Other 1v1 Tournament Policy Discussion Thread

bellchime · Aug 11, 2025

I think status quo is fine for world cup for the most part. I don't like the idea of adding smth like natdex 1v1, as I see 1v1 World Cup as a tour where you take 1v1 players from your region and not natdex mainers. I think SS7 SS5 isn't a bad option either with dropping SV4, as SS5 did not seem terrible during PL, but I do think that 4 SV fits for this tour best.

I'm not a fan of the grandfathering rules in the lost heros post. Using the example listed, quite a few players from Central played for South. Giving them the opportunity to play for South despite living in Central will make it harder to figure out how many potential players South and Central have as regions.

LongRat · Aug 11, 2025

If any slot should be changed, it should be SV4 as others have said. I don't support SS7 as a replacement, because that's just the PL format which we just played. DPP is... fine? I guess? I doubt many people really want that though over SV4.

There is a better option than these, however...

1V1 UU BAYBEEE WE LOVE UU LETS GET UU IN THE WC YEAAAAAHHH

bern · Aug 11, 2025

as someone who already ultra-struggles with the idea of slotting players, i would not be a happy camper if i have to slot other players in 1v1 underused or national dex, just saying.

also i don't like grandfathering in general but idk might be just me.

Nuxl · Aug 11, 2025

Hey would like to throw in the idea for 2 SV7 2 SV5, and this to extend for current gen in the future.

1. I think this PL showed that some teams really struggled to have a good SV7 player who could hold their own. This is because the pool drought there is hard to scavenge due to a lack of practice (even off tours like UMPL only do Bo5) so you often see players being thrown to the wolves trying to Bo7 for the first time. I think more tournaments that include Bo7 as an option will help builders get more long-set practice for other tournaments, and with WCOP I think it’s a good place to start.

2. For WCOP, I think having two slots that focus on 7 teams would increase consistency (due to more games = more chances to outplay) and in general I think it’s better to separate pools into two SV7/two SV5 as well, both for spectator sport and for overall practice/skill (players in SV2 pushing to SV1 might be able to have a better chance vs teams with two “established” SV7ers). I would even argue the gap between SV2 and SV1 is smaller than SV2 farming SV4s (no shade to my pool last year!)

3. in general think WCOP has shown that it’s a good tournament for underdog teams to really make their mark! I don’t even think teams are that harmed by this considering Mexico etc almost qualified last year, skyiew did well in 7 etc. players who do well in these more “prolific” formats might be encouraged to try out PL or other tours

I definitely prefer this 2 SV7/2 SV5 option over 1 SV7/3 SV5. I do like UU over SV4 as well, too as a “can my team cohesively build together in a new tier” type of format, as opposed to most SV4s regurgitating from their other teammates builders’ atm.

Frailty · Aug 11, 2025

No One Cares About Nd OR UU!

ndampl 1v1 has BEEN a meme SLOT!

MAKE 5 SV!

pqs · Aug 11, 2025

I love the idea of adding UU 1v1, but I think it's way too soon. As someone who actually played UU 1v1 when it was in PL (albeit I was 11 years old at the time), I don't have any good memories of my time in that slot, nor do I have any of watching other people. The problem, which occurred then, and I 100% predict will occur in WC if it is added, is that UU is just not played enough outside of teamtours in order for useful resources to be made. People didn't have any sort of VR, sets comp, or sample team dump to understand how the meta functioned, so they ended up just going down the list on the SM VR until they got to the best mon that wasn't banned, and built around that. I predict the problem will be much the same given the fact that we have less than a month until WC starts.

I italicized the word useful in "useful resources" in the last paragraph because any council can come together and make ""resources"" for an Other Tier and tell you that it's developed. You can play all the friendlies you want and speculate about what's good in the builder, but the truth is, metagame development can only truly happen from consistent tournaments (and ladder), and UU just does not have that. Not even to mention the fact that UU changes every three months, so a lot of real metagame development goes go down the drain every time tiering shifts happen. It would be pretty much impossible to maintain a consistently updated sets comp and VR if there's not a UU tour pretty much every month in between teamtours, which I don't expect to happen, especially not one right now.

