It is one-dimensional with four-dimensional moves/ability.
I haven't actually tried bulk up but it definitely sounds better in theory. I guess I was wrong about the one trick pony part but hey that is gen 9 I guess lol.
What do you mean by one dimensional? I would say it does mire than just set hazards, one of the sets doesn't even have any, and it's more than just a fat check to special attackers, since fat checks don't really use weakness policy. I think there is a reason that we continue to see more creativity around this month as the meta develops, and a reason that it's been a write-in on some surveys. Im not really convinced an s-rank mon can be labeled as one dimensional
Considering about half of the bans throughout this gen have been on comically one-dimensional mons for the sole reason of "this thing hits too hard, nothing can defend against it consistently bar none" (see: sneasler, roaring moon first ban, hearthflame, bloodmoon, etc.) it is absolutely possible for an s-rank mon to be one-dimensional. Not to say Ting-lu is a one-dimensional mon, as has been clearly stated it DOES have some set variety, that variety is nowhere near the same level as his fellow s-tiers. In fact, i'd argue he only has the SECOND least set variety with first place going to Kingambit whos set variety mostly boils down to "which of my checks do i want to give a big fat middle finger to"
Ranking =/= broken. In general, s tier mons are very splashable, which is one of the main things that distinbuish s from A+. Roaring moon was A+, Duraladon was A+, Gouging fire was A, etc. (I just scanned the changelogs, I don't remember what the mons specifically were before they were banned, but in general if something is so broken that it is S rank and broken it feels that it is much closer to quickban territory than suspect).
I was making a joke lol
I just wanted to say that while you aren't wrong Dragonite is S- and if this tera blast discussion goes nowhere (which seems to be the case) then it will be the next thing on the chopping block potentially
Prob a bulky spread
Dragonite is about to become the next protagonist of Dirty Dancing (the movie).
this set loses to ogerpon. I have tried bu quaq, and its good, but u usually want a flying move over encore and maybe a diff tera. flying move is super nice for nailing oger, za, and generally being good neutral coverage (besides bolt but what can you do)
The one time I am happy a comment of mine aged like milk. Soooooo Dragonite is S now. Can't see I didn't see that coming. And considering Shaymin Sky, a vr council member, said that Dragonite can still get even better there is definitely a possibility for not only a potential rise to S+ (which I doubt but as my favorite pokemon it would be really really funny) but also a potential suspect like I said in the post above.
Yes to the above. While I think Dragonite still has a lot of room for even more set experimentation, it is by no means meta defining enough to the degree of lets say GSC Snorlax where it'd be mandatory to use which is what S+ is. SV is too dynamic and varied of a metagame to ever have a "you have to use x", and I think there being 3 S tier Pokemon, and 4 S- tier Pokemon proves that the tier isn't defined by a few Pokemon at all, unlike majority previous generations.
To be fair I did say that I doubt it but either way that is understandable. As much as I love Dragonite and despite it definitely deserving the S rank it was gifted today, Dragonite will likely not be on the same scale as DPP Jirachi or GSC Snorlax.
I like to think that Ogerpon-Wellspring pressures that team pretty hard, especially if it has Play Rough.
Garg is pretty good at maintaining rocks vs those two, Also Ghold can block defog allowing you to set rocks again after ace court changes.
This is a throwback set that worked in multiple generations. It could really use Body Slam over Protect to go for para flinch hax, but it doesn't seem powerful or bulky enough to warrant a spot on an SV OU team. Walling Kyurem seems to be its best quality, but even Kyurem could Pressure stall it out in the worst case scenario. I also worry about it losing straight up to Kingambit and Gholdengo, but U-turn can mitigate much of that.
It actually does win the subtect interaction thanks to wish still having 16pp, and yeah I agree with what you said about body slam, its not really worth it all tbh. However I disagree that it isn't bulky enough, 100/100/100 bulk with reliable recovery is still very good by SV standards. Also the power argument doesn't make a whole lot of sense since its primary job is to be a pivot (because mola does a ton of damage LOL)
