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We know GameFreaks doesn't do "bans"
not really what I was referring to by "not allowed"

much like no guard ohko machamp they'll probably make some random one off mechanics change to prevent it from working. I don't think terastal shedinja would actually be broken but it's hilariously sharp. I hope they allow it purely because it'll be funny to see people torment random people with it.
 
not really what I was referring to by "not allowed"

much like no guard ohko machamp they'll probably make some random one off mechanics change to prevent it from working. I don't think terastal shedinja would actually be broken but it's hilariously sharp. I hope they allow it purely because it'll be funny to see people torment random people with it.
They could just have Wonder Guard not take Terastallization into account if they were really concerned about Tera Electric Air Balloon Shedinja.
 
not really what I was referring to by "not allowed"

much like no guard ohko machamp they'll probably make some random one off mechanics change to prevent it from working. I don't think terastal shedinja would actually be broken but it's hilariously sharp. I hope they allow it purely because it'll be funny to see people torment random people with it.
The main difference between those 2 is that one has never been possible in a official format simply because it wouldn't let you (as in order to queue for a VGC format match, the pokemon had to be bred in that generation / have its moveset reset in gen 8 and forward), and the other simply hasn't been because Shedinja isn't in a game with Terastal in it. And the only way to obtain a No Guard Machamp with Fissure with the current gen mark is to hack it.

So NoGuard Fissue Machamp is a complete nonfactor that literally can't happen in Champions, whereas Terastal Shedinja would be perfectly legal to use and something for the players to figure how to get around.
They could just have Wonder Guard not take Terastallization into account if they were really concerned about Tera Electric Air Balloon Shedinja.
Considering they've been unconcerned by much worse things (including Urshifu breaking the entire Doubles system by just existing as well as matches being often decided on RNG whim), I think people give too much flak to a niche strategy that requires heavy commitment to just fold to relatively commonly run things.

(Also, in worst case, remember Tera Stellar exists and already has a few niche uses, and Tera Stellar Tera Blast does 1shot a terastalized Shedinja as well)
 
(including Urshifu breaking the entire Doubles system by just existing as well as matches being often decided on RNG whim)
I don't think intentional design choices are comparable to a random one off ability from several generations ago interacting with a mechanic likely never designed with it in mind. Like I already said, I don't think it'll be broken but something being strong or not isn't the only reason to change something mechanically. I think wonder guard shedinja is probably more on par with the trolling strategies they've removed directly or indirectly in the past than it would be something that's actually meta defining or powerful.

It's very sharp in a very funny way for the person using it and if they allow it there will be a lot of really funny clips of people getting trolled by it. It would also be equally as funny to me if shedinja is just never in champions. afaik there isn't a guarantee that every pokemon will appear there only an assumption from fans, unless there's some more recent blurb from them I missed.
 
Machamp with Fissure + No Guard has never been legal / allowed in first place in VGC/BSS, so I'm not sure why people keep strawmanning it.

While yes, it's TECNICALLY possible to get this combination if Machamp eventually make it in a game with ability capsules, it's STILL not legal in VGC and never has been due to Fissure being a transfer move. It's possible to obtain No Guard OHKO via Skill Swap shenenigans, Wolfey even won a tournament with it for memes, and guess what, nothing was changed.

You guys played too much Smogon and keep forgetting Smogon is a fan based game that doesn't reflect the actual game.

listen man i agree with you but i feel like at some point youre just trying to find situations to go "silly smogon user, dont you know how vgc works?"
 
listen man i agree with you but i feel like at some point youre just trying to find situations to go "silly smogon user, dont you know how vgc works?"
I won't deny I do find fun to do that any time it's possible.
It's extremely common for smogon players to not know that the game isn't balanced around them and have no idea about things that have existed in the "real games" for years (case in point, the move legality, es Mega Kangaskhan not having had access to PUP since gen 7 games already).
 
I won't deny I do find fun to do that any time it's possible.
It's extremely common for smogon players to not know that the game isn't balanced around them and have no idea about things that have existed in the "real games" for years (case in point, the move legality, es Mega Kangaskhan not having had access to PUP since gen 7 games already).

yeah but a lot of the times youre doing it to people who already heard you say the same thing 20 times before, and if anything the machamp discussion is the worst time to do it because "will they make fissure machamp legal" is just as a valid of a thought process for champions because its not legal but it can always be, just like other move changes. what happens next is a more interesting discussion.