I don't support DPP either. The simple fact is that we have an entire teamtour dedicated to oldgens now, so we really shouldn't go back further than BW. NatDex is also a meme (ban Tapu Koko wtf!).

That leaves us with three real options: a fourth SV slot, SS Bo7, and Multigen. I'll throw my support behind SS Bo7 because I don't think anyone wants to watch another SV slot or go through the torture of building Multigen again.

FTR I also support having a flex slot (like the two in OGPL); not sure how that would work in a pools setting though.

Marshmelto · Aug 11, 2025

All 0 1v1 uu and nd players are currently partying over the idea of a wc slot. *crickets*

Nick · Aug 11, 2025

id support ss7>mg>sv. 2 ss slots seemed fine in pl and i think itll be the same quality in wc. idt any of the uu, nd type of tiers have enough players

neomon · Aug 12, 2025

the default should be ss7 and if we should be adding ss5 back

considering the backlash in regrads to 1v1 oms, i think just keeping the status quo but with ss7>ss5 should be the way to go

I love the idea of 2 sv 7 slots aswell

Dj Breloominati♬ · Aug 12, 2025

PLEASE consider DPP in a serious light. Euphonos has alone pushed the meta forward a lot even after it got axed. It's sad that DPP is being defaulted to the "oldgen tour" when it was once part of the status quo.

I think it's only fair that it gets a chance again. It's tough for a tier to advance and develop more while not being allowed to be part of the more prestigious settings. Some of my fondest memories of playing this game come from competing in this tier, so though my post is inherently biased, I do feel that the state of the tier rn warrants a consideration for its return back into the setup, atleast for this tour.

Kanha Greninja · Aug 12, 2025

i support 2 SS slots since i think its still just as good as it would be in PL

fake tom numbers · Aug 13, 2025

2 SV Bo7. two sv7 in wc is perfect for training upcoming 1v1 talents while making it more distinct from PL. lots of people in northeast+canada want it

Forgot to mention this in my other post as well, but something has to change for the PL timer during the draft. captains stalling on purpose to not have to pick a player made the draft go on for another 20 mins or so which must have been very annoying for spectators and managers

lost heros said:
I am heavily opposed to the idea of limiting champs to top 8 from top 16. That's a completely unnecessary and very restrictive cut. It's not like there's some major drop in skill for the top 8 to the top 16. Last year's bottom 8 were:

Jamez (16)
DEG (15)
UwU1v1 (14)
mrextrazy (13)
ZackPalace (12)
Frailty (11)
happysh (10)
Mcthelegit (9)

Smaller top cut=more competitive to get in, which in turn makes tours that give out points more competitive. I could also say about some players just coasting by off being good and getting in but that isn't really provable so w/e (idt someone like deg seriously wants to win champs and builds teams every week for that tour, could be wrong tho)

imo its better to have motivated players -> skilled players because interest in individual tours is already quite low, and being a very restrictive cut should be one of the main purposes of a tour that only happens once a year with the way of qualifying to do well in other tours

lost heros · Monday at 11:26 AM

lost heros said:
(Please feel free to continue discussion on the above if you'd like)

THIS POST IS TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT ON WC IX! YOUR INPUT IS HIGHLY ENCOURAGED NO MATTER WHAT IT IS!

Re WC slots:

The last two WCs have had a current gen focus with 1 SV7 slot, 3 SV5 slots and 1 bo5 slot from each of SS to BW. My opinion is that we just run it back, but as always there are other options. SS7/DPP for example can theoretically replace the third SV5 slot. We could also theoretically bring in an OM like ND or UU.

