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sleep legal
tradebacks
Regular LC VR, tiers ordered
Writeup : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EOQWsckZ1uX3f9wUemC43Qoyagir1KP6QKsCY69MphI/edit?usp=sharing
This and the writeup are prolly sucky but i feel decently confident in these (this is for normal lc)
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Brand new to the format, only having started playing it with the spotlight ladder and accompanying tournament. I felt like I was pretty active on ladder and thankfully got to experience a good variety of 'mons, although some more than others, which could lead to some variance amongst my lower tier picks. I feel like there are probably a fair number of other water types that are viable, but don't really warrant mention because they are outclassed by other waters.
As I'm still new, please let me know if you disagree with my rankings from my recent experience.
Brand new to the format, only having started playing it with the spotlight ladder and accompanying tournament. I felt like I was pretty active on ladder and thankfully got to experience a good variety of 'mons, although some more than others, which could lead to some variance amongst my lower tier picks. I feel like there are probably a fair number of other water types that are viable, but don't really warrant mention because they are outclassed by other waters.
As I'm still new, please let me know if you disagree with my rankings from my recent experience.
Is Clefairy allowed in this format? Its lowest legal Level in the Gens I and II games is 6, so I don't see how you can obtain a Level 5 Clefairy without using a cheating device, or by using bugs and glitches.
The OP has a section explaining that level looping is allowed
Alright friends, its finally time - here are your new RBY LC and RBY LC TBs Viability Rankings!
Regular LC - 9 submitters
Anything ranked by fewer than 5 submitters is excluded from the final VR but may appear in the graphs.
Tradebacks - 6 submitters
Anything ranked by fewer than 3 submitters is excluded from the final VR but may appear in the singular graph. Due to the isolation in tiers of the top 3 Pokemon they've been compressed into a singular S+ tier.
Future Tiering Action/Survey Results
I will be running suspects on Sleep and Accuracy-lowering moves shortly for regular LC. Sleep was extremely divisive but 9 voters wanted either sleep or a sleep inflicting Pokemon gone, 6 wanted it to stay, and 4 were undecided. That seems controversial enough to test, to me, and the proportion of voters heavily favors testing sleep as a whole rather than just Poliwag. Accuracy-lowering moves introduce more RNG to a tier that already relies heavily on 50/50s and speed ties, so I will also launch a suspect on that, likely before sleep since I want to give some time for people to discuss sleep. After these two suspects, I'm hoping to run another tournament if anything is banned and see how the metagame feels, then look at tiering action on individual Pokemon.
With an average of 4.74, respondents lean toward enjoying RBY LC.
With an average of 3.58, respondents lean toward finding RBY LC a little lacking in skill - definitely a reason for tiering action.
With an average of 3.21, respondents find RBY LC to somewhat lack diversity. This is a bit expected in such a restricted format, but still can probably be improved a bit.
Regular LC - 9 submitters
Anything ranked by fewer than 5 submitters is excluded from the final VR but may appear in the graphs.
S Rank:
01 Staryu
02 Diglett
03 Exeggcute
A+ Rank
04 Voltorb
05 Poliwag
06 Abra
07 Pikachu
A Rank
08 Gastly
09 Drowzee
10 Meowth
11 Slowpoke
12 Rattata
13 Ponyta
B+ Rank
14 Dratini
15 Pidgey
B Rank
16 Eevee
17 Doduo
18 Geodude
C Rank
19 Rhyhorn
20 Clefairy
21 Horsea
01 Staryu
02 Diglett
03 Exeggcute
A+ Rank
04 Voltorb
05 Poliwag
06 Abra
07 Pikachu
A Rank
08 Gastly
09 Drowzee
10 Meowth
11 Slowpoke
12 Rattata
13 Ponyta
B+ Rank
14 Dratini
15 Pidgey
B Rank
16 Eevee
17 Doduo
18 Geodude
C Rank
19 Rhyhorn
20 Clefairy
21 Horsea
Yes, one person ranked Spearow and it made the graphs funny and booted Horsea off, don't worry about it.
Tradebacks - 6 submitters
Anything ranked by fewer than 3 submitters is excluded from the final VR but may appear in the singular graph. Due to the isolation in tiers of the top 3 Pokemon they've been compressed into a singular S+ tier.