it also makes otherwise agreeable posts of yours straight up insufferable im sorry. you could at least phrase in a way where its less obvious youre doing it for the Thrill Of Owning A Stupid Smogon User
 
it also makes otherwise agreeable posts of yours straight up insufferable im sorry. you could at least phrase in a way where its less obvious youre doing it for the Thrill Of Owning A Stupid Smogon User
for the record as the person they were "correcting", I didn't care or mind it, some people just talk like that
 
it also makes otherwise agreeable posts of yours straight up insufferable im sorry. you could at least phrase in a way where its less obvious youre doing it for the Thrill Of Owning A Stupid Smogon User
Let me be honest with you, I am well aware AND do it on purpose. (In fact, this got already mentioned to me in the past and I responded in exactly same way)

Most of the people here are insufferable to me, expecially those who think that smogon is "The right way to play pokemon TM" and are not afraid to throw insults at GameFreaks, Nintendo or honestly anything that remotely doesn't do what they want, so I don't mind reciprocating the feeling :wo:

for the record as the person they were "correcting", I didn't care or mind it, some people just talk like that
Glad to see that at least one person here is reasonable :blobnom:
yeah but a lot of the times youre doing it to people who already heard you say the same thing 20 times before, and if anything the machamp discussion is the worst time to do it because "will they make fissure machamp legal" is just as a valid of a thought process for champions because its not legal but it can always be, just like other move changes. what happens next is a more interesting discussion.
And also no.

It's not legal in official formats, it never was, and it never will be. And unofficial formats were *never* a concern for TPCI.
They forced the "current gen clause" for a number of reasons, preventing dumb old-gen and event moves become p2w combinations being one of them. (not specifically Fissure Machamp, but that is one caught in such crossfire).
 
it probably isn't going to be mega machamp tomorrow but I honestly wish its gmax design was a mega

I'm also curious about what about a mega hawlucha would make it worth using, as isn't the whole niche of hawlucha unburden shenanigans? granted fighting and flying is a pretty good offensive type combo so maybe if they just pump its stats up enough it'll be fine, lmao.

Most of the people here are insufferable to me, expecially those who think that smogon is "The right way to play pokemon TM"
granted this is the identical mentality a lot of VGC players have, feels rather pointless for either side to be boxing with ghosts so frequently over their particular format and whether or not some random person is disrespecting it or not mentioning it at all times.
 
isn't the whole niche of hawlucha unburden shenanigans?
Nah, it's *one* of the niches, but Mold Breaker is also a very real ability (surprisingly, even in VGC where you get to ignore things like Ogerpon's Sturdy for example). It helps that Hawlucha has 2 100% accurate spammable 120 BP stabs too.
In general Hawlucha's meant to be this agile fighter and the fantasy doesn't specifically need to be over Unburden. A ipotetical Mega could for example give it a massive speed boost (or literally give it Speed boost lol) or something comparable to Huge Power to make up for its somewhat limiting attack stat.
Or could pull a Diancie, make the mega swap around its role, lose the speed in favor of bulk/power. Or even a Mega Pidgeot, become a special attacker instead.

There is also the ... unexplored? territory of its signature move which is... honestly crap but CONCEPTUALLY is very cool, the whole dual typing of the move. I would struggle to see HOW they'd make that work in a mega outside of raw buffing the move but it is something they can work on. Maybe change its typing in the mega with something else and the signature move matches the new double typing.
 
There is also the ... unexplored? territory of its signature move which is... honestly crap but CONCEPTUALLY is very cool
honestly the best part of modern pokemon is how many random signature moves they add. I hope all the megas or most of them randomly get a new one. flying press in particular is both cool and incredibly confusing how the type chart for it actually works.
 
it probably isn't going to be mega machamp tomorrow but I honestly wish its gmax design was a mega

This is just me going off on one so feel free to disregard this as some guy rambling, but in general I’m highly skeptical of the idea that Gigantamax designs would work as Megas, because so many of them are carried by the fact that they’re ostentatiously BIG. A few of them could maybe work, but I actually don’t think G-Max Machamp is one of them, because it doesn’t really change much of significance about Machamp’s design; it mainly just gives it glowing fists (and, uh… pants, I guess). Even compared to some of the less radical Megas, I feel like that would seem jarringly undercooked. Whereas being a towering giant changes the focus to be more about its imposing size.

I'm also curious about what about a mega hawlucha would make it worth using, as isn't the whole niche of hawlucha unburden shenanigans? granted fighting and flying is a pretty good offensive type combo so maybe if they just pump its stats up enough it'll be fine, lmao.

In theory, they could also give it an entirely new toolkit to make the Mega Evolution work in a completely different way, sort like they did with Blastoise (Mega Launcher pulse moves) and Heracross (Skill Link multi-hit moves). It’d be trickier to do that in a game without Abilities, though.
 
I’m highly skeptical of the idea that Gigantamax designs would work as Megas, because so many of them are carried by the fact that they’re ostentatiously BIG
that's fair, granted there's quite a few megas that are comparable so I think it would fit. I don't really think any of the other gmaxes would, I just really like the machamp one. maybe kingler's would also work, granted it being a huge crab is a lot of the appeal.

