Tournament SCL V UU Discussion

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Welcome to the Smogon Champions League 5 Discussion Thread -- UU edition! This thread will be used to discuss UU in SCL V related topics, whether it’s about the players, general metagame trends, matches, predictions, etc.

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Player Cores
(Predicted starters will be in bold, managers will be in italics)

Dynamos - JustFranco, haxlolo
Machines - Sacri, Frankjosh
Terrors - pdt
Islanders - zS, Colin
Breakers - crying, AJ, 691
Studio gible - Mimilucha, accel, Shiba
Shoguns - fogbound lake, mind gaming
Foxes - Punny, umbry, avarice
Spartans - etern, vivalospride, Separation
Platoon - Eternal Spirit, Sabella, robjr​

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Here's to a fun SCL!
 
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another year another time for first post to be me

1. Punny - was on fraudulent timing until the insane spinback in finals of world cup. historically one of the best sv uuers + has his best friends to support and provide insight and prep as well. probably the slot I'm most confident in to pull off 6 wins min

2. JustFranco - very skilled up and comer that essentially replaced bea 1-1 (no one can really replace the goat / the farmer though), but I'm overall really impressed with franco when he's locked in. he's had some silly losses randomly like in bw cup, but with the right team environment he has potential to off on a crazy season. motivation clearly there as well bc he denied retain to be on this team, so he and excal will likely cook very well. also got his argentian support in HAXED, LOLO

3. pdt - the usual pool farmer. I think this pool in particular he might actually struggle against because there's a lot of crackheads who will match his freak (pause) like zs, crying, punny, fog, and even if his price was pretty insane, he's managed to put up numbers in the majority of his tournaments. motivation I feel like is a big factor for a lot of players (experience telling me this), so I'm not sure how he'll do on the toezes' or if he's got friends there

4. zS - when we had to let him go as a retain I absolutely did not expect a 28k UU starter to come out of it, but I understand the islanders securing one of their star players guaranteed. zS has had one of the most dominant runs in wcop and I think he only faltered by using (in polite terms) a fishy ass team in tiebreak that does not rely on actual outplaying. it's very important to stick to comfort and teams that give him the chance to destroy his opponents with plays and I'm not worried about lack of support. he's a very self sufficient player in any tier he attempts and there are surely friends he can lab with

5. Gama - putting gama this low is kinda weird, and he's actually a player we really wanted but I knew the bastard platoon were saving money for him at the end. he's able to pick tiers up fast and find weird trends and sets that are completely unexpected and usually hit or miss. in SPL, they were definitely hitting and he's got sab to steer him towards sheist away from shite. very consistent pilot in these settings and reliable

6. etern - also another player I didn't expect to rank this low - is this pool strong as hell? quietly putting up very strong numbers across all the UU side team tours he's been playing + my support goat vivalospride helping him cook up some cool teams. I think he has the most potential to upset these "PRs" and end with a very strong record if things fall into place

7. Mimilucha - quietly had solid games in WCOP and a player I think has improved overall since last scl. has a lot of UU support so can see a nice upside to this pick if the teams are strong bc the pilot is solid

8. Sacri - sacri is a great player but I don't think he's messed with SV UU or even SS UU. it's not the hardest thing in the world to pick up, but the difference in understanding the tera mechanic and its importance within a match I think might cause a rocky start. who knows though maybe the bleu has been grinding

9. crying - once a certain extreme hater of crying posted a screenshot in which crying was a part of 6 different 9-10th place teams (shoutouts shoguns!) even while having a positive record in a couple, I knew it was joev. real talk, maybe the crack will smack but it's a coinflip. all I know is their support better not be supplying them with basic teams

UU pool is always one of the more interesting ones and seems pretty solid tbh. average price of the first 4 guys is something like 28k so LOL.. pretty crazy draft
 
passion post :v4:

ranking this years uu scl starters by how scared id personally be to face them (not necessarily pr). i will be breaking it down into tiers i havent decided how many tiers yet and also the tiers are ordered. BTW everybody on this tierlist is a good player capable of beating me and i didnt even signup bc im so scared (not bc im busy) so dont hate me plz.

Tier 1: Im mentally dominated. Im weak. Im pathetic. I am unloved in a cruel world.

