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The World Cup of Pokemon 2025 has begun! Because of the tournament's fast paced nature and Bo1 style, we often tend to see interesting and innovative team choices in the World Cup. Here is a list of Round 1 SS OU starters:

Brazil's TDNT
Africa's Zoyotte
US South's Xrn
Europe's talah
India's IPF
US Midwest's zioziotrip
Netherland's Jordy004
Belgium's OranBerryBlissey10
Italy's Raiza
Chile's Mendeez
Aregentina's Raichy
Canada's Jytcampbell
Oceania's damien the genius
US West's z0mOG
France's Sacri'
China's musashi109
Germany's Padox
Portugal's I Feel Stabby
US Northeast's Finchinator
United Kingdom's xavgb


  1. Do not disparage players. You can give commentary on plays that are made and games, but don't be rude to individual players in a personal manner.
  2. Blanket statements about particular countries and regions will be deleted. You can comment on how a country or region is performing in the tournament, but statements such as "I hate X team because I don't like Y player" and other comments that do not have in-game relevance will be deleted and possibly infracted.
  3. Please attempt to keep the thread on topic. This is the SS OU discussion thread, so plan on mainly discussing SS OU games.
 
SS OU #26:
[BRA] TDNT vs. Zoyotte [AFR]
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[BRA] TDNT vs. Xrn [USS]
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[BRA] TDNT vs. talah [EUR]
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[AFR] Zoyotte vs. Xrn [USS]
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[AFR] Zoyotte vs. talah [EUR]
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[USS] Xrn vs. talah [EUR]
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SS OU #27:
[IND] IPF vs. zioziotrip [USM]
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[IND] IPF vs. Jordy004 [NLD]
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[IND] IPF vs. OranBerryBlissey10 [BEL]
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[USM] zioziotrip vs. Jordy004 [NLD]
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[USM] zioziotrip vs. OranBerryBlissey10 [BEL]
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[NLD] Jordy004 vs. OranBerryBlissey10 [BEL]
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SS OU #28:
[ITA] Raiza vs. Mendeez [CHL]
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[ITA] Raiza vs. Raichy [ARG]
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[ITA] Raiza vs. Jytcampbell [CAN]
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[CHL] Mendeez vs. Raichy [ARG]
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[CHL] Mendeez vs. Jytcampbell [CAN]
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[ARG] Raichy vs. Jytcampbell [CAN]
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SS OU #29:
[OCE] damien the genius vs. z0mOG [USW]
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[OCE] damien the genius vs. Sacri' [FRA]
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[OCE] damien the genius vs. musashi109 [CHN]
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[USW] z0mOG vs. Sacri' [FRA]
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[USW] z0mOG vs. musashi109 [CHN]
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[FRA] Sacri' vs. musashi109 [CHN]
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SS OU #30:
[GER] xray vs. I Feel Stabby [PRT]
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[GER] Padox vs. Finchinator [USN]
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[GER] xray vs. xavgb [UK]
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[PRT] I Feel Stabby vs. Finchinator [USN]
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[PRT] I Feel Stabby vs. xavgb [UK]
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[USN] Finchinator vs. xavgb [UK]
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I had fun building in SS for mainstage wcop for Jordy. first team he used wasnt mine, I stole that and tweaked it so wont go over it.
:garchomp: :heatran: :kartana: :rillaboom: :tapu lele: :zapdos: Double Grass + Scarf Lele
Going into IPF I had a pretty clear plan in mind. I wanted to use some kind of fast offense that overwhelmed other more offensively oriented to balanced teams. Eventually I resorted to the tried and true Grass Spam but instead of going for the simple Scarf Kart angle I tried the Salac Berry Kart set instead. I knew this would catch him off guard with an off beat set but still a set I find very viable without truly fishing too hard imo! I tried a lot of ground type-less approaches with Zeraora instead but none of them felt quite strong enough until I finally resorted to just using SD Chomp who helps putting on pressure on guys like Corviknight and Skarmory for my Grasses to an extent. Jordy had a nice touch in the end with making this Chomp even Adamant to truly rip open a hole even easier. Scarf Lele is also the preferred speed control because of nice the synergy is with the Grass Spam core to overwhelm Steel types to enable a potential Scarf Lele clean up. Heatran and Zapdos round out the team for their utility, compressing a lot of roles together whilst not being passive. Many will notice the unusual Heatran set so ill try explain the thought process. This heatran is never going to be really doing its trapping thing on this team effectively and its much more effective as a different tool of disruption by trying to spread burns onto the opponents team, heavy slam hits clefable who is the most common mon to eat burns but also importantly covers tapu lele with an ohko to be a better check to that. the final moveslot was originally the very cool body press which hits opposing heatran, blissey (for a 2hko), ttar, (for an ohko, to limit the amount of sand turns). but in the end we opted for roar in conjuction with flash fire, this gives a nice safety net vs Volcarona and also limits DD Dnite. Other than that Roar also has a nice hidden synergy in tandem with FSight from Lele which can really mess up your opponent and create some chaos which is always welcome for offense.