Personally, from a slotting perspective, I like the current gen focus on WC. Because teams are drawn from geographic lines and not from a draft, it's a lot less likely for your team to be handicapped by not having a super specific old gen or OM tier player. It's easier to fill in all of the SV slots than it is to fill in SS7 and SS5.

Re teams and boundaries:

I think the goal is to have 10 teams again, maybe with the same or similar teams as last year, maybe not. The discussion about super teams is always very engaging, and we'll be watching the signups closely to see what happens. I already know France has expressed interest in forming their own region, but if you'd like to make your own region feel free to reach out to me directly.

Re Grandfathering regions:

Current policy is simple for grandfathered regions. People are allowed to grandfather into previously played regions up until the point they stop, then they can’t. Players are automatically in their narrowest region for which they played. (Continental is bigger than Split Continent which is bigger than Country which is bigger than Split Country)

Some examples:

If you only played in USSC last year via Central eligibility, but US South and US Central split, you can grandfather into either US South until you move to your US Central IP, or you can play by your IP in US Central and entirely forfeit your US South Eligibility. However, if you played for US Central previously and then played for USSC, and Team US Central exists, you cannot grandfather into US South if US Central exists.

If you played for team CONE (Canada + Oceania) previously via Canada eligibility, and then followed Canada when it moved to Niagara, you cannot grandfather into any Oceania team and must continue to follow team Niagara or team Canada.

After reading the discussions on here and discord, we've decided to open a short poll regarding WC Slots

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...aODQIZV7xN_9oTKSlhl_fVUzg/viewform?usp=header

lost heros · 2025-08-23T09:18:53-0400

lost heros said:
After reading the discussions on here and discord, we've decided to open a short poll regarding WC Slots

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...aODQIZV7xN_9oTKSlhl_fVUzg/viewform?usp=header

WC Poll ends tomorrow. Tagging all of last year's captains:

DEG Frailty Piyu Mentality Felucia neomon lost heros Urfgurgle RADU Close delemon Mishlef Elian glass shadows Nuxl Synonimous A Hero's Destiny Pla bern Tempo di anguria

pqs · 2025-08-23T15:50:33-0400

pqs said:
NatDex is also a meme (ban Tapu Koko wtf!).

haha

Anyways I think NatDex should be added to WC. Me and a bunch of people got probably 1000 games in this tier in the past 2 weeks alone and have developed it to a point where it's most definitely playable in a team tour. Look at what we have:

A detailed list of every new move on old Pokemon for SS and SV (s/o Adam3560)
Multiple team dumps (1, 2, 3)
A set compendium (WIP, but updated frequently)
Usage Stats for NDAMPL and an off-site tour I hosted (s/o Akeras)
A community VR down to B- made by many players:

Shoutouts to crucify, frogfacts, Marshmelto, Adam3560, gorilaa, Blanched, RADU, Mentality, The Hisui Region, ayedan, and recti for helping with the VR.
S Rank
:charizard-mega-x:

Charizard-Mega-X
:dragonite:

Dragonite

A+ Rank
:charizard-mega-y:

Charizard-Mega-Y
:gyarados-mega:

Gyarados-Mega
:magearna:

Magearna

Meloetta

Ogerpon-Hearthflame
:tapu-koko:

Tapu Koko

Victini

Zygarde-Complete

A Rank
:darmanitan-galar:

Darmanitan-Galar
:goodra-hisui:

Goodra-Hisui
:gardevoir-mega:

Gardevoir-Mega
:iron-crown:

Iron Crown
:iron-hands:

Iron Hands
:mawile-mega:

Mawile-Mega
:porygon-z:

Porygon-Z

Primarina

Slowbro-Mega
:raging-bolt:

Raging Bolt
:spectrier:

Spectrier

Tapu Fini

Tapu Lele

Ting-Lu

Ursaluna

Zeraora

A- Rank
:aegislash:

Aegislash

Altaria-Mega
:chien-pao:

Chien-Pao

Cinderace

Dragapult

Espathra

Gholdengo

Heatran

Landorus-Therian
:lopunny-mega:

Lopunny-Mega
:naganadel:

Naganadel

Necrozma

Ogerpon-Wellspring
:volcarona:

Volcarona

Urshifu-R

Urshifu-S

Regidrago

B+ Rank
:crustle:

Crustle

Diancie-Mega
:dracovish:

Dracovish

Dracozolt

Garchomp

Genesect

Greninja

Iron Moth

Iron Valiant
:magnezone:

Magnezone

Meowscarada
:moltres-galar:

Moltres-Galar
:pecharunt:

Pecharunt

Serperior

Togekiss

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
:walking-wake:

Walking Wake
:zapdos-galar:

Zapdos-Galar
:roaring moon:

Roaring Moon
:zarude:

Zarude

B Rank
:aggron-mega:

Aggron-Mega
:avalugg-hisui:

Avalugg-Hisui
:chansey:

Chansey

Donphan

Ferrothorn
:gallade-mega:

Gallade-Mega
:haxorus:

Haxorus

Incineroar
:kartana:

Kartana

Kommo-o

Kyurem

Manaphy

Quagsire

Registeel

Tyranitar-Mega
:venusaur-mega:

Venusaur-Mega
:volcanion:

Volcanion

Celesteela

B- Rank
:annihilape:

Annihilape
:blaziken-mega:

Blaziken-Mega
:corviknight:

Corviknight
:darkrai:

Darkrai

Hoopa-Unbound
:pheromosa:

Pheromosa

Rhyperior

Rillaboom

Sableye-Mega
:tapu-bulu:

Tapu Bulu

Quagsire

Zapdos

There's also RADU's VR in Other Tiers thread, crucify's VR, and the official current NatDex 1v1 VR (without +/- though).

Anyways, I'm now gonna debunk some common arguments against NatDex being in WC because I think it would be great to finally get some OT representation in official teamtours again.

>>>NatDex isn't developed enough!
See the earlier portion of this post. This is more than enough resources to get anyone started in NatDex. Plus, the fact that it's basically SM on steroids means that a lot of SM players take their knowledge and apply it to this tier (same reason why SM players often play ORAS and vice versa). Also, no tier was developed before it got into a teamtour in 1v1. DPP and BW were much less developed than NatDex is right now when they were first added to PL/WC. Sure, it might be a slightly bumpy road, but we'll eventually get to the point where it reaches the development level of the other tiers.

>>>NatDex 1v1 has no playerbase!
. Gonna tag people who play NatDex and will probably sign up for WC:
fake tom numbers, fancy, Anonymous1634, gorilaa, torterraxx, Frailty!, Adam3560, Tricknology, pqs, RADU, The Hisui Region, recti, Blanched, frogfacts, Mentality, Marshmelto, Akeras, crucify, zo, lost heros, Nuxl, glitched, UwU1v1, Mcthelegit, Shivam_Z, NTG Cuz IDK.
This is a SIZEABLE playerbase. This is just people who played in NDAMPL/my side tour/the NatDex no johns (and won)/council. Even though some of these people may not main the tier or even want to play it in WC, they all definitely have decent knowledge about the tier and can support those who do. So I think it having "no playerbase" won't be an issue.

>>>X should be slotted over NatDex!
1) Another SV slot (either Bo5 or Bo7) should not be added. I'm no 1v1 doomer but if LT is any indication of the state of SV's activity (shoutouts Cycle 2's highest ELO being 1625; one of the lowest in 1v1 history) then I'd even go far as saying that we should have less SV slots. No, adding another SV slot will not somehow make the tier more active; it'll just make the gameplay even worse and oversaturated. Do you really want another slot of this?