1.) pdt- pdt would probably be my demon if i signed up for more officials. nobody remembers because who cares but he was by far the person i played worst against last wcop just bc i went in mentally defeated. i am a nerd. i like 2 click the button that feels correct and pdt will make u see hell for doing so. he also builds in his own meta in this tier so honestly sometimes he'll just hit u with a fuck your life button on turn 4 and u wont be able 2 play the rest of the game bc u lose instantly but then u have 2 play the rest of the game. so sad.
Tier 2: Im not mentally dominated. Im not weak. Im not pathetic. I am loved in a cruel world. (but ill still probably lose honestly)
1.) punny- id say punny is most likely to have the best record in this pool and if i was one of his opponents id be somewhat likely to lose. with that being said anything can possibly happen in sv bo1 format (as was seen when i rolled 90-10 mu vs him last wcop and still almost choked). many may say, "passion... how could this be another tier? how could punny be a tier below pdt? they are both amazing and talented players....." well i agree but i definitely do not go into games with punny feeling completely mentally dominated and defeated and like ohhh what if i died what if i died and went to hell and everybody laughed like when im paired with pdt.
Tier 3: Everyday before I fall asleep during the week leading up to the game I think about my opponent and shiver a few times before I finally drift off.
1.) justfranco- me and franco have somehow managed to dodge each other for the entire gen. we havent even played a single casual game as far as i can remember. some weaker minded individuals may think that this is to their disadvantage especially considering the franco is easily one of the winningest players of the entire gen and tends to bring surprising stuff in builder. however, because of the fact that i have never played him and have therefore never lost to him my brain would not be super scared because im like a dog who has to be shocked repeatedly with my shock collar learn my lesson. with that being said i am smart enough to know that even with not being super scared my defeat would still be somewhat likely so welcome to tier 3.
2.) crying: many may see crying as the weakest in the pool but my eyes see something different and that is somebody with nothing to lose that will load a heatran with an in game ass moveset that somehow 6-0s you. id be incredibly cautious entering a game with crying just because anything could happen in builder. the surprise factor is what makes me think i would definitetly be slightly shaken to play them in a bo1 format
3.) eternal spirit: gama for similar reasons 2 crying u never rly know what you're really getting and he has an added buff of fear factor for the fact that all of the brazillian people im friends with would @ me once a week to remind me that i lost 2 gama and id be like come on man.
Tier 4: YAHOOOOO YAHOOOOOOOO YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOO (50% chance to win maybe a little bit more or a little bit less)
1.) zS- honestly i dont know zS that well im really sorry i dont use smogon that much please dont hate me but after seeing him ranked 4th in the lax uu scl power ranking in the scl v uu discussion thread id be like oh fuck i got 2 be concerned about this guy. im sure hes a great player and that aura is slightly threatening to me.
2.) fogbound lake: honestly idk this guy very well but we teamed in uupl and the games he won with like 20:80 mu in ss uu was awe inspiring. despite this id still feel quite strongly going into our games bc 1. idk him that well which gives me a buff bc living is easy with eyes closed or whatever man i dont even know what there is 2 be afraid of and 2. he did some insane mindcontrol in some of those uupl games and i dont think im susceptible 2 all that. im sure he'll do well though.
3.) sacri: sacri is a better player than me but i would only be slightly worried pregame if i were to be paired up with him. i think i have a grasp on the more satanic aspects of this tier that i fear sacri will not be ready for going into this season. if i had one word of advice for sacri and the people helping him build it would be not 2 be scared 2 experiment bc honestly bitch this is bo1 in a hell tier so its time to be a little crazy and not feel the need to go into every game with some super solid bo (thats not actually all that solid bc it will lose 2 random revaroom screens anyways).
4.) etern: eternally is a great player who i always have a lot of respect for and think could end ur surprising soem people in this tour. with that being said idt i would be all too shaken seeing my name vs his name on the weekly sv uu schedule. i think he already has a grasp on the hell world that this tier can be unlike sacri but I also feel like he tends to fight against that in the teams he picks. its kind of like those mobile phone game ads like level 99 demon vs level 20 paladin like its not a fight you are going to win. embrace the darkness. i suggest zarude.
5.) mimilucha: mimilucha is a good player. dont think hes not a good player because he is at the bottom of tier 4. dont let fake numbers dictate reality he could easily beat me EASILY. with that being said ive played mimilucha too many times on my secret ladder alts that nobody knows to be super fearful going into the game. i could easily see mimilucha defying expectations and picking up some big wins as the mainer of this year but id feel confident going into my hypothetical game vs him.
 
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Everyone, so far, has ranked individual starters. So, I will rank cores. Please note that I am an 8 year community member so there will be some bias implicitly or explicitly scattered throughout and these are also just my opinions. Enjoy!

1. Foxes - Punny, umbry, avarice
This one is a no brainer to me. You have, one of the best current players across tiers in Punny. Then you have Umbry who has been a dominant cg UU player for a long time now. And then there's dillon, who has been a staple UU mainer for years. All of these players can build--and they do it very fucking well. All of these players would be effective starters in this pool. Clearly this is the top core.

2. Dynamos - JustFranco, haxlolo
I am prepared to accept the hate I get for this take. First of all, Franco was the most expensive player in this tournament, deservingly so to some degree, and has expectations to live up to. He qualifies for almost every single Slam I've seen, he is a former UU circuit winner, he usually dominates in UU circuits, etc. On top of that, haxlolo is a very improved player, and was deservingly drafted in this tournament. Lolo and Franco are friends and have that synergy and nationality boost, and I think they will be a very dominant core in this tour.

3. Terrors - pdt
Perhaps another hot take, but pdt needs no help to dominate this pool. Surely he has outside help or someone on his team who will assist, but he doesn't really need much. I've seen what this guy does when shits important and the level of detail in his scouts and prep materials is absurd. He also won UU open and had a very good slam run. He should dominate this pool.

4. Shoguns - fogbound lake, mind gaming
Here's a bit of my bias showing. I know and love fog. I think he's an incredible player in whatever tier he plays and he has recent UU games with Slam. Where I think this core deserves this ranking is twofold: 1) they are both German and get that boost, 2) mind gaming plays and builds this tier very well (evidenced by his Slam performance) and I think they will be very well prepped. I think two prominent slam players who know each other make a very mean duo in this pool.

5. Islanders - zS, Colin
I agree with Lax in that zS is clearly in the top half of this pool. His skill at Pokemon, especially recently, is evidenced by WCOP and PUPL. He also has past experience in UU which will be helpful. Colin is a Slam runner up and a phenomenal Pokemon player. He is also incredibly intelligent and thorough in prep. I think this is a nasty combination and I believe they will be very successful in this tournament.

6. Studio gible - Mimilucha, accel, Shiba
Mimilucha is great when it comes to UU specific tours. In bigger tours, I think he has yet to have a very strong showing. His prep help is accel who does not involve himself a ton with cg tiers, and 2025 Shiba who might actually be active because his managers are his buddies, but I really do not have any concept of the substance of his help. I think Mimilucha is going to carry this slot which he very well can do, but the lack of help (at least compared to these other cores) puts him lower on these rankings.

7. Spartans - etern, vivalospride, Separation
This is a hot take. Vivalospride is obviously a very well known UU builder. However, etern is not a mainer in this tier. So, I think this core is disadvantaged from the others. Also, Separation has not touched this tier in a while and will be needing to play catchup to begin this tour. I don't think vivs knowledge of the tier can make up for all the deficits in this core.

8. Platoon - Eternal Spirit, Sabella, robjr
This is not Gama slander, simply my take on him. I teamed with him for an entire SCL where he started, and his style is very nonstandard. I think UU is quite literally as standardized of a meta as you can get. He is also not very receptive to feedback. I do not know what weight he will give to the opinions of booty and Rob. Sabella should be starting and I think does take over this slot later. Until then, I don't have a lot of faith in this core.