:clefable: :corviknight: :garchomp: :melmetal: :tapu lele::tornadus-therian: Specs Lele
:clefable: :corviknight: :gastrodon: :melmetal: :tapu lele::tornadus-therian: 2nd version for those who desire the water resist.
For Jordy's final main stage game vs zioziotrip I reckoned he would bring a more balanced slow paced approach and after seeing his first game vs IPF where his only Psychic resist was Ferrothorn I knew I wanted to just build a specs lele team. Specs lele is kind of unfair in a way where it kinda throws some basic building progression ideas out the window and how u need to be not super passive and have a good offensive gameplan and all that stuff all out the window because of Specs Psychic and Specs Psyshock. Which makes the building really simple, just try not to lose too hard defensively, have some pivots and lele will do all the magic for you! Tornadus is just in my eyes the best partner with lele as it forces some great knock offs for it and kinda shares similar checks and its coincidentally one of the fastest mons in the tier naturally! The rest of the team is just rock solid, even though there is a lot of corv hate sentiments in ss nowawadays i think this is definitely one of the places where it shines, all it needs to do is keep hazards off and be a slow uturn bot for lele. U dont even need to really answer Rillaboom here which is nice because it just means lele is free yet again. I posted 2 versions here as I personally prefer the chomp version as it allows for clef to be freed of it and lets u run aromatherapy on that which is really damn nice for tornadus cuz its very prone to getting staticbodied. the water resist is not super needed in SS as rocky helmet kinda acts as a water resist for shifu in a sense and other common waters like tapu fini and slowbro you do not really need a water resist for. you could definitely make the argument for some other mons like barraskewda and rain but we just loaded double grass in the game prior we didnt really think it was coming from our opponent. now Im writing this I just had the idea that you could potentially even try Seismitoad here??? and still be able to run Aroma on clef, yo this might be heat fellow ss enjoyers. https://pokepast.es/0b988e4855d0d673

also thanks cyberacc for pretty much all the help u gave me for keeping my sanity in check for SS. also thanks to lolebruh for tests
anyways thats it from me for now see yall next year goodbye! SS is fun please stop hating on it!
 
prepping for this tour gave me all kinds of headaches, and I still got my ass handed to me in pools so tbh I'm not sure what to make of it. I thought there was a ton of room for innovation in SS about a year ago, but in recent months games have felt very matchup dependent and difficult to navigate. I'm gonna quickly go over my team picks for my 4 games and spitball a bit so bear with me.

:moltres-galar: :clefable: :dragapult: :heatran: :ferrothorn: :landorus-therian: vs Jordy004
first game, kept it simple with a cookie cutter structure and molt-g as a wincon. thought it was very potent going into the tour since it punishes teams that rely on clef to deal with dark types and in general runs through standard clef ferro tran builds. thought I played the game well enough, the ending sequence was scuffed because I was dancing around kart sets. considered making the double to pult since kart can come in and clean house if timid, decided against it and tried to position myself to have pult in on lele. got there, but then lost to endure salac. such is life.

