how it goes, but I don’t have high hopes. It’s still sneasler + wake, sneasler has a super nice speed tier which helps against alot of stuff. Treads is our dengo switchin for sneasler + I wanted to bring spin this week because we have literally 0 spin usage. Fini is good, heatran is good, both help shore up the latios matchup a little bit along with treads. Rotom sucks to bring and I kinda laughed at r8 because they built a rwash team earlier. I didn’t like it partly because I thought the rest of the team was bad, part of it was I didn’t like the rwash set, and part of it because it had rwash on it. And yet here I am. Rwash does well against the stuff this team is weak to, mainly zapdos who you hard wall forever, and you stop the scary fighting types from clicking SD in your face. I predict this team loses to ceruledge.replay 1
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- COAL FOR DOUBLE HAZARDS AND BOOM AND THREATEN THE STEELS WHO WANT TO CMOE IN ON BOOM. CROWN BECAUSE CROWN IS THAT GUY. MLUC IS ALSO HIM. SLITHER BECAUSE OH SHIT I PROBABLY GET FARMED BY LATIOS WITHOUT IT. FINI BECAUSE YEAH THATS A BROKEN MON. THUNDY I BECAUSE IM LIKE I LOSE TO ZAPDOS AND YOU STILL DO BUT YOU CAN TAUNT ITS TWAVE SO THATS COOL - it was originally steelix over ferro but i couldn’t actually justify steelix over ferro so i had to ditch it. I dont fucking know what this is, r8 once again said “waaaa waaaa i need sneasler + wake” and I said “ok r8 I love you and respect your opinion” so I built this. It’s suicide lead that actually has some (some) defensive utility + boom, wake + sneasler because r8, broken mluc, fini because i kinda just put it 5th on every team now, and i couldn’t figure out the last spot so i just did a mon faster than mluc because uh oh chat we lose immediately to mluc (still do). idk if spin is better than uturn on it so figure that out yourself idk. - stalk ortho no 4th move so you only click shed tail is so heat and you just go into the brokens and setup and theres no counterplay and its a wrap say gg. Coincidentally sneasler + wake! Crown is actually cracked behind a free sub imo cause then you can just cm immediately and then either cm again or id depending on what they go into. Cant really run balloon because the point is to sub from behind sub and it gets popped back there. - idk i thought zap + wake was good because they can just keep turning on their checks and their teammate threatens out their check. Sneasler also helps with that but I also added it so I had some speed control. Treads just felt nice here, as did fini. I literally didn’t know what to put last so I put reuni and I don’t really know why. Hope this helps. Something else instead of reuni last and it might be ok. - how many mg2 council members does it take to make a team? One because nobody is helping me. Pannu once again asked for maero and who i am to ignore their request for a fourth consecutive week? Froslass is supposed to lure the steels and wisp so they dont kill u back super well, tran and bu slither also threaten the steels, sneasler does too and it can switcheroo dengo or whatever, and fini is good. 3mm pointed out “you lose to zapdos” and this is true. BUT you have maero.Conclusion:
My haters try to put me down saying I'm "bad," "washed," or "carried," but we all know that I'm the greatest builder ever seen in this tier. If you don't think these mons are good, then you are probably not good yourself. Consider that before typing.
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Salamence: B -> B+
Noivern: UR -> C+
