Media One Piece (spoilers!)

Xebec seems a little different from what I expected. I didn't expect a big, rough guy. I expected something more sinister, kinda like Blackbeard, but maybe this is on purpose for juxtaposition

I also don't think that the Father of Blackbeard thing is entirely true. That's a big reveal for a little text and doesn't seem right for Blackbeard, a guy that lives in shadows and came from nothing, to be the son of a super powerful pirate

Also, I guess Big Mom hasn't joined Xebec at that point in time

Let's see what will happen
 
Local Dog said:
Xebec seems a little different from what I expected. I didn't expect a big, rough guy. I expected something more sinister, kinda like Blackbeard, but maybe this is on purpose for juxtaposition

I also don't think that the Father of Blackbeard thing is entirely true. That's a big reveal for a little text and doesn't seem right for Blackbeard, a guy that lives in shadows and came from nothing, to be the son of a super powerful pirate

Also, I guess Big Mom hasn't joined Xebec at that point in time

Let's see what will happen
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I mean, I’m not sure why it would be a lie… and everything we’ve seen points towards it.

Sidenote:
Love that Rocks’ crew did indeed come from Davy Back Fight, as a fair few theorized. Maybe in fact Foxy is really his son. (more likely Foxy had heard of Rocks and decided to follow in his footsteps
 
foxy, porsche, and hamburg being more than characters of the day should've been clear at the end of the egghead arc when vegapunk's announcement leaked to the rest of the world. davy back fights were a big piece of foreshadowing for a while, even if luffy's techniques came off apparently situational compared to his usual attacks. it was a big brick joke the whole time, and now long ring long land is worth looking back at again, especially if you've skipped it like i did. (sad!)
 
phoopes said:
Back for the first time in a few months to say that I’m an anime only watcher and the announcement of the six month break made me remember that I have a lot of catching up to do.

Since I last posted I finished pre-timeskip (holy fuck Marineford was sooooo damn good) and now I’m in the Fishman Island arc. Not finding it quite as compelling as Marineford (but how would that even be possible haha) but I think it’s crazy that everything is so connected, the callbacks to Arlong Park made me wonder how Oda even thinks of these things this far in advance. Or even if he doesn’t his ability to maintain continuity is nuts
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I put One Piece down for awhile again, but I'm finishing up Punk Hazard right now. Solid arc IMO, especially at the end when the SAD/Smile reveal with Doflamingo making and selling the devil fruit to the Emperors. I'm highkey very intrigued by Doflamingo just based off design alone (yes I am judging a book by its cover lol) so it's cool that it's looking like he's set up to be the next main antagonist. Also loving the dynamics with Law and Smoker too, like I think Smoker especially is soooo well-written so far.

I've talked with some IRL friends about potentially reading the manga and I knooooow it would make it easier to catch up but I'm already 600+ episodes in so I think I'm just going to be an anime watcher lol. Also I forget if I mentioned it before but I watch the dub which makes me extra bad hahaha
 
phoopes said:
I put One Piece down for awhile again, but I'm finishing up Punk Hazard right now. Solid arc IMO, especially at the end when the SAD/Smile reveal with Doflamingo making and selling the devil fruit to the Emperors. I'm highkey very intrigued by Doflamingo just based off design alone (yes I am judging a book by its cover lol) so it's cool that it's looking like he's set up to be the next main antagonist. Also loving the dynamics with Law and Smoker too, like I think Smoker especially is soooo well-written so far.

I've talked with some IRL friends about potentially reading the manga and I knooooow it would make it easier to catch up but I'm already 600+ episodes in so I think I'm just going to be an anime watcher lol. Also I forget if I mentioned it before but I watch the dub which makes me extra bad hahaha
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Well I’d never tell someone to choose one form of OP over the other… the next arc will be pretty long, and the pacing is considered generally poor in the anime, especially for that arc. Just a heads up! I would reccommend if you did end up switching to read the digitally coloured version. Anyway, enjoy Doflamingo, hope you continue to enjoy One Piece!

Not even gonna touch the dub issue
 
phoopes said:
I put One Piece down for awhile again, but I'm finishing up Punk Hazard right now. Solid arc IMO, especially at the end when the SAD/Smile reveal with Doflamingo making and selling the devil fruit to the Emperors. I'm highkey very intrigued by Doflamingo just based off design alone (yes I am judging a book by its cover lol) so it's cool that it's looking like he's set up to be the next main antagonist. Also loving the dynamics with Law and Smoker too, like I think Smoker especially is soooo well-written so far.

I've talked with some IRL friends about potentially reading the manga and I knooooow it would make it easier to catch up but I'm already 600+ episodes in so I think I'm just going to be an anime watcher lol. Also I forget if I mentioned it before but I watch the dub which makes me extra bad hahaha
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Eyyyy I'm pretty much in the same spot, am about 30 episodes into Dressrosa. I think the only problem with Dressrosa pacing-wise is that it tries to skip around the characters too much each episode, instead of just dedicating an episode here and there to each one. For example, unlike in previous arcs, none of the characters just "disappear" like Sanji going off and doing his own thing behind the scenes in Water 7 or Franky in Punk Hazard. I think had they kept that up in this arc the pacing wouldn't feel so sluggish, because you're then not dedicating 5 minutes to each plot point in the 22 minutes of each episode.