:volcarona: :tapu_lele: :hatterene: :landorus-therian: :kartana: :weavile: vs zioziotrip
this was really where my prep struggles started, I was flailing and had zero clue what to use here so I ended up bringing a fun ho I built a few months ago, affectionately called 'bouncin on it'. simple idea of cm lele and weav breaking for late game volc, team heavily punishes a lot of balance structures especially those using spdef chomp. unfortunately my matchup was horrid, lando being faster than lele killed any chance of winning and it fizzled out from there.

:slowking-galar: :urshifu-rapid-strike: :zapdos: :weavile: :garchomp: :ferrothorn: vs OranBerryBlissey10
similar struggles with prep here, in the end I felt happy bringing this team that damien the genius passed, pretty standard glowking offense but overall very fun to use. funnily enough during tests I said the rillaboom+blaziken+dragapult matchup sucked, and guess what my opponent loaded! I think I played the game reasonably well, but I couldn't get anything to work for me. heatran roll on glowking, chomp turns, fire fang flinch (!!!). matchup was ass, luck was worse, overall bad experience.

:clefable: :dragapult: :heatran: :tapu_lele: :landorus-therian: :kartana: vs z0mOG
once again, prep was difficult, but this time around I felt better about the ideas I was trying out. I did have some different stuff in mind but in the end I just couldn't figure it out in time, so I went with this team that leavers posted in the ss forum a few days ago. teams super strong and I would recommend it, cm clef is heavily underrated. made one change which was changing lele from specs to av with some bulk (ty spitfire), because I wasn't liking the matchup into opposing specs pult. game went well, cm clef had excellent matchup so I just had to make sure I positioned it properly and traded to get into the right endgame scenario. trolled a bit in the endgame by not stalling out gyros and risking sball crit but we move. was nice to get a win.

overall this tour was extremely disappointing for me, and I feel like I played better than my record suggests, but mons is mons and I'll have to live with that. I'm glad I managed to win my playoffs game at the very least. SS is still a good tier to play and its certainly the only one I can see myself playing going forward but games can feel extremely frustrating and prepping is just a complete nightmare. scouts feel completely useless and it feels like games come down to who loaded the right team for the right game (ik this sounds stupid). hopefully I can put in a better performance this SSPL.

quick shoutouts to Dj Breloominati♬ for helping with prep and giving direction when I really felt lost, and for keeping faith in me for playoffs. I'm glad I could reward that, but still gutted about the end result. this team definitely deserved more, and you were an excellent captain.
also thanks to my boys hellom for all the test games, and clean for the initial help during pools.
 
Teams and metagame insight further down

Going 4-1 in my return to SS OU was cool, but this tournament predominantly served as a reminder about how underachievement has defined my tenure. Northeast took a step in the right direction and I am proud of my teammates for getting it together after some pre/early-tour nonsense, but it is not a secret that we have underperformed overall. The same can be said for my teams across SPL/SCL, which have never won, and myself across individual tournaments. We won WCoP in 2018 and then I made Smogon Tour finals later that same year... surely that is not my peak, right?

This is what I said when we won WCoP back then:
With that said, I'm really fucking happy to finally have a trophy under my belt. I have been playing this game since 2011, played in PO tournaments since 2012, and have been a staple in the Smogon tournament community since ST18, which was all the way back in late 2014 -- I think it is safe to say that I was a bit overdue.
:smogduck: nobody tell him...

It obviously should not be my focus and I am still having fun with the game, but I do think it is natural to watch my peers, competitors, and good friends soar to heights well-above my heights despite starting later or playing less than I have. I am genuinely proud of them, too. There will be people I am happy for no matter who wins the ongoing finals tiebreak, but it only makes me want to win more for both myself and my future teammates. I have managed to (slowly and sometimes painfully) get most other aspects of my life together, but somehow this one goal I have in this hobby continues to elude me and it sometimes weighs on me more than it should. I have done a lot I am proud of on here, especially in the contribution sphere ranging from Charity Bowls to being one of the leaders of the community where so many people enjoy their hobby, but my legacy will never be complete and I will never be satisfied until I right the ship here.

