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Popcorn Mafia 4 - Game Over, Village Wins

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phoopes said:
Okay hmm I just realized EVERY post on the last two pages was made by Celever and Evie. I know I said about sticking to my guns but like this is a re-eval post now lol. There’s NO way that if both of them are scum like I was originally reading that they go that hard at each other. It just can’t be scum v scum at this point.

Tommy/Celever are the scum team. I’m so sorrry Tommy I was with you all game but with how you flipped on Celever that makes me think that that previous interaction between the two of you was just a setup so you could “doubt yourself” about Celever’s alignment and come to the conclusion that he’s town and me and Evie are the remaining scum. That’s what it has to be. Because there’s no way Celever and Evie are going at each other’s throats for two whole pages for the sake of pushing the shot onto me when they could very easily just sit back on it.

Fuck I HATE going against my whole game read on Tommy but I don’t think this is tinfoil, I think this is me finally realizing that I’ve been had. Unless anything else crazy happens my solve is Tommy/Celever
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Oh nvm lol

Honestly Evie might still be the shot though
 
thinking back on it I'm p sure phoopes is scum bc of his whole "Celever trying not to die feels like scum desperation!"

in LYLO that's usually said by scum bc town are kinda supposed to not die more than earlier in the game, bc we lose if we die

and I'm not saying you have to crash out necessarily (though it's common), but being so far detached from that mentality that you're using it as LHF justification for a scumread feels like it betrays scum pov lol
 
Tommy said:
phoopes you are aware me and celever did the exact same thing except longer last phase as celever and Evie today, why do you think they can’t be together then but myself and celever can be?
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I already said why

The rationale is that after that long exchange between you and Celever something actually changed (you backing off Celever). To me this reads as scum setting up you clearing him when he was under major suspicion.

Whereas today between Celever and Evie there was literally no point or ground being given when it seems like I am the shot
 
Celever said:
thinking back on it I'm p sure phoopes is scum bc of his whole "Celever trying not to die feels like scum desperation!"

in LYLO that's usually said by scum bc town are kinda supposed to not die more than earlier in the game, bc we lose if we die

and I'm not saying you have to crash out necessarily (though it's common), but being so far detached from that mentality that you're using it as LHF justification for a scumread feels like it betrays scum pov lol
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do you think its malicious or just misinformed; you’re right that trying not to die is not scummy at all but do you think phoopes is actually scummier for that or are they just wrong
 
Evie said:
do you think its malicious or just misinformed; you’re right that trying not to die is not scummy at all but do you think phoopes is actually scummier for that or are they just wrong
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you're right it's not necessarily scum but in this gamestate it definitely implies scum far more than people saying this on like, Day 2

because phoopes should also be feeling the same thing to at least some extent. he's claimed to be pretty checked out a while ago but it's kinda a core human experience to feel bad when you let down your team, and therefore try to prevent letting them down
 
Celever said:
but my solve basically came down to "if one of Evie and phoopes it town the scum would give the gun to the other one". Reason being those two engaged with the game less than Tommy or Texas yesterday, Tommy saw the light on me and Texas said "if DBD's scum I'm willing to entertain a phoopes/Evie world" or something like that, while Evie and phoopes were pretty gd steadfast. So if there was a town within that duo, idk why any scumteam wouldn't give it to that town.
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I disagree with this tbh, I think that that there was never 2 mafia in the me you Texas trip so if you give gun to one you basically guilty check the other and have them shot asap while giving town a clear on a slot that has the highest chance of being misshot in the game, it’s game losingly bad for mafia to ever give the gun to either of them
 
Celever said:
I have to assume evie being like "Celever was wrong because he didn't just hard townread Texas yesterday" is coming from a scum pov where she obv knew Texas is town bc she's scum and hasn't fully adjusted worldview when trying to act as town

both phoopes and Evie coming in with identical readslists and then "solving" me not having identical reads to them as scummy just feels like scumchat leaking into the thread from both of them lol

you two know who the town and scum are ofc you townread Texas and were right !
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This does kinda make sense in an Evie scum world, I don’t really think it makes much sense to call Texas obvious town never reconsider without also doing the same for me - and I think in this situation really you should be doing it for neither personally but also the inconsistency is the oddest bit for me but I am biased
 