9. Machines - Sacri, Frankjosh
Sorry, but I think as far as cores go, this is last place. Sacri and Frankjosh lack what every single other core has which is members who have significant recent activity in the tier. Sacri, while an incredible player and a UU legend, has only recently played in UU Open. And Frankjosh has not done much cg UU play that I've seen at least. I hold both these players in high esteem, but I just think they are outmatched.
 
It's time for me to put out the PRs again (the Petros Rankings @ Alyssa):

1. Foxes - Punny, umbry, avarice

This is very much a no brainer for me. I teamed up with Punny and umbry for the last UUPL, and I think they're both the best of the best, when it comes to either building or playing. They're also close friends and Punny will always be listening to umbry's feedback and have super high quality test games whenever they're needed. Punny is someone who can really push the boundaries of his building, and isn't afraid to do so, no matter how high stakes a game is. This makes for a really difficult player to prep against. Avarice is also very capable in UU and will be able to provide more assistance if needed.

2. Terrors - pdt

Pdt is hands down one of the most prolific UU mainers on the site, who seems to be in great form after his recent UU Open win, and I've no doubt we'll see a lot of his techs catching his opponents off guard and putting him ahead in games. One of the very highest caliber player in this pool, for sure, who seems motivated enough to do some farming again, after his last middling SCL.

3. Dynamos - JustFranco, haxlolo

I'm gonna be real, Franco doesn't need any kind of support to do great in this pool. If he ever had a weakness, that was constricting himself when it came to building, but that's not something that can be exploited anymore imho. He builds and brings strong teams, using a variety of playstyles, and like the 2 players above him, he can be very innovative in the builder and push the metagame forward. His play is also always crisp. Lolo's main purpose will be to keep Franco motivated throughout the tour.


4. Spartans - etern, vivalospride, Separation

It's time for etern and viv to finally get the respect they deserve. I initially ranked them lower than the shoguns, but I ended up chaning my mind. The duck had a fantastic UUPL, and has a good understanding of how UU works. Viv, despite his not great last couple of teamtours, showed how well he can support his teammates, both in UUPL and in WCoP. I think this duo has the potential to do really well, if etern will be willing to listen to viv's advice when building. Idk if Sep will be giving any UU related advice honestly, probably not cause it won't be needed. He's definitely knowledgeable enough to do so, however, or even sub in to play UU if the circumstances require him to.

5. Shoguns - fogbound lake, mind gaming

I've been a big mind gaming fan, after watching him build and play for UU Open and PSPL. No doubt fog has the potential to do very well with his support, they're both definitely of the highest caliber, when it comes to building and playing. There will be a tier knowledge gap between them and everyone ranked above them though, which I'm not sure they'll be able to bridge. Diversity when it comes to building will be key for their success in this tour, which I'm sure they can manage, instead of only sticking to what's worked for them so far.

6. Studio gible - Mimilucha, accel, Shiba

Mimi has leveled up a lot when it comes to SV UU, since the last SCL. He's definitely one of the players who lab and ladder the most, and that's something that can give an edge when talking about cg, as he showed with his great WCoP and UULT performance (damn this pool is hella STACKED if I'm ranking this guy 6th). If anything's gonna be holding Mimi back in this tour, that might be another knower's perspective, since I don't rate accel and Shiba as actual SV UU support (sorry guys).

7. Islanders - zS, Colin

I have no doubt zS can overperform this low ranking I'm giving him, but he's still a bit less proven when it comes to this tier specifically, and that's absolutely fine. He's definitely as good of a player as anyone else here, given his last WCoP performance, and I'm sure he was paying attention to what Punny was saying in their WCoP server when it came to UU. I wouldn't call Colin great UU specific support on his own (like I did with viv for example), but if him and zS are willing to brain this together, I'm sure they'll be bringing solid teams with the potential to outplay their opponents. Colin could also sub in to play UU if things seem to be going south.

8. Platoon - Eternal Spirit, Sabella, robjr

Idk Gama as a person at all, so this ranking will be influenced by AJ's take above. I'll just be honest and say that, if you have Sab as support, you better be listening to him, or else you're simply giving up on a very valuable resourse. If Gama's willing to do that, this could go great for them and they could very much overperform this ranking, or else the Platoon should just start Sab, or rob, who'd be willing to listen to a knower.

9. Breakers - crying, AJ, 691

This is basically the same situation as the above, so I won't waste more words on this than I have to. Crying better be listening to what her support has to say, or the Breakers would do much better starting 691 here. He's very much proven atp, with solid performances in UUPL and WCoP.

10. Machines - Sacri, Frankjosh

Even if Sacri has indeed SV UU'd a bit, he's by no means a self sufficient player, and as Frankjosh has admitted himself, the tera gen is not his gen. Maybe they'll have enough outside of the team support to keep up with the competition, but it could be dire if they won't.

Appreciate you guys if you read this far :woo:
 
Just wanna quickly talk about the pool and each core because that seems fun, not really a pr but maybe this feels similar enough

- we know these guys -

pdt / franco (+ lolo)

^ No brainer placements here and honestly not much of an explanation needed so I'm gonna group them together. They've been solid for a long time, both of them build and play off very strong lines in game. They come into this by theoretically having the highest floor and personally would be surprised to see either of them have a bad season.

- players with solid fundamentals and uu knowledge -

Fogbound lake (+ mind gaming) - I'm a big fogbound fan, and seeing him with mind here in what has historically been a pretty great dynamic duo in tournaments I'd say I expect a good showing from this core, also I liked the teams from both of them during uu open. Perhaps they'll start a little slow but things should pick up for them as season progresses.

zs (+ colin) - I haven't seen either of them build uu recently but as a wise man once said "the word support should be banned in these threads" So they'll probably be okay, feels like zs is the type to really grind in lower tiers/these tournaments in general so he should be able to build a team every week and for the rest he's shown to be a solid player.

etern (+ viv triple) - I think most of the advantage that comes with drafting etern (without considering other tiers in the tournament) is that he's completely self sufficient with building and already knows the meta inside out. He'll be working with viv who under normal circumstances is very much willing to build the entire team for you, but that doesn't look like it's happening here. That would make vivs "support" partly cancelled out but honestly another set of eyes to qc is always valuable and he can also cover for burnout if that happens, they should do well under most circumstances.