2) SS7 is probably the most viable option outside of ND (it's also the one that I initially backed) but I think a second SS7 would be much less hype than NatDex and also would get quite stale over time.
3) DPP has consistently been in tours for the past 5 (6?) years and consistently been the least interesting meta to watch for the majority of the playerbase. I'm not gonna say anymore because I've never really played / interacted with DPP outside of Multigen but I think the majority of the community would rather have NatDex over DPP at this point. No shade to DPP tho.
4) Read previous post for my reasoning about UU

>>>You're just bored and want something new!
I mean yes. Is there really a problem with this? At the end of the day, we play these tours to have fun, and NatDex is the most entertaining thing out there for a sizable amount of the community. Seeing posts like this by SV mainers just blindly attacking people trying to enjoy anything other than what's already established is fucking annoying. If you're anti NatDex and haven't played / watched it yet, I recommend trying to build for it and watching some of these replays:

It's a fun tier, and it deserves to have a slot. I hope some of the higher ups read this before coming to a decision. Tagging the tournament staff (though I think I've definitely reached my maximum # of pings already) Felucia lost heros Sificon Arai. Please genuinely consider before turning down this for another tier.

luser · 2025-08-23T16:05:45-0400

I don't get your point about not adding another SV tier. I expect ND to have more misplays than SV4, simply because while I think it is explored enough to be represented in WC, it is definitively, objectively, less explored than SV. If your goal is to maximize the competitiveness and lower the number of gifable moments (not saying this is what you should be doing when picking slots), then ND doesn't make much sense.

Maybe there should be better incentives to playing in indiv tournaments (this was expressed in the recent Kala Chasmah post, which I don't think you referenced in good faith), but I don't think the solution to SV's activity problems is to put another tier into WC. Overall, I don't think there's anything terribly wrong with ND, but I'm not really sold by the argument that putting in a SV4 is somehow actively bad for the tier.

DEG · 2025-08-23T16:28:13-0400

pqs said:
>>>NatDex isn't developed enough!
See the earlier portion of this post. This is more than enough resources to get anyone started in NatDex. Plus, the fact that it's basically SM on steroids means that a lot of SM players take their knowledge and apply it to this tier (same reason why SM players often play ORAS and vice versa). Also, no tier was developed before it got into a teamtour in 1v1. DPP and BW were much less developed than NatDex is right now when they were first added to PL/WC. Sure, it might be a slightly bumpy road, but we'll eventually get to the point where it reaches the development level of the other tiers.

- closed door games dont dvlp meta + actually no incentive to push mons to limit
- SM players arent that populous so theres no reason to think theres gonna be sm players signing up for natdex+youd weaken the sm pool and potentially oras
- bw and dpp were added when all 1v1 gens and metas were fake the only cg we had was oras and that too was pseudo fake since it wasnt community starting point. Since then both were immensly developed spec cz they were in both tt and indivs (classic)

pqs said:
This is a SIZEABLE playerbase. This is just people who played in NDAMPL/my side tour/the NatDex no johns (and won)/council. Even though some of these people may not main the tier or even want to play it in WC, they all definitely have decent knowledge about the tier and can support those who do. So I think it having "no playerbase" won't be an issue.

Names are cool but youd need them to want to act move to natdex. Nbdy saying no playerbase but theres pool balance to keep in mind.

pqs said:
>>>X should be slotted over NatDex!

SV still makes the most sense sincs its cg and focus should be on cg. And lt being low is an additional reason to actually spotlight cg. + yea natdex is new interractions in all games so theres gonna be worse when u make it more accessible and not only behind closed doors.

pqs said:
You're just bored and want something new!

In the end its a "competitive" tour. You can enjoy your formats in private or other tours until theyre ready competitively.

pqs said:
Anyways I think NatDex should be added to WC.

no.