I tell myself repeatedly that I am good enough and there is a mountain of evidence showing I am capable, but with every passing tour being one where my team does not win the least match of the season, my personal frustration grows. I am 10-4 on the sheet this year individually and it does not even fucking matter to me. I just want to win -- everything else is and will continue to be secondary. I am not going to blame being on poorly constructed SPL/SCL teams, bad timing, or sample sizes either...I've been doing this for well over ten years. At a certain point, all you can do is look in the mirror.

Hopefully I turn it around next time. You already know I will be trying my best to do so.

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As for my experience in SS this WCoP, it was a struggle despite my 4-1 record. Clutching up two meaningful playoff games will always be a positive and the Scarf Garchomp pull was awesome, but I think everyone in the room knew this was far from my best prep and not quite my cleanest execution. Building teams I found satisfactory was more of a struggle than I recalled it being back when I played SS during CG. I attribute part of this to not frequenting SS OU teambuilding heading into the tournament and part to the nature of pools, giving you three people to prepare for with some overlap. My self-talk was really negative during pools -- it absolutely felt like team selection served as a limiting factor during this period -- and I was able to flip the switch for playoffs, which was encouraging despite my struggles. I would like to thank ojr and tofa for some assistance throughout the tournament. I do not normally consult people outside of my team chat too much and I do not normally go through dozens of teams every single week, but somehow it worked out!

Pools vs Padox: - click for import

Plenty of people have used this structure. I have seen Punny pull off similar teams with CM Clefable and Explosion, hidden lead Landorus-T. I have seen Chait use a similar structure, which is actually what prompted my own exploration into the archetype. I am sure some others have tinkered with it, too. There are variations with Volcarona + Healing Wish Clefable, Dragapult over Zeraora and other sets changing, Eruption Heatran with Stealth Rock Landorus-T, etc. -- I was not particularly original with this team or my next team.

I did not know what to expect from Padox as he was not the most active player in recent years, but I knew he used to be formidable and I tend to have a big target on my back for obnoxious breakers. Multiscale Dragonite and the fastest non-choiced Pokemon in the tier, Zeraora, felt like great fits given this. I actually find Zeraora to be incredibly underrated in the tier, oftentimes pressuring teams well while providing something quicker than Dragapult, Weavile, and Tornadus-Therian that threatens each. Will-O-Wisp Heatran is another good pick, surprising Garchomp or Dragonite often. This and Sticky Barb Clefable felt like some nice, modern technology to bring against an opponent who I did not see playing the modern tier a ton.

It turned out Padox brought a nice, current metagame team with some threats, but thankfully I was able to dance around them with the help of all of the aforementioned Pokemon/sets in a good win here.

Pools vs I Feel Stabby:

A few small edits to th Ox team from SPL. This was a lousy bring for me that I wanted to use since it was different than my normal stuff. There are a number of reasons this backfired including giving someone like Stabby, who seems to have a background on the ladder, a match-up into a known/sample team is silly. Also, it really did not cover the dynamic offenses I expected too well. I got what I had coming, losing the game to a Rain team here.

I do not think I outright threw the game, but if I was able to read Choice Scarf Tapu Lele or make 1-2 more aggressive reads, I had a good chance to win. The high roll crit sucked in the game, but I was going to need to get a 50/50 or two right to have a good chance to win anyway, so nobody to blame here but myself. Great job from Stabby for taking advantage and poor, uninspired team selection from me.

I also think future Mandibuzz teams need hardcore Clefable insurance -- ideally two Steels or GKing + a Steel that beats Clefable, which Ferrothorn does not do. I actually got owned in a lot of tests with this and then tried to build other Mandibuzz teams, but just never quite made it work well enough. Ox has a gift of catering his teams to his playstyle and expectation better than just about anyone else this generation (perhaps up there with Damien) -- major kudos to both of them, but nobody should take their stuff and expect to match their results. It takes feel, comfort, and informed decision making to succeed after all. I lacked that here.