- upsides and some slight risks -

Mimilucha - I'm quite high on mimi and have had a lot of positive experiences teaming with him, in my opinion he has improved a lot over the past year and a half so I'm happy to see him get his chance as a starter. On the surface it does look like he's isolated but I have no doubt he'll have help from the entire french army. What might tip the scales for him here is likely how his mental holds for the full 9 weeks, seeing as this is also his first full official season as a starter, whether he can really solidify his prep and play this season or if pressure holds him back, I'm excited to see how he does.

Eternal spirit (+ sabella) - I'd say gama is at his best when he is using his own teams, but if not sabella is a good builder in his own right, not sure how much they'll be working together but at the very least sab should be able to offer quality tests and qc since their timezones are very similar. Probably depends on how things click for gama, on his good days I'm sure he could beat anyone, or if he's needed elsewhere I could also see sabella sub in.

Sacri - I'm sure machines must have some masterplan that I'm not seeing for a way to source teams since sacri didn't strike to me that he was going into this season with the intent to build a lot of teams. In fact I'm surprised seeing him not on the spartants, it's very possible I'm wrong also, I know sacri used to be a pretty prominent uu player and builder before my time. That being said he did look to be in pretty great form this year, his spl games stood out to me so if the team selection allows him to he can put forth a solid showing.

Crying (+ 691) - If gama didn't already cover the wildcard part of the pool here we have crying, who should do things somewhat similarly to him but perhaps favors even more extreme choices in the builder. Hard to know how much 691s help comes into play here also considering the large timezone difference, I know they will offer quality insight if they can work together and hopefully for them he can get crying up to speed with what the current metagame looks like soon enough so they can cook.

Ended writing more than I thought, just want to say I'm happy to see the pool being competitive this year, all the cores are deserving and capable of having a great tournament. Hoping to see some good games all around :D
 
Big scl yap and one that isn't entirely pool related, going to try to give a different perspective on some things as I feel like most of the obvious has been said already. Also not going to rank the pool, not only do I not really feel confident in anything below top 3 but I also want to try something different and divide people by groups rather, as I feel like there are some patterns in this pool that make it really interesting and quite exciting.

I want to start with talking about where UU is at the moment and why I think the metagame is going to play an even more important role than usual this time around, as even though we're used to cataclysmic shifts, I don't think UU has been hit with something on the level of tornt leaving since maybe 2021 SCL with latias, excadrill and so on all happening in the same week, and it seems really likely to happen atm. With that said, unlike most people that are just waiting for it to happen for a change to finally take place, I don't think we're going to wait for long as I feel like even early SCL meta is going to look mostly different, HO presence aside probably. Primary reason being that I don't think current meta is really representative of where the tier is at, I don't think people have really adapted since UUPL playoffs/wcop round 1 and even though we've had big changes such as meowscarada getting banned or deo-s leaving for OU, most of the trends have remained the same if you've noticed, with things like dirge continuing to struggle as old balance formula is no longer working, latios being back at full power as a staple(even with tinka back) and previously niche mons such as donphan remaining in place even though you could argue the reason for it's resourgence is no longer relevant. I'm not surprised this is the case as times and times again this has happened in UU (just look at how earlier this year in the span of 2 weeks of UUPL meta got flipped upside down from a 3 months slop), people have gone on pause after 2 big tournaments back to back and if anything this is something to be really excited about, as everyone is coming in with a fresh or refreshed mind and i'm curious to see where this leads things from here on out. And as for torn leaving i'm really excited for that happening, not only that's the biggest equalizer possible halfway through the tournament but also seeing how people will be rewriting 2 years old rules from scratch will be awesome. To put it simply, I think adaptation and critical thinking are going to be key this time more than ever and I wouldn't be surprised to see anyone struggling if they weren't to find their comfort zone all of a sudden, and this is something i want to comeback to later. Now onto the pool:

The big 3 - Punny, pdt, Franco

Our 3 big SCL staples as everyone else hates pokémon and has an addiction to skipping every other year whenever fomo doesn't kick in. I groupped them together as they're usually at the top of the pool but they're quite different from each others, with main similarity being each one of them having their very unique style. Punny is the most consistent UU player by a mile at this point, he has not had a single bad performance in the tier and has probably the most unique, complex and intriguing style out of anyone who actively-ish plays the tier, paired with some of the most sharp gameplay on the site. I truly cannot see him struggling, his biggest enemy sometimes is himself but he's also active enough to triple check all his wild creations and make sure that they don't cross the line of genius and end up flopping miserably, which considering how prone successful players are to laziness i think is one of the biggest reasons behind his success. Punny is also the person to attribute for UU's wild shifts in playstyle usage and trends we see every official, if there's anyone capable of reinventing a formula that's him and so much of what is HO theory nowadays comes entirely from him. He knows how to win in SV and what's good this gen but it's also important to not forget where he started, he can play and create his own comfort zone with anything and i'm truly excited to see his progression through the tournament. pdt is another name who has shown time and time again that he can force his stuff to work in the tier. Last year he struggled a bit and that's a one off that can be attributed to stuff like burn out and below average luck like his week 2 game, but still he wasn't as dominant as usual. When it comes to pdt I think his ceiling is absurd, as a player he often has some masterclass level games that only he could pull off in a mix of genius and not being scared of making insane plays, but nowadays i'm not as sure of his building as I used to be. A big point of struggle to me last year was people slowly figuring him out, which led to him going more out of his comfort zone and some more weaknesses have started to show. I still have 0 doubts on his piloting ability and think that was a one off unlikely to repeat itself, he has been thriving lately looking in his prime once again and I'm sure he's going to lock in for redemption time after a disappointing turn around on his SPL season as well. He's born for this stage and is someone capable of making the impossible come through, he just needs to give himself a window to do so. Finally, Franco I'm WAY less familiar with than the other two, other than some on and off things I learned over the course of the years. Similarly to Punny, I really can't see him struggling: his style is way less unique than the other two but it works well for himself and with the gen, as well as I think him not wanting to obliterate building fundamentals every other week is why he's consistent. I think of him as an a lot better version of who p*f was in UU, I don't think his playing ceiling is as high as the other 2's but his floor is so high he never makes mistakes and topped with some nice aggression gets so many players to choke positions that are near unloseable, and I think this is his strength as a player: he just is never bad. I'm curious to see how where his comfort zone is going to be through the tour, I think he's the one of the three that is going to be more affected by a less defined meta but he also could be taking it to his advantage to unleash some of his old staple fat wincons such as enamorus and claim some free games. Overall, I still think these are the guys to beat no matter what and I think the 3 of them are going to have a fantastic tournament, I am super interested in what the 3 of them are going to be looking at in both metagames.