S+ Rank
01 Staryu
02 Abra
03 Diglett
S Rank
04 Doduo
05 Drowzee
A+ Rank
06 Exeggcute
07 Pikachu
08 Voltorb
A Rank
09 Meowth
B+ Rank
10 Eevee
11 Rattata
B Rank
12 Slowpoke
13 Clefairy
14 Dratini
15 Ponyta
C Rank
16 Gastly
17 Geodude
18 Rhyhorn
19 Poliwag
01 Staryu
02 Abra
03 Diglett
S Rank
04 Doduo
05 Drowzee
A+ Rank
06 Exeggcute
07 Pikachu
08 Voltorb
A Rank
09 Meowth
B+ Rank
10 Eevee
11 Rattata
B Rank
12 Slowpoke
13 Clefairy
14 Dratini
15 Ponyta
C Rank
16 Gastly
17 Geodude
18 Rhyhorn
19 Poliwag
Again, Omanyte (ranked by 2 people) shoved off Poliwag, don't worry about it.
S Rank
Staryu 3->1 (+2) No surprises here, Staryu is now recognized as a potentially-problematic unwallable demon.
Diglett 1->2 (-1) Diglett's not regarded any worse, Staryu just surpassed it.
Exeggcute 2->3 (-1) See above.
A+ Rank
Voltorb 4->4 (0)
Poliwag 5->5 (0)
Abra 6->6 (0)
Pikachu 9->7 (+2) The only change in this subrank, Pikachu gained ground probably moreso because of Ponyta and Slowpoke dropping than anything.
A Rank
Gastly 11->8 (+3) Increasing recognition of Normal-types seems to be great for Gastly, giving it more chances to get in early and get sleep then threaten Explosion.
Drowzee 10->9 (+1)
Meowth 13->10 (+3) 90 Speed STAB Normal attacker with no weaknesses and sort-of coverage, Meowth is just getting due recognition.
Slowpoke 8->11 (-3) Slowpoke's ability to sort of check Diglett is cool but it's slow and has to not get crit to do anything and one wrong guess = dead poke.
Rattata 15->12 (+3) More Normal-type glowups, Rattata is a good Diglett revenge killer and has STAB Quick Attack + Blizzard sucks for Exeggcute.
Ponyta 7->13 (-6) I had this mon at 12th during the last VR and I'm being proven right, Water/Ground weaknesses are tough even if Agility is a good tool.
B+ Rank
Dratini 16->14 (+2) As people get better at using it, Dratini gets better at committing highway robbery and winning games 1v3 at the very end.
Pidgey 17->15 (+2) Not as big of a glowup as Meowth/Rattata/Eevee but Pidgey still is getting recognized a bit for being the only Flying-type that actually has any tools in this tier.
B Rank
Eevee 19->16 (+3) As with Rattata, STAB Normal moves and Quick Attack, but you lose Blizzard for slightly more bulk in a couple matchups.
Doduo 14->17 (-3) People are starting to realize Doduo doesn't actually do anything (Diglett Body Slam->Rock Slide KOs it unlike Pidgey so good luck getting in) but I think some submitters just randomly believe this has Quick Attack and that lets it cling on here. Genuinely unsure what it's meant to be doing here - I guess Body Slam is a thing but you have to get a safe entry just to have a 70% chance to lose to Diglett anyway, whereas Pidgey has QA to snipe it after one hit.
Geodude 26->18 (+8) People have realized Explosion > whatever Rhyhorn's doing, but this is still niche when the best Normal-types and Pikachu can both hit it, since it only really walls Voltorb, Eevee, and (the fake as fuck) Doduo.
C Rank
Rhyhorn 19->12 (-7) As with Ponyta, I said this guy was super overrated last VR, and as with Doduo, people are realizing it doesn't really have the tools here, but it's still clinging on by a couple voters rating it really high.
Clefairy 18->20 (-2) Clefairy's just barely lacking the bulk to actually be really terrifying, so it's stuck down here. If it could actually take 2 hits from things like Diglett or Staryu, it would probably be way higher.
Horsea 21->21 (0)
Everything else Ranked->Unranked, we trimmed the fat this VR instead of ranking literally every guy in the tier. I do think we could've ranked down lower but we had very few submissions for mons that probably would make it to D rank like the fossils, grasses, and Venonat.
