DPL XI meme thread: a reminder to touch grass

[zee]

please remember to get some sunlight and at least 6 to 7k steps per day. it's good for you!

also dm me for my phone number if you wanna play 8ball i need more people to play 8ball with

 

[Yellow Paint]

In this thread we CT Fangame

 

[Fangame10]

In this thread we CT Fangame

 

[Schister]

POV: You are facing Fangame10

 

[eragon]

1st mocc

Paldea Cratermakers

Feyy	12500
charmdi	9000
SEROO	9000
srvoltmike	8500
churrojr	6500
Evie	6000
Noelle	6000
Zephyr Moonbeam	5500
volcaronavgc	4500
Always!	4000
EatFoods	4000
Baddy	4000
HiZo	4000
Knull	4000
breakfast enjoyer	3500
Steam Buns	3000
Rayenith	3000
Slowpoke Fan	3000

Kitchen Kingdras

qsns	26500
Spurrific	22500
Chris32156	18000
GenOne	8000
Terekusai	6000
CodeVG	5500
Smudge	4500
Lugi Lugi	3000
Val16	3000
Cao Jie	3000

Browbeat Lands 2

Charlotte	15500
Frixel	15000
Hys	13000
fespy	12500
SingleThunder	9000
Toxigen	8000
AIRedzone	7000
5ft5	6500
AKhant	5000
platanazo	3000
Tdmask	3000

Milwaukee ducks

Ann	26500
Opelucid	10000
Yellow Paint	9000
Genesis77	8500
mimi	7000
SuckyLucky	5500
waffle2O2O	5000
One Last Kiss	5000
Sapphire	4500
PigWarrior19	3500
sundays	3500
GasaiYunoSan	3000
seraphz	3000
Grillo	3000
Enzonana.	3000

Snowpoint City Cold Crew

JRL	26000
SeaLife	13500
luisin	12500
shiloh	10000
sir jelloton	9000
KyleCole	9000
Nephtyrix	7000
Sunrose	5000
Jazz721	4000
Penter	4000

Po Town Gholdengos

Nails	27000
Mishimono	21000
Monai	11000
SEA	11000
Mako	8500
BlackKnight_Gawain	6500
Fc	5000
Larry	4000
Mada	3000
lichess	3000

Slateport City _I_

MADARAAAA	28500
Voltix	15000
laptops	13500
LogIce	12000
entrocefalo	8000
SvenVGC	8000
Hugo	4500
Test Bots	4000
Shiritu	3500
gephicka	3000

Geosenge Town Glimmoras

EternalSnowman	25000
DaWoblefet	20000
Nido-Rus	20000
Schister	12000
ChainlessJoe	7000
IcyPenguin2	4000
veti	3000
KeshBa54	3000
xmarsh	3000
FreyaknightVGC	3000