Big hype to leave up for - zS, Fogbound Lake

Next we have the two names I'm probably most interested in seeing the overall performance of: zS and Fog. They're projected to be the main duo attacking the top 3 and I think myself they have the full capabilities to do so and succeed but I have some doubts and uncertainties that I'll be keeping until proven otherwise. Starting with zS, I feel uninformed to really talk much about. My previous exposures to him have been OU, that I don't feel comfortable enough in to make a full opinion out of and his little experiences in UU/RU, which left me with a bit of doubt. He's clearly a really strong player given what everyone who is familiar with thinks of him, combined with a fantastic streak of records that anyone would be jealous of, but I want to wait and see for myself before really having an opinion. My main doubt stems from UU's uncharactestic SV identity compared to most tiers and how his playstyle is going to translate in it: to clarify I'm not saying UU doesn't play like an SV tier or that knowing what wins in the gen doesn't work in here or anything like that, but I think the translation is not as 1on1 as it is for some other ones and I'm not totally sure his styles of preference from OU are as simple to make work here, but it's also not something that im sure about as there's only been so many examples that tried to jump from OU to UU halfway through the gen? atp I'm just yapping so let me leave this parenthesis aside ngl. What I was trying to say is I think he's gonna need a little here to fully adapt but once he makes the translation we could be seeing some quite different takes on the metagame given different background and I'm excited for that, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a slow start from him. I think he might be one of the players that most will be taking advantage of the midtour shift and that's around the time he gets to the heavy hitters as well so that's heat. Overall, I just wanna see more and forge my own opinion, I don't doubt he's great and he's been feeling strongly about playing UU for a reason probably. I don't think Colin is going to play a huge role in here unlike others that posted in this thread, not only because he has to focus big times elsewhere but also from what I've seen their styles don't really match and I think the kind of support zS needs is probably someone to play a bunch with, which could be anyone really. Fogbound is someone I had the pleasure to team with back in SCL 2022 and I still remember him talking about audino for weeks before finally bringing it because that felt like something else LMAO. I've been a fan since, I think he's a smart worker with good approach to the game and with a lot of talent to offer, with great results to show off for it. Unlike with previous entries I think support is relevant here since he has his partner in crime mind who has had a presence in UU as mentioned by others, and for how little he played, he made quite the impact. My doubts on Fog are pretty much the same as the ones i mentioned for zS except I know him more really. I don't doubt his skill and think halfway through the season he's gonna be in full form, however I'm afraid of him burning the kitchen a little as that's been the case in other tiers at times i feel like. In particular I'm more excited to see his first half of the season as I think he's someone who would normally "struggle" in what the current meta is projected to be, so I want to see what he ends finding himself using and how well his games go. Also i don't know how their duo work but as previously mentioned I was mostly a fan of what mind was up to and he was doing things right so his input and ideas might play a huge part. Overall, I expect these 2 guys to do well just like everyone above, but I think some of their weaknesses will be highlighted as different points in the season(or possibly not at all!) and want to see how they approach and overcome them.