Staryu 3->1 (+2) No surprises here, Staryu is now recognized as a potentially-problematic unwallable demon. Diglett 1->2 (-1) Diglett's not regarded any worse, Staryu just surpassed it. Exeggcute 2->3 (-1) See above.A+ Rank
Voltorb 4->4 (0) Poliwag 5->5 (0) Abra 6->6 (0) Pikachu 9->7 (+2) The only change in this subrank, Pikachu gained ground probably moreso because of Ponyta and Slowpoke dropping than anything.A Rank
Gastly 11->8 (+3) Increasing recognition of Normal-types seems to be great for Gastly, giving it more chances to get in early and get sleep then threaten Explosion. Drowzee 10->9 (+1) Meowth 13->10 (+3) 90 Speed STAB Normal attacker with no weaknesses and sort-of coverage, Meowth is just getting due recognition. Slowpoke 8->11 (-3) Slowpoke's ability to sort of check Diglett is cool but it's slow and has to not get crit to do anything and one wrong guess = dead poke. Rattata 15->12 (+3) More Normal-type glowups, Rattata is a good Diglett revenge killer and has STAB Quick Attack + Blizzard sucks for Exeggcute. Ponyta 7->13 (-6) I had this mon at 12th during the last VR and I'm being proven right, Water/Ground weaknesses are tough even if Agility is a good tool.B+ Rank
Dratini 16->14 (+2) As people get better at using it, Dratini gets better at committing highway robbery and winning games 1v3 at the very end. Pidgey 17->15 (+2) Not as big of a glowup as Meowth/Rattata/Eevee but Pidgey still is getting recognized a bit for being the only Flying-type that actually has any tools in this tier.B Rank
Eevee 19->16 (+3) As with Rattata, STAB Normal moves and Quick Attack, but you lose Blizzard for slightly more bulk in a couple matchups. Doduo 14->17 (-3) People are starting to realize Doduo doesn't actually do anything (Diglett Body Slam->Rock Slide KOs it unlike Pidgey so good luck getting in) but I think some submitters just randomly believe this has Quick Attack and that lets it cling on here. Genuinely unsure what it's meant to be doing here - I guess Body Slam is a thing but you have to get a safe entry just to have a 70% chance to lose to Diglett anyway, whereas Pidgey has QA to snipe it after one hit. Geodude 26->18 (+8) People have realized Explosion > whatever Rhyhorn's doing, but this is still niche when the best Normal-types and Pikachu can both hit it, since it only really walls Voltorb, Eevee, and (the fake as fuck) Doduo.C Rank
Rhyhorn 19->12 (-7) As with Ponyta, I said this guy was super overrated last VR, and as with Doduo, people are realizing it doesn't really have the tools here, but it's still clinging on by a couple voters rating it really high. Clefairy 18->20 (-2) Clefairy's just barely lacking the bulk to actually be really terrifying, so it's stuck down here. If it could actually take 2 hits from things like Diglett or Staryu, it would probably be way higher. Horsea 21->21 (0)Everything else Ranked->Unranked, we trimmed the fat this VR instead of ranking literally every guy in the tier. I do think we could've ranked down lower but we had very few submissions for mons that probably would make it to D rank like the fossils, grasses, and Venonat.
Future Tiering Action/Survey Results
I will be running suspects on Sleep and Accuracy-lowering moves shortly for regular LC. Sleep was extremely divisive but 9 voters wanted either sleep or a sleep inflicting Pokemon gone, 6 wanted it to stay, and 4 were undecided. That seems controversial enough to test, to me, and the proportion of voters heavily favors testing sleep as a whole rather than just Poliwag. Accuracy-lowering moves introduce more RNG to a tier that already relies heavily on 50/50s and speed ties, so I will also launch a suspect on that, likely before sleep since I want to give some time for people to discuss sleep. After these two suspects, I'm hoping to run another tournament if anything is banned and see how the metagame feels, then look at tiering action on individual Pokemon.
With an average of 4.74, respondents lean toward enjoying RBY LC.
With an average of 3.58, respondents lean toward finding RBY LC a little lacking in skill - definitely a reason for tiering action.
With an average of 3.21, respondents find RBY LC to somewhat lack diversity. This is a bit expected in such a restricted format, but still can probably be improved a bit.