Anyway, Doflamingo is pretty dope so far as a villain, I love that he actually feels menacing despite being one of the goofiest/flamboyant looking villain so far.

Also Bartolomeo best boy
 
Here's a big thing I love about One Piece despite all the pacing issues. Even though the details are gritty in premise, most characters do not really take the setting of the Blue Star seriously with the exception of the higher end World Nobles like the Five Elders and Secret Ruler of the World. Even the God's Knights and Cipher Pol employees have their one edgelord of a guy surrounded by buffoons to keep him in check, whether that Shamrock, Lucci, or anyone else with a similar dynamic. That being said, OP as a premise makes fun of itself in a way that makes it difficult for fans and other established works to do the same without missing the mark.
 
Chou Toshio said:
lol Roger was not the man of legend-- he couldn't be the one. Because he wasn't AroAce enough to be a Shonen main character. lol
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I’m glad Oda did the same to Rocks a few chaps later since everyone was glazing him and hating on Roger at the same time lol.

This is always why Naruto was always inferior to One Piece too.

If your protag doesn’t have a Goku-esque attitude towards women is it even a shonen?
 
Luffy is at the very least Aro, but is he confirmed to be Ace too? He reacts much differently towards women when other men aren't around, but he reacts like a straight guy around Usopp and Sanji, the former of which is also kinda pervy early on, but not as obvious as Sanji. What's with that? And is Zoro AroAce enough to be a shonen protagonist?

yes i know ace is also the name of luffy's brother, i meant asexuality
 
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Mova said:
Luffy is at the very least Aro, but is he confirmed to be Ace too? He reacts much differently towards women when other men aren't around, but he reacts like a straight guy around Usopp and Sanji, the former of which is also kinda pervy early on, but not as obvious as Sanji. What's with that?
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Oda said that's because Luffy mirrors Sanjis or Usopps reactions. It's like this scene:

Luffy just kinda said what Usopp said before. Same with women. And some scenes like Bon Clay showing Nami's tits was more shock, Luffy is daft but understands some social rules and gets that random nudity is shocking

Mova said:
And is Zoro AroAce enough to be a shonen protagonist?
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Mmh nah he'll prolly end up with someone by the end. I don't think he's aroace, I just think he's too preoccupied with swords. I think he'll end up with Tashigi. Not Robin, I don't know why people ship these two
 
Mova said:
Luffy is at the very least Aro, but is he confirmed to be Ace too? He reacts much differently towards women when other men aren't around, but he reacts like a straight guy around Usopp and Sanji, the former of which is also kinda pervy early on, but not as obvious as Sanji. What's with that? And is Zoro AroAce enough to be a shonen protagonist?
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ace is his brother did you even watch the show lol
 
Coronis said:
I’m glad Oda did the same to Rocks a few chaps later since everyone was glazing him and hating on Roger at the same time lol.

This is always why Naruto was always inferior to One Piece too.

If your protag doesn’t have a Goku-esque attitude towards women is it even a shonen?
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I think that the biggest thing that separates One Piece from other shounen, whether it be Naruto or anything else, including Dragon Ball, is most of all the motivation demonstrated by the author to take the story in a certain direction.

One Piece has a mission from a storytelling perspective, and more and more I'm thinking that having a political core and an underlying political agenda and mission is actually the key to keeping the author's motivation of a mission that builds such a dramatic story. One Piece wouldn't be One Piece if Oda wasn't honestly a radical communist (probably).

For instance, if we compare it to Attack on Titan, I think that is the only other manga story I've seen in recent memory with such an underlying completeness and motivation start to finish— again written as if it were a mission. Granted, it's awful because the mission is trying to bring its readers to the conclusion that bigotry and fascism are inevitable, that genocide is justifiable if it's the only way forward, to bring you to the crazed, confusing, awful ending of really what is a trash conclusion from reactionary politics. The ending is confusing and hypocritical because facism is hypocritical and its strategy is to confuse.

But the fact that the author had that mission underlying is what let him create such a thorough and complete story start to finish with strong archetypes and motivations and story riffs that serve the purpose of framing the story. Proof in point— I read it all and didn’t realize what was disgusting in the background until I got to the end and still had to watch FD Signifier’s vid on it to be able to name my revulsion with it.

One Piece is, in my opinion, not just an incredible manga, but the greatest literature of our era— and Oda’s been able to create this story because he was guided by the mission: a thorough, deep, and well-versed telling of story for what it means to have broad human liberation.

Edit: I was wrong. It wasn’t FD, it was a small YouTuber called Lost Futures whose all about Anime and the Middle East that did the best essays on why AoT is definitely Facist and One Piece is the most based series ever.

NGL the humanity of Elbaph hits even harder because of what’s going on in Gaza.
 