The old style - Mimilucha, Sacri', Etern

Why this title? Because I think the 3 of them are built like the old style of """mainers""", and I think these are always super interesting to see in the UU pool, as we(!) notoriously struggle a bit to adapt. What I mean by that is these are the "good stuff" guys, who end up using bal/bo slop almost every game to some solid success mostly through strong gameplay and consistency, but as shown time and time again that's a lot harder to do in officials where people know "how to win" a lot harder. This year in particular I think this kind of player should be struggling and have their work cut out for them, as knowledge advantage in mimi and eterns case will probably not play as strong of a part and the continous changes will make using what they love harder. Starting with Mimilucha, I am so happy of his improvements as a player and so excited to see how he will do in his first full season of SCL. I remember telling him during UUSD 2023 that he had all it took for him to finally make the big step and enter the big stage, in the last 2 years he finally found his consistency through some better planning and teambuilding decision which paired with how solid his early games already were have levelled him up enormously. That said, time to go into a different note. If there's something he has yet to truly do is to show he is willing to go out of style much, which in these tours can be lethal as it's so simple for people to figure you out and making out for that with pure gameplay is a big challenge. I don't know which approach he's going to take for his first full season, if he's gonna try and diversify more in an attempt to be unpredictable or if he's gonna default and show he can make it work the old fashion, whatever is the case I think he's going to struggle a little bit but I'm super hoping he can prove me wrong as I'd love to see that happen. Ironically led by Accel, Feli and Ajna who are exactly the ones who forged this idea in my brain.. him going to this team for his first season is iconic and I can see why they made such choice. I think their experience can help him more than traditional UU support would, as they made this style work before and probably have some great input on the matter. Other than that I don't really think he needs a lot, he's super active and motivated and I'm sure he can find people to play games with as everyone likes the guy. Sacri' is not only another one who fits into this conversation to me but also from the same era as the names i previously mentioned.. and also someone i grew up watching play and looked up to/learned a lot from, kind of surreal to not only still seeing him play but also playing my tier. Not super familiar with his recent appearances other than watching a few of his SPL games and he looked like he's still nice with it which is great to see. But once again, I don't think this tier and pool plays to his traditional strengths, although I don't think that really spells disaster? This is one of UU's greats still and have no seen anything from him in SV so for all I know he could forge a newfound comfort zone and surprise everyone, I wouldn't be shocked if that's the case given not only at his peak he was way up there and one of the first people to break out from lower tiers into the OU scene by strength, but also if he wants to win I'm sure he'd put in the time and as much as he's only ever been a standard stuff guy, i also remember him having his own style in sm uu way diverse from other similar guys at the time even in metas that felt really restrictive. As much as I understand where people come from with previous paragraphs on him in the thread I think his abilities are undersold and it really depends on how much he cares. Same thing about frank as his support really, if he was to care he has the resources to pick up the tier and help in it and he's the only guy who like owns dpp uu that hasn't started playing in the paleolithic and also randomly plays like 3 tours a year and owns in all of them but he seems to have wiped again in the dumbass nuzlocke gauntlet so yeah no that's not happening i guess. Finally, we have Etern who has been a refreshing sight in UU in the last 2 years and someone I respect the opinion of. Ironic this tour comes at this moment in time given this is the most Etern has been struggling in his time in SV UU but after the amounts of performances he put out that really doesn't matter. My doubts about him remain the same here, other than like 1 screens sighting I remember from him I really think he hasn't diversified his teambuilding and even more than Mimilucha he has been repeating structures a lot. He's a strong player who starts at an advantage in this first portion of the tour but I think with how the meta has shifted recently he himself needs to redefine his playstyle. I think his dynamic with viv will be interesting to see as I don't really think Etern works a lot with his support other than just gathering some input on his teams here and there, I think viv can offer him some strong leads/tips here and there to elevate his builds more but most important more practice which I think would probably really help him find his own again. He's also traditionally unlucky in these so I hope he has a cleaner campaign as I deeply feel that and know how impactful that can be on someone's motivation. I don't really have a lot to say about him, I think highly of him but think he might run into troubles with how the UU pool usually plays out, the only time i've seen him looking a bit "lost" before was UUPL tiebreak where his teamchoice seemed a bit all over the place but other than that he has shown nothing but stellar performances in UU and think he has the potential to do well. So to recap, I think these 3 are put in a position where their upsides as players are constantly challenged and it's up to them to adapt or bruteforce their way which has tradtionally not worked well in this pool. I expect at least one of them to try and diversify but I'm curious as to who it'll be and how it'll pay out for him, I'm also rooting for all 3 of these guys hard as we have someone I've seen growing through my time here, someone who has had a huge influence on me/I learned a lot from and someone who I relate to and feel the pain in officials of.

Dark horses - Eternal Spirit, crying

Last group and by far the wildest one. These 2 are so wildly inconsistent because of how they approach the game and is impossible to know what they're up to and how they are going to do, nonetheless they're respectable players with great achievements to their names. Gama is a mainstay for idk how many years and through his long career he has seen both sides of the coin. he recently played UU in 2023 and did fairly well mostly by beating other giants slotted in the tier such as Roro twice, probably due to knowing a lot more about him than he did about other players in the tier.. in fact he did go 1-5 vs ""mainers"" and 5-0 vs tour players that tour which was incredibly funny and also kinda speaks about the kind of player he is: he has the skill to beat anyone at any given time, but he often takes extreme decisions in the builder that can payoff just as much as they can sabotage and against the more consistent heads of a tier that's a risky approach even if you're the magician capable of making the impossible come through. And honestly I love it, this is the type of guy I want to see in the pool i'm excited about and I'm open to whichever side of him we're going to see. Small parenthesis about Sab but the guy's great and knows what he's doing and I'm surprised to not see him starting somewhere but with how strong his pool is I'm also not really surprised I guess, UU is super competitive every year. I don't think the two of them pair that well together but I still feel like it's worth mentioning him as unlike in his 2023 campaign, this time Gama's going to have someone deeply connected to the tier who can stop some extreme stuff from making it to game, for better or worse, and if listened to. crying is the same as Gama although arguably even more extreme, but I think their officials showing have been mostly positive for a reason and they're still a great player at their core. I'm surprised to see them playing UU over other tiers but also interested to see what their take on the tier is going to be, and how their own style can overcome some of the written rules of the tier. I think crying is aj a disadvantage compared to Gama due to have someone yapping in their channel as well. I really wouldn't be surprised to see these two have a solid tournament, I think for how centralized current UU is taking risk can give such a massive advantage and these two know how to take one and make it work. I don't really know anything other than surface for them so nothing else to really add, Looking forward to see how they're gonna play this out.

I wrote too much and I'm tired but I hope this was an enjoyable read for everyone and I apologise if I offended someone in any way or if you think I said some absurdity, the world is your oyster so just prove me wrong. I'm happy with the pool we got and think we have a bit of everything and some really exciting games coming our way. I think most people involved have their own storyline and things to prove as well, which is always great to look back to at the end of the tour. I said this infinite times in this post but I think this year is about adapting and overcoming, and I think anyone of these fantastic players could succeed if they were to do things the right way and put in the right amount of effort, as activity will definitely play a part.
 
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Hello! I wanted to make a post for this last week but since others had already posted I initially decided not to, esp because yet another ranking would be boring.. then got inspired by passions post so i'll do something different from regular rankings but not that different since im going to rank players based both on what I think they're capable of and how excited I am to face them this tour. Will try to keep this short to make this enjoyable to read so apologize if it ends up being a long post.

#1 - pdt

You might think this is boring and expected, and it very well might be. However nothings more exciting to me than playing what I believe to be the best player in the pool, so he couldn't have been ranked any lower. Also, I believe he's more threatening at the start of the tour considering that his mind is pretty wild so his trends from past tours/scl iterations could be different from today and we do face this week, so im really looking forward to our match this year. If I were to rank only based on skills, pdt would still be first.

#2 - zS and fogbound lake

Putting these two together because I have the same opinion on them, which is: just strong all-around clickers that aren't too familiar with the metagame but also not complete strangers. So, im not only excited to face them because of their abilities but especially because I have never played them (at least in UU since ive played fog in SPL last year). Also happy to face them at the end of the tour for two reasons: one being that i think they will have enough time to adapt after a possible (however i think unlikely) slow start and the second being that torn might raise to OU in a few weeks and we will have a completely different meta, which means both of us can get as creative as we like. If I were to rank only based how much I expect them to perform, id say id put zS and fog in 3rd/4th place.