All

MADARAAAA	28500	Slateport City _I_
Nails	27000	Po Town Gholdengos
qsns	26500	Kitchen Kingdras
Ann	26500	Milwaukee ducks
JRL	26000	Snowpoint City Cold Crew
EternalSnowman	25000	Geosenge Town Glimmoras
Spurrific	22500	Kitchen Kingdras
Mishimono	21000	Po Town Gholdengos
DaWoblefet	20000	Geosenge Town Glimmoras
Nido-Rus	20000	Geosenge Town Glimmoras
Chris32156	18000	Kitchen Kingdras
Charlotte	15500	Browbeat Lands 2
Frixel	15000	Browbeat Lands 2
Voltix	15000	Slateport City _I_
SeaLife	13500	Snowpoint City Cold Crew
laptops	13500	Slateport City _I_
Hys	13000	Browbeat Lands 2
fespy	12500	Browbeat Lands 2
Feyy	12500	Paldea Cratermakers
luisin	12500	Snowpoint City Cold Crew
LogIce	12000	Slateport City _I_
Schister	12000	Geosenge Town Glimmoras
Monai	11000	Po Town Gholdengos
SEA	11000	Po Town Gholdengos
Opelucid	10000	Milwaukee ducks
shiloh	10000	Snowpoint City Cold Crew
Yellow Paint	9000	Milwaukee ducks
sir jelloton	9000	Snowpoint City Cold Crew
charmdi	9000	Paldea Cratermakers
KyleCole	9000	Snowpoint City Cold Crew
SingleThunder	9000	Browbeat Lands 2
SEROO	9000	Paldea Cratermakers
srvoltmike	8500	Paldea Cratermakers
Genesis77	8500	Milwaukee ducks
Mako	8500	Po Town Gholdengos
GenOne	8000	Kitchen Kingdras
entrocefalo	8000	Slateport City _I_
SvenVGC	8000	Slateport City _I_
Toxigen	8000	Browbeat Lands 2
AIRedzone	7000	Browbeat Lands 2
mimi	7000	Milwaukee ducks
Nephtyrix	7000	Snowpoint City Cold Crew
ChainlessJoe	7000	Geosenge Town Glimmoras
churrojr	6500	Paldea Cratermakers
5ft5	6500	Browbeat Lands 2
BlackKnight_Gawain	6500	Po Town Gholdengos
Terekusai	6000	Kitchen Kingdras
Evie	6000	Paldea Cratermakers
Noelle	6000	Paldea Cratermakers
SuckyLucky	5500	Milwaukee ducks
CodeVG	5500	Kitchen Kingdras
Zephyr Moonbeam	5500	Paldea Cratermakers
waffle2O2O	5000	Milwaukee ducks
AKhant	5000	Browbeat Lands 2
One Last Kiss	5000	Milwaukee ducks
Sunrose	5000	Snowpoint City Cold Crew
Fc	5000	Po Town Gholdengos
Smudge	4500	Kitchen Kingdras
Sapphire	4500	Milwaukee ducks
volcaronavgc	4500	Paldea Cratermakers
Hugo	4500	Slateport City _I_
Always!	4000	Paldea Cratermakers
IcyPenguin2	4000	Geosenge Town Glimmoras
Jazz721	4000	Snowpoint City Cold Crew
EatFoods	4000	Paldea Cratermakers
Baddy	4000	Paldea Cratermakers
HiZo	4000	Paldea Cratermakers
Larry	4000	Po Town Gholdengos
Test Bots	4000	Slateport City _I_
Knull	4000	Paldea Cratermakers
Penter	4000	Snowpoint City Cold Crew
breakfast enjoyer	3500	Paldea Cratermakers
PigWarrior19	3500	Milwaukee ducks
sundays	3500	Milwaukee ducks
Shiritu	3500	Slateport City _I_
gephicka	3000	Slateport City _I_
Steam Buns	3000	Paldea Cratermakers
Lugi Lugi	3000	Kitchen Kingdras
veti	3000	Geosenge Town Glimmoras
GasaiYunoSan	3000	Milwaukee ducks
Mada	3000	Po Town Gholdengos
seraphz	3000	Milwaukee ducks
Grillo	3000	Milwaukee ducks
Rayenith	3000	Paldea Cratermakers
KeshBa54	3000	Geosenge Town Glimmoras
platanazo	3000	Browbeat Lands 2
Tdmask	3000	Browbeat Lands 2
xmarsh	3000	Geosenge Town Glimmoras
FreyaknightVGC	3000	Geosenge Town Glimmoras
Slowpoke Fan	3000	Paldea Cratermakers
Val16	3000	Kitchen Kingdras
Cao Jie	3000	Kitchen Kingdras
lichess	3000	Po Town Gholdengos
Enzonana.	3000	Milwaukee ducks

 

[KyleCole]

A question asked perhaps a thousand times or more, passed like coin from hand to hand among the dust and ruin of years. Today I’ll set down my own accounting of it, and let it serve as answer to the community and to Yoda2798.
I will apologize first and foremost to the teams involved in the first iteration of DPL (then, SDPL). That tournament is non canon, as we all know and agree. Let us turn now to the teams that endured to the finals.

Note: Tiebreaker information doesn't show up here. You had to win the week outright for it to count as a win & the games weren't considered in the overall count. There are a few in there hidden, but the most obvious is the DPL 2 Ancients with 0 losses despite losing the tournament--they lost in tiebreaks. This is also true for the DPL 8 Browbeat lands, who lost in finals tiebreaks to the Milwaukee Ducks. Both score a tie in this case.

I think we should establish up front that the best team must be one that actually won the tournament. That’s the line. And that means more apologies. Sorry to the DPL 2 Oreburgh Ancients, the DPL 3 Rustboro Baptist Church, and the DPL 10 Paldea Cratermakers. Runners-up all, and all with finer records week to week and finer win/loss ratios than the champions who beat them. Timing is everything. And timing is cruel.

edit: after some meditation on the mountaintops, I was dissatisfied with my initial scoring method, so if you’re seeing this post again and thinking it looks different you’re right. I decided to rescore the record portion with a more traditional 1 point for a win, 0.5 points for a tie, 0 for a loss. Initially I shied away from this because the last 2 DPLs have had a longer schedule and therefore more weeks to earn points, but I decided to use this method after all and simply divide points earned by the total points the team could have earned over the course of the tournament by winning every week. I think this produces a more satisfying and correct result.