I think, with sleep clause present, sleep is fine as it makes players have to think strategically about which Pokemon they want to sleep sacrifice. This is an important part of team building and thinking through the game state, especially when Pokemon are not revealed. This is one of the more meaningful decisions to make within a game.
Poliwag is only as good as it is because it can fish for sleeps
poliwag is a bitch but its mons luck will luck
poliwag could be suspected but i chose no mon needs to be banned as i am not strongly in support of this. sleep as a whole is fine but poliwag has the worst of the whole speed tie and variance thing.
I think it’s an entirely different format without sleep. Egg is a fun piece and is very valuable with sleep, much less so without and I’m not sure introducing para as the primary mechanic with sleep gone would make things any less rng dependent. I don’t like poliwag’s role as a sleep lead, as it is super rng dependent and rewards a 30% gamble, but I’m not sure it needs to go entirely. Electric leads are a little fishy since you lose to abra and sink momentum with egg/dig in the back so it’s hard to punish lead wag as well.
Poliwag can sometimes be an issue, but I feel like it’s inconsistency often doesn’t even make it worth using, on top of the fact that it can still lose after sleeping and using amnesia to one unlucky crit, para, or speed tie loss in the first place. Essentially, while it’s the closest to banworthy, I still feel there is enough counter play to it
Prob better to ban sleep than banning something like Exeggcute since we need the Diglett resist, but landing sleep with something like Poliwag makes it extremely hard to switch in and makes the tier very reliant on stuff like t1 poliwag mirror speed ties. Haven't played the sleep banned meta but it looks better
Currently, it seems that ADV, DPP and BW LC has sleep banned due to how powerful it is and also how hard it is to wake up in all 3 meta's (ADV and DPP have no bulk and therefore, sleep is an instant KO since you never have time to wake up, BW have sleep mechanics that causes the same issue).RBY LC has the exact same issue where sleep is just an instant KO with no chances of waking up when the opponent plays it well due to how much damage any move does in this tier.
I'm torn on sleep. It seems wag is the most divisive aspect of sleep, essentially coin flipping turn 1, but to that end, even if you land sleep, it doesn't necessarily mean game over - tho it does definitely have a large impact. Besides hypno and its high speed, wag doesn't seem to offer much to the meta, especially when you have staryu being the better water type. I think I'd lean toward a wag ban - I could see it at least diviserifying openings and the meta in general. I feel like losing it doesn't jeopardize much. But, it's still not super consistent and can easily do nothing in a match - so I marked im not sure. But if it was put to a vote, i would probably vote ban.
I’d also be fine if Poliwag got banned as an alternative but I think all of sleep should be banned considering nothing is bulky enough to outlast the sleep unless you wake up immediately, even if both Drowzee and Eggy are slowI also think Poli would likely be fine instead of constricting if sleep was banned instead of Poli
Sleep should be banned if tradebacks are legal.
Ew
Exeggcute's viability hinges on Sleep. Without sleep Diglett is extremely broken. But without Diglett, the meta would be so much worse off for it. So I'm conflicted.
Poliwag is only as good as it is because it can fish for sleeps
poliwag is a bitch but its mons luck will luck
poliwag could be suspected but i chose no mon needs to be banned as i am not strongly in support of this. sleep as a whole is fine but poliwag has the worst of the whole speed tie and variance thing.
I think it’s an entirely different format without sleep. Egg is a fun piece and is very valuable with sleep, much less so without and I’m not sure introducing para as the primary mechanic with sleep gone would make things any less rng dependent. I don’t like poliwag’s role as a sleep lead, as it is super rng dependent and rewards a 30% gamble, but I’m not sure it needs to go entirely. Electric leads are a little fishy since you lose to abra and sink momentum with egg/dig in the back so it’s hard to punish lead wag as well.
Poliwag can sometimes be an issue, but I feel like it’s inconsistency often doesn’t even make it worth using, on top of the fact that it can still lose after sleeping and using amnesia to one unlucky crit, para, or speed tie loss in the first place. Essentially, while it’s the closest to banworthy, I still feel there is enough counter play to it
Prob better to ban sleep than banning something like Exeggcute since we need the Diglett resist, but landing sleep with something like Poliwag makes it extremely hard to switch in and makes the tier very reliant on stuff like t1 poliwag mirror speed ties. Haven't played the sleep banned meta but it looks better
Currently, it seems that ADV, DPP and BW LC has sleep banned due to how powerful it is and also how hard it is to wake up in all 3 meta's (ADV and DPP have no bulk and therefore, sleep is an instant KO since you never have time to wake up, BW have sleep mechanics that causes the same issue).RBY LC has the exact same issue where sleep is just an instant KO with no chances of waking up when the opponent plays it well due to how much damage any move does in this tier.