RADU · 2025-08-23T17:11:49-0400

I don't like pqs ad hominem to SV in his post, honestly I just urge people reading the post to ignore those parts, they're not necessary to display what should be said about natdex, just an attempt to overjustify its presence in the tour which is not really required.

that said, a lot of that post is true and NatDex has had the largest burst of development I've ever seen in a 1v1 tier, excluding when a new generation drops. act let me just copypaste what I said on cord

so yeah basically I don't believe NatDex specifically has "more merit" than any of the other tiers listed, because no tier with 0 teamtour representation will ever have more merit than tiers that have already been established for years, but that doesn't mean we should lock ourselves to only what we know. teamtours are a reflection of the tiers the community wants to play, and natdex is one of those tiers, whether you are a part of the people that wants to play it or not, I don't think you have the right to comment on the amount of people actively interested, playing and building the tier outside of any tournament and hosting multiple unofficial tours for it all in a row; that's more than you can say for any gen (I ain't never seen people play bw friendlies outside of teamtours)

DEG said:
- closed door games dont dvlp meta + actually no incentive to push mons to limit

these aren't behind closed doors. There's a discord server with channels where multiple people are actively sharing all teams sets replays they play and discussing the metagames. The reason it's in a closed discord is because the official servers are not a suitable space for the type of development we are trying to foster (too much bureaucracy and limitedness in the middle). I'm sorry to say but the blanket statement that we don't develop meta in these situations is just blatantly the opposite.

DEG said:
- SM players arent that populous so theres no reason to think theres gonna be sm players signing up for natdex+youd weaken the sm pool and potentially oras
- bw and dpp were added when all 1v1 gens and metas were fake the only cg we had was oras and that too was pseudo fake since it wasnt community starting point. Since then both were immensly developed spec cz they were in both tt and indivs (classic)

it's not to say that sm players will jump shit but people who have played sm before will have an easier time understanding this meta and either playing it or supporting it. It's just a neat plus, we're not struggling for players
whether bw and dpp were "fake" or not when they were added, if they hadn't been included in those tournaments to begin with they would never have seen that level of development. adv and gsc were not even close to natdex level of interest before they were included in tours, because that's how you develop metagames, by making tournaments for it. People are making unofficials left and right but you can only get so far with those, ppl want stakes.

DEG said:
Names are cool but youd need them to want to act move to natdex. Nbdy saying no playerbase but theres pool balance to keep in mind.

pool balance is important, but it's one slot and there's plenty of interest both from mainers and people who are yet to play in tours and could use this as their breakout tier. The starting point is kinda similar for both experienced and inexperienced player and you could have a lot of new blood start with support from some of the mainstays

DEG said:
SV still makes the most sense sincs its cg and focus should be on cg. And lt being low is an additional reason to actually spotlight cg. + yea natdex is new interractions in all games so theres gonna be worse when u make it more accessible and not only behind closed doors.

focus is already on cg, and pl has 3 sv slots, wc isnt supposed to have more, it was just a better option than having 2 ss. I think natdex is a better option than having 2 ss, and can contend with the 4th sv slot depending on perspective. In my experience having 4 sv slots hasn't been much better for the tier's health, as people are stretched thin building for those slots and often give up on team quality and new sets over just having enough teams for everyone to go around; so realistically a 4th slot for sv could go either way.

DEG said:
In the end its a "competitive" tour. You can enjoy your formats in private or other tours until theyre ready competitively.

Which is why we are making an effort to make them ready competitively. We've been exploring all the mons so far and suggesting vr changes and making sets. We could have a set compendium up before wc starts, an updated VR and an extensive repertoire of sample teams, resources that could be on par with other old gens (quantity/quality-wise, not development wise, obviously it will be sets from the start of a metagame and those are open to being developed further, which is good).

whether you like natdex as a whole or not there's no denying its recent progress, its promise as a new 1v1 tier (natdex tiers are popular as fuck throughout the entirety of smogon), and its relevant player interest.

as I said above there's more at stake than just the tournament, but the opportunity cost of potentially gatekeeping the tier from having meaningful representation until a very long time from now, potentially killing its momentum in the process. WC is the perfect opportunity for the tier to be properly tested.

bern · 2025-08-23T17:13:31-0400

ok time to make a semi-serious post so i can get myself to hopefully understand some stuff.