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Made a Facebook marketplace purchase yesterday:

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Includes volumes 1-108 of the manga (first three box sets, the rest are loose), as well as two Ace side story books, the Sanji cookbook, and a big ol artbook too. The guy said it was taking up too much room… his loss is my gain! I’ve been watching the anime on and off for awhile and am in Dressrosa right now, but I think with my manga purchase I’ll be able to get caught up to the rest of you much sooner lol

EDIT: also I’ve looked and asked in a bunch of different places online and can’t find an answer/no one has responded yet… anyone have any good leads on where I can find box set 4 but JUST the box? I have all the books, they’re just loose so I would like to put them in the box set so it looks nice and matches the first three.
 
phoopes said:
Made a Facebook marketplace purchase yesterday:

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Includes volumes 1-108 of the manga (first three box sets, the rest are loose), as well as two Ace side story books, the Sanji cookbook, and a big ol artbook too. The guy said it was taking up too much room… his loss is my gain! I’ve been watching the anime on and off for awhile and am in Dressrosa right now, but I think with my manga purchase I’ll be able to get caught up to the rest of you much sooner lol

EDIT: also I’ve looked and asked in a bunch of different places online and can’t find an answer/no one has responded yet… anyone have any good leads on where I can find box set 4 but JUST the box? I have all the books, they’re just loose so I would like to put them in the box set so it looks nice and matches the first three.
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Fuck that looks good

How much did you pay?
 
It’s strange…

Not gonna lie guys, Rocks seems like a based king. So far he’s almost identical to Roger as a character archetype, but even more based for the direct antagonism to Imu and Marie Joias.

I think that before really getting into this actual memory arc we expected Rocks to be like Blackbeard or Kaido on steroids— chaotic evil, with some noble traits/shared values with Luffy/Roger but ultimately a pillar of dominance, subjugation, and uncontrollable chaos/violence—

But so far, aside from lacking a moment where they really show off his strength (all we know is that he’s got the king’s aura to clash swords at the top and that crazy strong pirates follow him)—

As a character he’s just a chad, real main character energy.

-Protects a territory and his friends
-Clearly runs a democratic crew totally different from Kaido/Big Mom and arguably even less hierarchical than the White Beard Crew
-Openly and aggressively picks fights with the top of the WG Ala Dragon with more spine than ANY character to date except arguably Luffy and Fisher Tiger
-Instigates for nations like Elbaf to fight the Empire not join it
-Throws everything aside to save his “wife and kid”

Everything tells us this is the good guy—

It’s a strange place to be in with his character going into God Valley.

Like real deal— HOW do we get to the conclusion of this without me despising Garp and being especially disgusted/disappointed with Roger?
 
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What if it turns out that everyone is "Not That Bad(TM)" except most World Nobles? I swear to whatever the hell if Doffy turns out to be "Not That Bad(TM)" I will flip a table somewhere. Cross Guild is trying to rescue and/or recruit him so he might? His less major subordinates like Senor Pink were pretty cool though.
 
phoopes said:
Made a Facebook marketplace purchase yesterday:

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Includes volumes 1-108 of the manga (first three box sets, the rest are loose), as well as two Ace side story books, the Sanji cookbook, and a big ol artbook too. The guy said it was taking up too much room… his loss is my gain! I’ve been watching the anime on and off for awhile and am in Dressrosa right now, but I think with my manga purchase I’ll be able to get caught up to the rest of you much sooner lol

EDIT: also I’ve looked and asked in a bunch of different places online and can’t find an answer/no one has responded yet… anyone have any good leads on where I can find box set 4 but JUST the box? I have all the books, they’re just loose so I would like to put them in the box set so it looks nice and matches the first three.
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In the three-ish weeks since this post, I’m officially halfway to being caught up lol (in terms of number of chapters read). Very much enjoying the manga, I’m not up to the point yet where I was in the anime but my god the pacing is so much better at times. Even if I’m not getting the pretty motion and colors and voice acting of the anime this is probably my preferred method of experiencing One Piece. Once I’m actually caught up on the manga I’ll go back and pick up where I left off in the anime but this has been great.
 
Jeez, this Big Daddy guy is on fire... new favorite alongside Lost Futures




Lost Futures




In this day and age, I refuse to watch ANY One Piece youtuber who isn't explicitly political and antifascist.
 
phoopes said:
In the three-ish weeks since this post, I’m officially halfway to being caught up lol (in terms of number of chapters read). Very much enjoying the manga, I’m not up to the point yet where I was in the anime but my god the pacing is so much better at times. Even if I’m not getting the pretty motion and colors and voice acting of the anime this is probably my preferred method of experiencing One Piece. Once I’m actually caught up on the manga I’ll go back and pick up where I left off in the anime but this has been great.
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I actually just hit another big milestone, finished chapter 721 which is the first “new” one for me since I had seen the anime up to that point. The pacing in Dressrosa in the anime was such a slog but it’s so much more enjoyable reading it. And doing it all with physical books is the icing on the cake! Great experience for me, highly recommend getting the box sets off like Facebook marketplace or something similar like I did because it’s so much cheaper than buying individually and it looks prettier in the displays as well lol
 
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