#3 - jusfranco

This is francos 3rd scl and hes done amazing in both of them. Hes also one of the most active players in UU and has won a lot in various subforum tours. The only reason I have him lower than zs and fog is that this ranking is also about how excited I am to face each player, and having played him in both last SCL and in uupl 2024, im admittedly less intrigued to play him compared to two new faces who've showed their power in multiple other tiers. If I were to rank on skills/expected record only, franco would be 2nd.

#4 - sacri'

Sacri' has recently came back playing this game and his showing in SPL was rather impressive for someone who hadn't played for a bit. He's always been a strong clicker in whatever tier he played back then, and also its really exciting to see him playing UU again which is where he started. I have played sacri' a couple of times in my career, however that was quite a bit ago (last time was 2020 iirc, skull) so im pretty excited for this match. If i were to rank only based on skill, hed probably be 5th or 6th, but only because im not familiar with him in sv which is a very different gen from ss/sm which is where I used to watch him play in.

#5 - mimilucha

To me hes similar to sacri', to the point that I almost put them in the same tier. Reason for this is that i've never played them. Another big reason is that I am admittedly rather unfamiliar with his gameplay, so he will probably be the only player im going to face without having good info about him besides his games this tour/eventual research i will do during prep. For this reason id rank him towards the end of the pool, probably 8th or 9th.

#6 - etern

Not too much to say about this one honestly. I consider him to be strong, ive seen him win a lot in uu tours recently.. but the amount of times he used HO were zero (or close to), which is insane to me in a tier like sv uu.. so I think he'll need to adapt a bit if he wants to perform in a pool full of strong players and builders like this one. Overall, im fairly excited to play him. I already did face etern in UUPL semis TB this year, but I heard after our game that he was busy and had issues with his team... which makes me think this time it could be very different. Very much looking forward to it, especially considering that he has my son viv as helper so cant wait to see what he will cook for me. If I were to rank only based on skill/expected performance, id put etern right after sacri, so 6th or 7th.

#7 Eternal spirit and crying

Okay so.... to be completely honest, im not at all excited to play these two... they're such wild cards (crying especially) that anything could come from them and thats a feeling I don't like when prepping. I also have played both of them previously, altho crying not in UU which means im a little more excited to play them. Overall not much to say, if I were to rank them only based on skill/expected performance id probably also rank them towards the end of the pool, not because I consider them to be weak but mostly because they've been quiet recently and they're also the only ones without results in sv uu in recent times.

Hope this was an enjoyable read, will be doing predicts sometime this week as well. Hoping for an amazing week one of sv uu games :))
 
Was asked to do predicts, so here goes. This being the first week of the tour, my predicts will solely be based on the rankings I posted above, since I don't really have anything else to go by atm.

Punny vs pdt We're getting a highlight game of the tour right at the start, as the players I've ranked 1st and 2nd are facing off. I expect it to be closer than it was last season, but I'll give Punny a 55% odds to win.

etern vs Mimilucha I consider both of these players to be fairly strong and very familiar with the tier. Etern's clear advantage is gonna be the support he has in viv, which I hope will show in some form. I'll give etern a 55% odds to win as well.

zS vs Eternal Spirit I ranked these players 7th and 8th, which honestly seems insane if one only accounts for their skill level. I think that's clearly very higher above those placements, and I look forward to this game as 2 non mainers clash, to get a feel of how they approach this tier, and start making more informed predicts from next week onwards. I'll slightly favor zS here, barely a 51% odds to win.

Fogbound Lake vs JustFranco We're getting yet another flashy pairing this week, which hypes me up almost as much as the very first one. This is the mu of the week with the bigger knowledge gap, as far as tier specific stuff go, so I expect from Franco to want to capitalise on that, and I'm interested in seeing how he'll go about that. Fog is as good of a player as Franco is, when it comes to raw skill, maybe even a bit better, and undoubtedly him and mind can come up with their own unique tricks to also be unpredictable. Very slight odds for Franco to take this, 51%.

Sacri' vs crying These guys are 2 super strong players, who I unfortunately ranked at the bottom of this tier, for reasons I've already mentioned above. Sacri' is fantastic, I really like the way he plays and I was looking forward to his games during the last SPL. Crying is also someone with as high of a ceiling perhaps, who I mainly ranked higher because of the 2 people supporting her. I don't consider them to be elite support per se, but just having around you people who actively play the tier is nice to get their perspective on things. For that reason only, I'd give crying a 51% odds to win. If communication doesn't happen there, I think this will be be a Sacri' game.

I'll be back next week :sphearical:
 
predicts!!

etern vs Mimilucha - Both players here have a similar style as each of them usually rolls up with some sort of balance/bulky offense build so we're probably gonna see a balance war or something. Close one imo


zS vs Eternal Spirit - I think this game will either be omega boring or ES brings some heat team/set. Could see him winning if thats the case tbf as I think zs could be thrown off by potential madness and make slight misplays that might cost him the game, but not too likely given his current form. I expect zS to take this most of the time

Fogbound Lake vs JustFranco - best MU of the week to me, really excited for this one. I think fog will take a little bit to fully adapt to the meta and he's facing one of the strongest players in this pool so im gonna favor franco. I expect some sort of offense from fog, maybe some volturn, while I have the feeling franco is gonna bring some sort of cheese and throw him off guard.