As before, a score was assigned to each team corresponding to their ranking against the other champion teams. First, for the aforementioned points earned/points possible metric, and second by their game w/l ratios. These two were given equal weighting and added together for a combined score at the bottom.

Apologies for the ugly formatting—I’m on mobile and the choices I would usually make to increase the palatability of the spreadsheet were not available to me.

And there you have it! My pick for best ever DPL team goes to the DPL 5 Slateport City Spindas. The silver medal is a tie between the DPL 7 Santalune Storms and the DPL 2 Six Island Shitposters. Bronze goes to the DPL 4 Hungry Hungry Hippowdons. And so on.

You of course can rank the teams however you want. You can weigh the metrics differently than me. You can find new metrics. You can rank based on team logo or chat presence or general vibes. Go wild. I found Yoda's initial question an interesting one and it provides us with an opportunity to celebrate some historic achievements. I also got to practice my favourite hobby which is the dual role of DPL consultant/historian.

As for individual player recognition, a bunch of people have been on the winning team twice, but only three users have managed to win three times. They are DaWoblefet, Frania, and Stax. Good for them.

Also, for my own sake, here are the spreadsheets together in one place. You can also check against my work if you want.
10 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...05ELqVo1_Cz0/edit?gid=108211497#gid=108211497
9 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...tjpL_wYFMU/edit?gid=1192375715#gid=1192375715
8 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...yCLDwYOChY/edit?gid=1937719380#gid=1937719380
7 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...zfK39jJfYw/edit?gid=1192375715#gid=1192375715
6 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ynJKuRxJrw/edit?gid=1288398741#gid=1288398741
5 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...yfEE6lspRs/edit?gid=1394296894#gid=1394296894
4 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...i1MNTDfk_M/edit?gid=1192375715#gid=1192375715
3 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...sJUnoypMJw/edit?gid=1364827325#gid=1364827325
2 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...tkw0X7-9mU/edit?gid=1364827325#gid=1364827325

with finalists included in red

 

[ratpacker]

 

[sir jelloton]

Paldea Cratermakers

JRL	20500
fespy	17000
LogIce	10500
udhhfd12345	7500
choicebadkyurem	4000
SuckyLucky	3000
Rayenith	3000
Val16	3000
Ann	0
Arcticblast	0

Browbeat Lands 2

Nails	27000
laptops	19000
Mishimono	18500
srvoltmike	12000
Staraptor	8500
Lindwurm	3000
Evie	3000
FreyaknightVGC	3000
ChainlessJoe	3000
Kiwozz	3000

Kitchen Kingdras

Nido-Rus	25000
Hys	16500
GenOne	13000
KyleCole	11000
Knull	5000
Shiritu	4500
IcyPenguin2	3000
luisin	3000
yuki	3000
eragon

Milwaukee Ducks

paraplegic	17000
sir jelloton	12000
Noelle	6000
CodeVG	5000
Opelucid	5000
SvenVGC	5000
sundays	4500
Nephtyrix	4000
Smudge	3500
Platinum God n1n1	3000
MADARAAAA	0
Akaru Kokuyo	0

Snowpoint city Sneaslers

DaWoblefet	27500
Frixel	17500
SeaLife	6500
Yuichi	5500
SEA	5000
waffle2O2O	4500
Enzonana.	4500
GasaiYunoSan	3500
Test Bots	3500
Mako	3500
trace	3500
Always!	3000
AKhant	3000
Ultimathrash	3000
Fc	3000
Givrix	3000

Po Town Gholdengos

qsns	25500
Voltix	15500
SingleThunder	13000
Yellow Paint	10000
Terekusai	8500
shiloh	8000
5ft5	7000
breakfast enjoyer	5000
EatFoods	4000
Sunrose	3500

Slateport City __i____

Spurrific	24500
Idyll	22500
Charlotte	14500
Feyy	12500
Toxigen	8500
nadando	4500
Larry	4000
Sapphire	3000
Tdmask	3000
Deishu	3000

Geosenge Town Glimmoras

Nails	23000
Penter	15000
SingleThunder	11000
tyo	11000
Platinum God n1n1	10000
volcaronavgc	7000
PigWarrior19	6000
trace	5500
breakfast enjoyer	3000
Larry	3000
Ev_Evan	3000

Yoda edit: added Glimmoras prices

 

[ned04817]

I was drafted to DPL and wanted to see how I would have done if I was not drafted. So I asked chatGPT to write some python code to stimulate my results. Based on what I told chatGPT about the players, it wrote this code

code

import random
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
import numpy as np
from collections import Counter