I'm torn on sleep. It seems wag is the most divisive aspect of sleep, essentially coin flipping turn 1, but to that end, even if you land sleep, it doesn't necessarily mean game over - tho it does definitely have a large impact. Besides hypno and its high speed, wag doesn't seem to offer much to the meta, especially when you have staryu being the better water type. I think I'd lean toward a wag ban - I could see it at least diviserifying openings and the meta in general. I feel like losing it doesn't jeopardize much. But, it's still not super consistent and can easily do nothing in a match - so I marked im not sure. But if it was put to a vote, i would probably vote ban.
I’d also be fine if Poliwag got banned as an alternative but I think all of sleep should be banned considering nothing is bulky enough to outlast the sleep unless you wake up immediately, even if both Drowzee and Eggy are slowI also think Poli would likely be fine instead of constricting if sleep was banned instead of Poli
Sleep should be banned if tradebacks are legal.
Ew
Exeggcute's viability hinges on Sleep. Without sleep Diglett is extremely broken. But without Diglett, the meta would be so much worse off for it. So I'm conflicted.
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The Big Three shape the metagame and provide stability to it. If Diglett was banned then Staryu would be too strong, without Staryu then Diglett becomes too strong. Exeggcute fits in nicely by checking Diglett and not getting OHKO'd by Staryu while threatening status/boom in return, all while being kept in check by its low speed.
Poliwag is a moderate risk for moderate reward Pokemon. Missing a 60% sleep move while speed tying with many in the tier leaves it vulnerable to accomplishing nothing. Tradeoffs must be chosen between Surf/Psychic/Blizzard/Hydro Pump in order to OHKO certain cast members after only one special boost and it remains susceptible to physical attacks still. I think the biggest argument to Poliwag being "unhealthy" is a question about Hypnosis and Sleep in general rather than specific to Poliwag.
Voltorb keeps the above in check and doesn't feel unhealthy while the other four are present.
Poliwag is only as busted as it is because of sleep. Eggs also having sleep access makes it more annoying than usual.
I think staryu having perfect coverage (often making it best fought with ur own) is a little mickey. The worst aspect of LC is when in a Staryu mirror one Staryu wins the tie and crits tbolt. At this point the game is pretty much over. However I still think Staryu is a net positive for the tier so idk about banning it. If staryu was banned you maybe have to look into poliwag as well
Either sleep or poliwag should be banned
They're broken mainly because of sleep-inducing moves
Poliwag explanation was in previous section as sleep is mainly its issue, Staryu mostly is borderline because of its lack of switchins, but it can usually check itself well, or it gets destroyed by elecs
wag hypno is silly
Ratings are contingent on no tradebacks LC
Staryu is FUCKED UP, Poliwag is only unhealthy in the sense that t1 poliwag sleep mirrors are degenerate. Voltorb is literally fine
I think most make sense, but I believe that banning sleep and sand attack will fix the issues, since eggy and poliwag will become less broken with no sleep and even staryu might become less of a problem because you dont have to sleep sack something.
Egg is the best defensive mon but it's slow speed makes it pretty manageable. It's somewhat centralizing, but idk if I'd consider it broken. Staryu is fast and, in my experience, generally comes down to winning speed ties with the opponents staryu. But with the prevalence of pikachu and voltorb, it doesnt feel too broken. I've talked on wag in last Q and I lean toward broken but just barely. Altho very fast, volt and dug don't feel broken - they seem to be pretty manageable.
Diglett is fast and strong but it switchins are essentially just thunder wave. Most good teams will have more than 1 way to deal with a diglett so I think it’s fineBoth Eggy and Poli are as high as they are because of sleep. I’d be willing to rerank after should sleep be bannedStaryu is a lot more dicey since while it does have the coverage to fight nearly everything, the things it does lose to (electric types) demolish it. Probably the hardest to get a read on. Undeniably top tier but idk how “broken” it is per seI think Voltorb is fine? I mean most teams have dig and egg so it’ll always have something to stonewall it without booming but if you need to boom to win matchups, yeaaaah not that broken imo
I dislike poliwag, but I think it's fine without sleep, as much as I don't like that.