It’d be trickier to do that in a game without Abilities, though.
I mean I have no idea how itll work in legends ZA but Im presuming every single mega will still be functional in some form in champions. several of them will probably have new abilities that only exist outside of legends ZA.
 
Limber Hawlucha's finally going to have a purpose! :bellipog:

Similar to pre-Mega Lopunny, it'll give Hawlucha paralysis-immunity before Mega Evolving. Unburden literally does nothing as Hawlucha will be holding its mega stone. Mold Breaker can let it Defog vs Gholdengo or use Taunt vs a Magic Bounce / Aroma Veil Pokemon, but I can see Limber's utility being more popular.
 
I mean I have no idea how itll work in legends ZA but Im presuming every single mega will still be functional in some form in champions. several of them will probably have new abilities that only exist outside of legends ZA.
If they make the small kangaskhan cub come out of the pouch and punch people to simulate the ability i'm buying the game twice just to praise the idea
 
Most of the people here are insufferable to me, expecially those who think that smogon is "The right way to play pokemon TM" and are not afraid to throw insults at GameFreaks, Nintendo or honestly anything that remotely doesn't do what they want, so I don't mind reciprocating the feeling :wo:

id ask why youre even here then, if most people here are so insufferable to you. i find some people here annoying and i dont think theres a place where youll never be annoyed, nor do i think thats a healthy thing to look for, but one must ask how much you enjoy smogons forum atmosphere when 80% i see you commenting youre more so doing to lecture some random smogon idiot instead of contributing to the convo. unless you find lecturing fun, in which case i guess i cant really judge. still wish youd do it less though — does not contribute nor inform people nearly as much as you think it does
 
There is also the ... unexplored? territory of its signature move which is... honestly crap but CONCEPTUALLY is very cool, the whole dual typing of the move. I would struggle to see HOW they'd make that work in a mega outside of raw buffing the move but it is something they can work on. Maybe change its typing in the mega with something else and the signature move matches the new double typing.
The most immediate revamp I can think of is to borrow one from certain RPGs (my immediate reference is Final Fantasy Record Keeper): Instead of mixing the elements (or types in this game's case), Multi-Element attacks will evaluate the enemy's resist profile and choose the better of the options (Weakness > Neutral > Resist > Immune) and then calculates a "Mono" element hit on the chosen one.

For Hawlucha this has the utility of trading a bit of power for an extra moveslot (which is a notable tradeoff since its power tends to be on the "just enough" line with 120 BP moves) and easing prediction (no need to guess on CC for a Steel Switch vs Brave Bird for a Fairy or Ghost one, for example), allowing it to play "Mono attacking" builds more easily to take more advantage of its utility moves (Encore, Roost, Taunt, Substitute) without dropping something vital like SD or Protect in Doubles.
 
this isn't the win you think it is
It is for me, I think you do not understand how the internet works :wo:

Now please drop this subject instead of giving me attention. Didn't you learn anything :tymp: when someone is an ass on the internet, they do it to piss off people and have fun at their reactions. The more you act annoyed at what I say, the more I enjoy it. Do I really have to teach you internet 101? The first thing you do when someone is annoying is ignore / mute them, not tell them back.

The most immediate revamp I can think of is to borrow one from certain RPGs (my immediate reference is Final Fantasy Record Keeper): Instead of mixing the elements (or types in this game's case), Multi-Element attacks will evaluate the enemy's resist profile and choose the better of the options (Weakness > Neutral > Resist > Immune) and then calculates a "Mono" element hit on the chosen one.
Good thing they already actually have the code for something very similar in this case.
Honestly would be a cool idea and make the move go from basically worthless to a solid "1 slot catch em all" letting you have more freedom in the moveset. Props for the idea.

Mega Hawlucha gonna get Gale Wings I'm calling it, or Defiant to fit its luchador nature
Gale Wings would honestly be... kinda awful? You have to take Brave Bird recoil which instantly invalidates it, and while yes Hawlucha does get Roost, doesn't look like the ideal user for it.
Defiant however would be a pretty neat ability, both in-theme and as actually usefulness (the more anti-intimidate tools, the better)
 
It is for me, I think you do not understand how the internet works :wo:

Now please drop this subject instead of giving me attention. Didn't you learn anything :tymp: when someone is an ass on the internet, they do it to piss off people and have fun at their reactions. The more you act annoyed at what I say, the more I enjoy it. Do I really have to teach you internet 101? The first thing you do when someone is annoying is ignore / mute them, not tell them back.
this is some 2nd grade I know you are but what am I arguement which is nuts coming from a ??? 38 year old.

Anyways I like Pokemon especially mega Victrebell
 
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