# Opponent data: win_prob (base), certainty (0 to 1), luck_factor (-0.1 to 0.1)
opponents = {
"KyleCole": {"win_prob": 0, "certainty": 1, "luck_factor": 0},
"Schister": {"win_prob": 0, "certainty": 1, "luck_factor": 0},
"Voltix": {"win_prob": 0, "certainty": 1, "luck_factor": 0},
"Arcticblast": {"win_prob": 0, "certainty": 1, "luck_factor": 0},
"laptops": {"win_prob": 0, "certainty": 1, "luck_factor": 0},
"SingleThunder": {"win_prob": 0, "certainty": 1, "luck_factor": 0},
"qsns": {"win_prob": 0, "certainty": 1, "luck_factor": 0}
}

# Number of simulations
num_simulations = 10000
results = []

def simulate_match(base_prob, certainty, luck_factor):
# Add uncertainty via Gaussian noise scaled by (1 - certainty)
std_dev = (1 - certainty) * 0.15 # standard deviation maxes at 15%
adjusted_prob = np.random.normal(base_prob, std_dev)

# Apply luck factor (positive = opponent luckier, so you win less often)
adjusted_prob -= luck_factor

# Clamp probability between 0 and 1
adjusted_prob = max(0, min(1, adjusted_prob))

return random.random() < adjusted_prob

# Run the simulations
for _ in range(num_simulations):
wins = 0
for data in opponents.values():
if simulate_match(data["win_prob"], data["certainty"], data["luck_factor"]):
wins += 1
results.append(wins)

# Show average result
mean_wins = np.mean(results)
print(f"Expected number of wins: {mean_wins:.2f} out of {len(opponents)} games\n")

# Show win count distribution
win_counts = Counter(results)
for w in range(len(opponents) + 1):
print(f"{w} wins: {win_counts[w]} times ({win_counts[w]/num_simulations:.1%})")

# Plot histogram
plt.hist(results, bins=range(0, len(opponents) + 2), edgecolor='black', align='left')
plt.xlabel("Wins in Tournament")
plt.ylabel("Frequency")
plt.title(f"Monte Carlo Simulation with Uncertainty & Luck ({num_simulations} runs)")
plt.xticks(range(len(opponents) + 1))
plt.grid(axis='y', linestyle='--', alpha=0.7)

# Save plot to file instead of showing
plt.savefig("simulation_results2.png", dpi=300, bbox_inches='tight')

Here are the results

results

I had hoped for better results and believe that it is under estimating me.

 

[Schister]

When you have to play Michael on Snowpoint City Cold Crew

 

[KyleCole]

Fully anticipating being clowned for my take here but here goes: I think there is a risk XY Genies users have lost sight of what they were originally intended to be - an intro to the tier for new players - and have shifted into a different purpose, almost eclipsing the need for players to learn teambuilding at all and removing what used to be a fundamental skillcheck.

I'm a XY main and can only really talk for XY Genies here, but thought it might be worth making a post in case there is are any similar feelings across other gens/tiers and whether we can learn/adapt something or not.

At least in XY DOU, the current 17 Genies teams are incredibly good and cover practically every major team archtype. This might not be the case in other metagames and maybe your genies teams are outdated and therefore we dont have the same issue. But in xy, the genies of healthy meta are good and they cover everything you'd ever want to use. This is no longer about giving new players an intro to the game, its giving them every single resource they need to enter a tournament and be immediately competitive with no meta familiarity or further work required.

I don't think its surprising that this year's DPL has seen a huge number of R1 upsets. New players unfamiliar to the tier have access to almost all the same resources that long-time top players that self-build do, right down to the perfectly optimised EV spreads and techs that they couldn't have discovered on their own. The unfortunate reality of this game is that it has a relatively low skill ceiling, and anyone coming into a game with baseline pokemon knowledge and a top team has potential to cause an upset with a decent matchup or a bit of luck, and in this way I think the ubiquity of incredible teams on the forums erodes one of the game's steepest skillchecks - teambuilding.

There's a fine line to draw between making the game accessible for new players, and giving out so many highly optimised and tournament ready teams that they truly don't need to set foot in the teambuilder at all.

My suggestion:
Genies need to exist but we probably have too many of them. Sometimes when I bring up this topic, it is suggested I simply need to make sure I have good MUs into the genies, knowing that everyone has access to them - this is not realistic when there are 6 of them and 3-4 of them are all modern and strong. If genies are truly about giving new players a taste of the tier, then they don't need 3 versions of landorus-t. They just need starting points to know what the stronger strategies are, and encouragement to explore other options for themselves. 10 Thundurus sets would be plenty, perhaps even too many.