I assume that sleep is banned so everything except diglett is healthy.I played several rbylc without sleep games with my friend Suwa and I found that Diglett is extremely important in this metagame and a game would always lead to Diglett vs diglett situation.But I think it provides some fun strategies,for example we found that diglett can't kill diglett at full,but after a quick attack it kills,which makes diglett afraid to take these hits,a potential priority attack would force diglett out.Therefore I think it deserves more exploration.
Poliwag is completely fine. Unlike other tiers where things have bulk everything dies in two hits in LV. 5 so even if Poliwag lands sleep its not that bad for the opponent. Poliwag is also easily switched into by Staryu.
Poliwag is a moderate risk for moderate reward Pokemon. Missing a 60% sleep move while speed tying with many in the tier leaves it vulnerable to accomplishing nothing. Tradeoffs must be chosen between Surf/Psychic/Blizzard/Hydro Pump in order to OHKO certain cast members after only one special boost and it remains susceptible to physical attacks still. I think the biggest argument to Poliwag being "unhealthy" is a question about Hypnosis and Sleep in general rather than specific to Poliwag.
Voltorb keeps the above in check and doesn't feel unhealthy while the other four are present.
Poliwag is only as busted as it is because of sleep. Eggs also having sleep access makes it more annoying than usual.
I think staryu having perfect coverage (often making it best fought with ur own) is a little mickey. The worst aspect of LC is when in a Staryu mirror one Staryu wins the tie and crits tbolt. At this point the game is pretty much over. However I still think Staryu is a net positive for the tier so idk about banning it. If staryu was banned you maybe have to look into poliwag as well
Either sleep or poliwag should be banned
They're broken mainly because of sleep-inducing moves
Poliwag explanation was in previous section as sleep is mainly its issue, Staryu mostly is borderline because of its lack of switchins, but it can usually check itself well, or it gets destroyed by elecs
wag hypno is silly
Ratings are contingent on no tradebacks LC
Staryu is FUCKED UP, Poliwag is only unhealthy in the sense that t1 poliwag sleep mirrors are degenerate. Voltorb is literally fine
I think most make sense, but I believe that banning sleep and sand attack will fix the issues, since eggy and poliwag will become less broken with no sleep and even staryu might become less of a problem because you dont have to sleep sack something.
Egg is the best defensive mon but it's slow speed makes it pretty manageable. It's somewhat centralizing, but idk if I'd consider it broken. Staryu is fast and, in my experience, generally comes down to winning speed ties with the opponents staryu. But with the prevalence of pikachu and voltorb, it doesnt feel too broken. I've talked on wag in last Q and I lean toward broken but just barely. Altho very fast, volt and dug don't feel broken - they seem to be pretty manageable.
Diglett is fast and strong but it switchins are essentially just thunder wave. Most good teams will have more than 1 way to deal with a diglett so I think it’s fineBoth Eggy and Poli are as high as they are because of sleep. I’d be willing to rerank after should sleep be bannedStaryu is a lot more dicey since while it does have the coverage to fight nearly everything, the things it does lose to (electric types) demolish it. Probably the hardest to get a read on. Undeniably top tier but idk how “broken” it is per seI think Voltorb is fine? I mean most teams have dig and egg so it’ll always have something to stonewall it without booming but if you need to boom to win matchups, yeaaaah not that broken imo
I dislike poliwag, but I think it's fine without sleep, as much as I don't like that.
I assume that sleep is banned so everything except diglett is healthy.I played several rbylc without sleep games with my friend Suwa and I found that Diglett is extremely important in this metagame and a game would always lead to Diglett vs diglett situation.But I think it provides some fun strategies,for example we found that diglett can't kill diglett at full,but after a quick attack it kills,which makes diglett afraid to take these hits,a potential priority attack would force diglett out.Therefore I think it deserves more exploration.
Poliwag is completely fine. Unlike other tiers where things have bulk everything dies in two hits in LV. 5 so even if Poliwag lands sleep its not that bad for the opponent. Poliwag is also easily switched into by Staryu.
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