Pools vs xavgb:

xavgb is really fucking good at this game. I feel like he is incredibly battle tested into cheese and hard offenses, facing a ton across formats over the years. I wanted to bring something middle-of-the-road into him and give myself a chance to outplay in a generation I had more experience in. It worked out thankfully, but it was not all pretty.

My team was mostly just a standard Sand 5 with Victini. I was probably too weak to Swords Dance Garchomp and opposing Zeraora, but otherwise I quite liked this actually. Wisp Victini is cool as it forces progress simiarly to Wisp Heatran against offense while still working nicely with the pressure from Future Sight, Toxic Drill, etc. Nothing too crazy here though. Was a pleasure to play xavgb in the game and I was happy to escape with a win despite making a mistake or two with Slowbro, but I still felt there was room to improve and this could've easily gone either way. One hell of a game.

Quarters vs Zoyotte:

This week was a struggle to find a team until I let myself take some risks. Then, it all clicked in to place. I fully expected offense and him to try to abuse my balances, Ferrothorn being 3/3 in R1, and general tendency to pick safer teams. I needed to change it up and do so dramatically.

I had virtully 0 Tapu Fini usage and it covered Blaziken, Urshifu-R, Weavile, etc. with this RH set nicely, so it felt like an awesome partner for Choice Scarf Tapu Lele, which somehow...I have NEVER used in an official before this in SS OU. Crazy, eh? From there, I just pieced the team together and kept editing as I got in reps. Rotom-W was a huge pain in the ass to face, but otherwise this team was pretty awesome for me. Chople Melmetal is nice glue for SD Kartana and Focus Blast Tapu Lele among others. Timid Tapu Lele helped with Arctozolt if it ever came while also getting the jump on opposing Modest Scarf Lele.

I did mess up a little at the end of the game, giving myself a chance to lose to a critical hit. However, it did not crit and I won an otherwise pretty strong showing in our quarterfinal game here. I know I can still do better though. Was nice to play Zoyotte, who I feel is an underrated player and had the pleasure of teaming with in ADPL leading to WCoP. Great job to Africa for a good run and keep on pushing for the future!

Semifinals vs z0mOG:

Scarf Garchomp's soul read was nice and I had a feeling I could catch something...it just happened to be turn 1 lol

This week was chaos and the final product of it I was proud of despite it not being the most sound team. I probably built fifty teams and tried to make so many random permutations of AV Lele offense work before pivoting to this creation. My only way of beating Rotom-W was an early Toxic, Suicune stall (and maybe this one, but I got ahead and never let it roll me) was super uphill, and SubRoost Zapdos ended my life in some test games, but otherwise this team can be ok. I do think Choice Scarf Garchomp is more of a one-off than a new metagame adaptation though, so tread lightly if you intend to re-use this.

My game was pretty simple from the jump. Deep down, I knew I would win this game and it went mostly according to plan. I refuse to lose my game to West in playoffs for the second straight year, especially after I threw last season vs PZZ and there is always some narrative nonsense about me vs z0mOG since ST finals. He is my bro and I got so much respect for z0mOG, but this was an absolute must-win for me. My fucking fire alarm went off late-game, but by then I had it on ice and was able to navigate without too much risk thankfully. I remember my heart jumping out of my chest at this though lmaooo

I am pretty tired at this point and most sets are self-explanatory, but quote me or PM me if you got questions and I am happy to give a breakdown ofc. Here was the game.

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Overall, SS is a good, balanced metagame with lots of room for further evolution. It is slowly moving past "new" old gen shadow realm status, we are beginning to see a lot of people build new stuff again (major shoutout to SPL SS players, who did a great job showcasing stuff), and I think that the future of SS will be exciting!!! It was not an easy run for me, but I will be back for Masters for sure.
 
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