NatDex is fine! OTs are (in general) not very greatly seen upon but I do think it should have been an option on the poll, as there were numerous supporters for the idea. My personal stance, ehh??? I'm personally fine with OTs and I love them in general, I just don't want to deal with the fact that I'm from Latin America and i need to get, well, not a mainer but someone who's willing to learn a tier with not the greatest resources in the world, but then again, this was also the case for PL VII's SV, and everyone went along with it.

SV4/2 SV7 is whatever. More CG support is welcome and I do think it's a good idea to have it, however if it's not what people want there's no reason to push for it, it'd be the same case for NatDex except there are people pushing for the idea.

SS7 + SS5 is also, fine! SS looks pretty... okay, I do think the tier needs some improvements (drago), but the point that people want to get across is that, tier development I do believe is happening with what analyses and more players getting on to talk about SS in general in #1v1-old-gens, it's pretty good and I think two SS slots would reflect the fact that this tier is one of the most talked about!

I genuinely believe DPP is a good meta! With Euphonos releasing his entire builder pretty much players have been experimenting more than ever and I think it's marvelous, Euphonos Legacy League was a really good tour for DPP 1v1 and it got the meta pushed and talked about more! I think it more than never deserves to be talked about right now! But that's just my opinion, people can form their own and obviously people can agree to disagree.

Multigen is not it my guy. Unless we get potatochan or frailty or idk zio??? defending with iron walls the idea of multigen idt it's gonna happen and it's overall not the greatest idea either for reasons people have talked about before, A.K.A it's not fun to build.

UU is also okay. I actually really like UU I placed top 4 in that kickoff tour I would've gone to finals if I wasn't dumb but ggs frailty you deserved it, idk how much different it would feel to watch compared to regular SV though... that's why I'm sort of preferring NatDex over it, no hate to UU whatsoever ofc, it's a great tier, I just think that NatDex might be more fun to watch due dissimilarities with other generations (if that makes sense)

TL;DR: DPP > NatDex > 2SS > UU > 4SV > MG.

I hope my post was good somewhat and I hope it reflected my opinion in what can occur in WC9, I would like to clarify that this is (mostly) my opinion as a 1v1 player, not as the likely Latin America manager.

ty for reading.

recti · 2025-08-23T17:18:13-0400

Hey I would like to voice my opinion out in the slotting

DOUBLE SS>ND 1V1>SV4>DPP

ss7 is the clear favorite for me, I might be biased but all the counterpoint against it are false i do believe the tier is still evolving and all the claims that "every good ss team has already been made" are false, most people who say this have not played the tier at a deeper level other than support roles.

Nd 1v1 is good option for all the reasons pqs said, i completely agree with him, refining the resources already made would be a great move since there are alot of ppl saing its a "last minute scramble" to get resources up to be in wc. Like deg said every interaction in the tour would be a fresh one, and some people will have to learn the tier freshly, I think we should not view this as a negative aspect but rather see it as more exciting, this will reward effort put into prep more whic is a good thing for tier development and viewer experience, bc of this ND 1v1 slot would most likely be more exciting to view and play than a slot like sv4 where alot of teams just reuse squads between slots. There is a existing playerbase, who even though some of the would might rather slot elsewhere, the have enough meta knowledge to guide the player slotted into the pool to play well in the tier.