Genies could also probably be less optimised. Maybe 252 / 252 spreads only. Maybe don't allow Hidden Powers (or Tera Type or Z-moves or w/e equivalent in your metagames, I don't know enough to properly comment). Hyper optimised techs that make the entire team click could be switched out for the more generic option and let a player work something out for themselves. If a player isn't good enough to recognise that a team needs to EV their thundurus to survive whatever they decide in the moment because it can viably run whatever, then allow them to slip up, learn from the mistake, and correct it. If a player hasn't realised that landorus-t can be EVd to take a Tyranitar ice punch, then we should just let them die to ice punch until they work that out. 252/252 EV spreads only and encourage them to learn something.

I know this sounds elitist and horrible but since returning to the game in 2017 this has been an annoyance. People are accustomed to handouts and are entitled. When genies aren't updated for a year our discord is inundated with petulant fucks complaining about the LTV Teams being outdated. On the other side of the spectrum, we see people get hardstuck as trying to upskill your teambuilding after a year of having perfect teams is demotivating. Big names get knocked out R1 of tours cos everyone has LTV+Conk and its a crit away from beating anything.

The genies no longer serve their initial purpose, discuss.

 

[Fangame10]

Fully anticipating being clowned for my take here but here goes: I think there is a risk XY Genies users have lost sight of what they were originally intended to be - an intro to the tier for new players - and have shifted into a different purpose, almost eclipsing the need for players to learn teambuilding at all and removing what used to be a fundamental skillcheck.

I'm a XY main and can only really talk for XY Genies here, but thought it might be worth making a post in case there is are any similar feelings across other gens/tiers and whether we can learn/adapt something or not.

At least in XY DOU, the current 17 Genies teams are incredibly good and cover practically every major team archtype. This might not be the case in other metagames and maybe your genies teams are outdated and therefore we dont have the same issue. But in xy, the genies of healthy meta are good and they cover everything you'd ever want to use. This is no longer about giving new players an intro to the game, its giving them every single resource they need to enter a tournament and be immediately competitive with no meta familiarity or further work required.

I don't think its surprising that this year's DPL has seen a huge number of R1 upsets. New players unfamiliar to the tier have access to almost all the same resources that long-time top players that self-build do, right down to the perfectly optimised EV spreads and techs that they couldn't have discovered on their own. The unfortunate reality of this game is that it has a relatively low skill ceiling, and anyone coming into a game with baseline pokemon knowledge and a top team has potential to cause an upset with a decent matchup or a bit of luck, and in this way I think the ubiquity of incredible teams on the forums erodes one of the game's steepest skillchecks - teambuilding.

There's a fine line to draw between making the game accessible for new players, and giving out so many highly optimised and tournament ready teams that they truly don't need to set foot in the teambuilder at all.

My suggestion:
Genies need to exist but we probably have too many of them. Sometimes when I bring up this topic, it is suggested I simply need to make sure I have good MUs into the genies, knowing that everyone has access to them - this is not realistic when there are 6 of them and 3-4 of them are all modern and strong. If genies are truly about giving new players a taste of the tier, then they don't need 3 versions of landorus-t. They just need starting points to know what the stronger strategies are, and encouragement to explore other options for themselves. 10 Thundurus sets would be plenty, perhaps even too many.

Genies could also probably be less optimised. Maybe 252 / 252 spreads only. Maybe don't allow Hidden Powers (or Tera Type or Z-moves or w/e equivalent in your metagames, I don't know enough to properly comment). Hyper optimised techs that make the entire team click could be switched out for the more generic option and let a player work something out for themselves. If a player isn't good enough to recognise that a team needs to EV their thundurus to survive whatever they decide in the moment because it can viably run whatever, then allow them to slip up, learn from the mistake, and correct it. If a player hasn't realised that landorus-t can be EVd to take a Tyranitar ice punch, then we should just let them die to ice punch until they work that out. 252/252 EV spreads only and encourage them to learn something.

I know this sounds elitist and horrible but since returning to the game in 2017 this has been an annoyance. People are accustomed to handouts and are entitled. When genies aren't updated for a year our discord is inundated with petulant fucks complaining about the LTV Teams being outdated. On the other side of the spectrum, we see people get hardstuck as trying to upskill your teambuilding after a year of having perfect teams is demotivating. Big names get knocked out R1 of tours cos everyone has LTV+Conk and its a crit away from beating anything.

The genies no longer serve their initial purpose, discuss.

 

[ratpacker]

 

[Eeeaa]