Yeah I’m actually caught up to the phoopes wall post I just don’t think the guy made the longest ass solve post he’s had all game (that read towny to me) then said actually nvm as mafia it just feels like natural actual thoughts maybe I’m dumb but he feels like the town now to me
 
Tommy said:
This does kinda make sense in an Evie scum world, I don’t really think it makes much sense to call Texas obvious town never reconsider without also doing the same for me - and I think in this situation really you should be doing it for neither personally but also the inconsistency is the oddest bit for me but I am biased
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okay im mad again how have TWO people now said i hard townread texas when i can find myself saying “texas is probtown but could be scum” in literally 10 seconds

why have you made up a scenario in your head where im adamant about texas

whats even the point of posting reads when youre gonna lie to my face about them
 
phoopes said:
I already said why

The rationale is that after that long exchange between you and Celever something actually changed (you backing off Celever). To me this reads as scum setting up you clearing him when he was under major suspicion.

Whereas today between Celever and Evie there was literally no point or ground being given when it seems like I am the shot
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Btw to clarify and Texas can fact check me

It’s the most average intermediate level scum partners at lylo strat to just get in a fight like that, if you think there isn’t a point and they are just yelling at each point then look even further below the surface and think “what if there’s a point” and the point is they are distancing - rn I’m town and they have a great chance of one being shot today, if that happens then they MUST have the survivor live past you and me

The only way to do that is to have them look unpartnered, it’s called antispew when mafia goes like this to look better off their partners flips and I would say if you do it at lylo it’s usually considered kind of a write off because it’s so common for partners to go into antispew like this at lylo to get one person to look better to the end, so yeah the spam at each other does kind of nothing for me personally I could see it as town but definitely if they were partners it makes a lot of sense to just go for each other for one last chance of town credit knowing whichever survives today would need to be the last player standing to win if the other is shot

In a Evie/celever partner world they are rn saying “oh look you are mafia” to get credit if the other is shot, while still advocating for you to be the actual person to be shot today

So they are the best of both worlds, if you’re town they want you to be shot so they win today, if one of them is shot they will just say “oh look we were fighting so I look towny”
 
its actually insane that both you and celever have completely made up things ive said and then been like “oh wow this makes sense shes been inconsistent” like huh??
 
Evie said:
any reasoning or just vibes?
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See recent posting, I think you actually haven’t really been that towny in recent days beyond tone and your reads haven’t been accurate either

Ultimately you have survived off good posting and towny tone to now but the same can be said for everyone, so now I’m looking at the exact gameplay and emotion behind posting and you seem to fall behind, if I had the gun I’d personally shoot you now

Celever second choice and phoopes third probably
 
Btw a fairy I apologize about the unpleasantness from the other day, I was genuinely upset that I was still getting no credibility after skipper, so it was part frustration at being completely brushed off and part a decision that I needed to theater a bit to make my alignment clear cause we really couldn't afford tin foil on me at that point. I know it can't have been pleasant to feel that emotion coming your way, please forgive me.
 
Tommy said:
See recent posting, I think you actually haven’t really been that towny in recent days beyond tone and your reads haven’t been accurate either

Ultimately you have survived off good posting and towny tone to now but the same can be said for everyone, so now I’m looking at the exact gameplay and emotion behind posting and you seem to fall behind, if I had the gun I’d personally shoot you now

Celever second choice and phoopes third probably
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im scum because i havent been towny outside of tone but phoopes is town because his wallpost “reads town” and it “feels natural”. okay man
 
Evie said:
okay im mad again how have TWO people now said i hard townread texas when i can find myself saying “texas is probtown but could be scum” in literally 10 seconds

why have you made up a scenario in your head where im adamant about texas

whats even the point of posting reads when youre gonna lie to my face about them
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Apologies, I just am reading what celever wrote at face value I don’t remember everything in the game if that’s inaccurate my bad

It’s not really why I’d shoot you anyways personally but still annoying for people to misrep of course

I am kinda just thinking you and celever are just scum theatreing now at this point though
 
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