Sv4 is fine, I dont want to add anything on it i just think sv4 wouldn't be very exciting to see in pools, we saw in prev wcs how most teams sv4 was just reusing teams from sv7 and the other sv slots.

pqs · 2025-08-23T17:55:52-0400

I'll admit that my last post didn't have very solid arguments. I had been planning to post about NatDex's inclusion for a while now but never got around to it, and when I saw lost heros's post that the survey was gonna close tomorrow, I tried to write all of my thoughts in the span of an hour, which ended up as a big jumbled mess of various unrelated points for why NatDex should be added. I feel especially bad about the GIF part, but I'm not gonna remove it so people later on don't read back on this string of posts and get confused. While I did include the vast amount of resources we have in my post, I think RADU did a much better job at arguing for it than me. Check out his post if you're on the fence.

But I'm still gonna respond to some criticism which I think was unfair to my post.

DEG said:
- closed door games dont dvlp meta + actually no incentive to push mons to limit

So I actually advertised the tournament in the Discord and room...

The only reason that this tour wasn't on Smogon was because I was told to wait until after WC by lost heros.

And me (and others) have tried to make the development as public as possible, which is why the Other Tiers thread has seen such a burst in activity, and why I dumped a bunch of replays and resources into this thread and the Other Tiers thread. I don't know what more you want me to do.

No incentive to push mons to the limit point is valid, but, shouldn't that point to adding it to WC? New ideas just don't get thrown around like that in individuals because people have much more incentive to repeat teams / not share ideas, while in team tours you're very much inclined to make new teams every week and discuss new sets with your teammates.

I'm gonna modify my argument. I don't think SV is bad by any means, and I think my post did a poor job at explaining that. However, I think there is a LOT more interest in NatDex right now, and we should capitalize on that. Whether there's 2 or 3 or 4 SV slots, I don't really care, that's not my domain; but I think NatDex should be given a fair shot at least once because this is a great opportunity to get a new meta in because it's seeing unprecedented levels of activity.

Nuxl · 2025-08-23T21:21:55-0400

My previous post boosting SV7 has the most likes, so arguments in this thread backing that 4 SV is lame or has no support fall flat to me lol.

I think no matter what you should really have 4 CG in WCOP. This isn't PL2 so why are we making it PL2? And on average, SV3 looked better than SS5 anyway. So you can even have 5 SV if you want (nobody but the most steeled of SV mainers would probably want this)

In general, let's make Bo7 more standard across our tiers IMO. I'm cool with this as a format:

SV7
SV7
SV5
SV5
SS7
SM5 (SM7 if this community supports it!)
ORAS5 (ORAS7 if this community supports it!)

Then the last slot between BW5 (BW7 if this community supports it!)/Natdex seems good to me.

zo · 2025-08-24T00:10:55-0400

Hi smogon logged me out on phone lol idk why. Not home atm but basically

Ndex > ss5 = sv4 = uu > everything else lol

If mg was given a shot as a tt slot ndex deserves one too (ndex arguably more deserving with, as pqs mentioned, numerous resources (not even fully finished yet, but a great job has been done by him and interested players))

I dont not like ss as a slot but tbh the eli point that this isnt pl2 sticks with me. Why even poll on slotting if youre gonna renege and choose the most basic slotting anyway? Wc is a less serious tournament than pl no matter what deg tries to say so im open to more formats being put in. Honestly throw uu in too over a cg slot and ndex over bw or something and we have a pretty cool tournament.

In all seriousness, no bias whatsoever, I think giving a tier with active development and an interested playerbase behind it (contrary to other gens, such as bw (seriously)) a wc slot is a step in the right direction. tenzhii out

fake tom numbers · 2025-08-24T00:45:07-0400

pqs pinged us like 5 times today so i’ll post again:

add 2 sv7
replace bw with natdex
won ggz

recti · 2025-08-24T01:03:54-0400

Nuxl said:
My previous post boosting SV7 has the most likes, so arguments in this thread backing that 4 SV is lame or has no support fall flat to me lol.

We really using likes as an indication of support now? Liking your post does not necessarily mean agreement, some people (me included) also like out of courtesy to respect that a person has taken time and effort out of their day to share their opinion, we should not be measuring likes as support.

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