Sacri' vs crying - This is probably the most confident predict ill make this week. I think cryings strong trait is to bring some very uncommon stuff that you could never think about (like groundless tusk in ou) and make u lose your mind. However I don't see this happening against a player like sacri'. Cryings also been losing that trait more recently and i personally value sacri's play a little more so I expect him to take this
 
Morning afterthoughts on the week 1 games, as I'm enjoying a cup of coffee

Punny vs pdt As expected, both of these guys brought some fresh stuff to their game, and I'm glad I got to see it live. Pdt (in the truest essense of pdt fashion) brought a few uncommon items on his mons and managed to get the turn 1 KO with his weakness policy slowking, and that allowed him to stay ahead for the rest of the game with solid play. He also chose to tech his regen breakers with life orb, which I think is pretty cool. Punny brought a brand new version of sun, featuring a couple of less common mons for that archetype, zarude and forretress. Zarude couldn't quite get the job done this week, but I like the idea and cook seemed nice for the most part.

etern vs Mimilucha etern chose to start the tour by succumbing to peer pressure and joining the dark side of SV UU. Dark like his thunrurus-therian tera, with dark pulse. I liked his bring a lot, and aside from the ninetales sequence, I think the play was fine as well. Mimi brought a nice balance team, similar to what he's used before. He had tools to win the game and his play was very on point, but unfortunately for him, the RNG made it impossible. If I'm taking anything away from this game, is that Mimi seems capable of outperforming even the highest rank anyone assigned to him for this tour.

zS vs Eternal Spirit This game went as expected for the most part as well, in the sense that zS brought a proven HO team structure, cabable of winning games, and ES a more unique, hit or miss thing. What I wasn't expecting was the way Gama piloted that game, which looked a bit suboptimal.

Fogbound Lake vs JustFranco Fog didn't deviate from the structures him and mind have used in the past, this time bringing a rockpon balance-y type of team. Franco brought an espeon balance, which he's done before, so not too surprised by that. Definitely a cool way to be less vulnerable to skarm spike stacks, and hey, he did face a skarm after all! His greninja also looked like a great mu call. Pretty open game for both sides regardless, Franco was a bit fortunate for dodging the 2 possible static procs, and also made better use of his tera, which ultimately let him take away the game.

Sacri' vs crying These guys both opted to use sand, maybe both wanting to be prepared for cheese, who knows. Crying opted to skip on a secondary steel type, and used the recently unranked slowbro as her excadrill resist. Slowbro did in fact manage to fend off excadrill, so I can't really hate on that. Encore rockpon and fire blast ttar were her ways of getting the drop on opposing skarm, to open up her own excadrill. It would have happened, if not for an unfortunate miss, and the game was won after all, so good job to crying there. Excited to see more from these 2.

Will do week 2 predicts sometime later and as always, ty for reading!
 
Good morning, here goes me trying to predict the week 2 mus

crying vs etern crying seemed ready to compete with the best of the tier during the first week, so that makes this a very close mu imo. I will still favor etern here, just because he's had a lot more time playing the tier, backed up by good results, and I rate his support in viv higher. About 53% odds to take the game.

JustFranco vs Punny Surely the highlight of the week. Punny's start of the tour wasn't ideal, and now he has to face the other titan of the pool, so he'll probably head into the game feeling a bit more pressure than Franco, who managed to grab the win against Fog. Having said that, I'm the biggest believer possible in Punny and his cooking, so I'll favor him here any day of the week. I'll give him a 52% odds to win the game.

Eternal Spirit vs Fogbound Lake Fog brought the better team of the 2 last week, and he looks to be in tune with the meta, for the most part. He didn't play a perfect game, by any means, but should be favored. I'm lowkey expecting ES to step into the dark side himself and try to be the cheeser this time.

Mimilucha vs zS This is another super interesting mu this week, almost as intrigued by it as by Punny vs Franco. Mimi is definitely the truest UU mainer out of every participant in this tour, regardless of the definition any reader prefers giving to that word. He'll be facing off against a tour player, who's coming in this tour in great general shape. Very excited to see how this one goes, since Mimi knows the ins and outs of this tier a lot better, but zS is certainly more proven as a player in the general sense. Favoring Mimi to take it with some weird tech, 52% odds.

pdt vs Sacri' pdt won against his toughest opponent in this tour, while Scari' couldn't manage to take one of the theoretically more doable games. It's easily the most lopsided mu of the week, but in this game everything's possible, and pdt still has to convert this advantage into a win. 60% odds for him to do so.

As always, thanks for reading :woo:
 
SCL week 2 predicts:
SV UU: crying vs etern
crying did get the win over Sacri in week 1, which featured Fire Blast Tyranitar and Encore Ogerpon-C. However, etern also won week 1 despite being a little lucky with Head Smash misses. I expect etern to be good as he is coming off of a 6-3 UUPL and has vivalospride support. As someone who got carried to Round 8 of UU masters by Viv, I can say his support is huge. Just be on the lookout for some insane tech that crying creates.
SV UU: JustFranco vs Punny
Punny ran sun last week, and lost vs pdt, which places more pressure on them to have a bounceback week this week. However, Franco is considered one of the best in the pool, and won against Fogbound Lake's balance team with Espeon. I expect Franco to win as he has the momentum going into this week. Looking forward to this match.
SV UU: Eternal Spirit vs Fogbound Lake
While Gama lost last week to zS, using Altaria and Scarf Jirachi which had a poor matchup against HO. However, seeing as Fogbound Lake brought a fairly standard regenerator balance team, I expect Gama's unorthodox teambuilding to pull off a win here.
SV UU: Mimilucha vs zS
zS won last week with a HO featuring Weakness Policy Metagross, which is a very cool set in my opinion. I expect zS to continue the innovation in teambuilding and win this week against Mimilucha, who will be a formidable foe for zS to face, looking to bounce back after getting a bit unlucky against etern.
SV UU: pdt vs Sacri'
pdt cooked up Weakness Policy slowking last week, which was a thrill to watch as a spectator. This is the main reason why Pdt is considered to be one of the best players of the tour, and with Sacri losing one of their more even games, I am confident that Pdt will win this one.
 
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SCL Week 3 Predicts:
SV UU: Punny vs Sabella:
Punny won last week against Franco with a team featuring Substitute Tornadus-T and a very interesting double water core. This was very creative, and I expect Punny to win against Sabella, who has a 3-3 record in UUCL, a 3-4 record in UUPL, and is making his first appearence in this SCL.
SV UU: zS vs crying
You never know what crying is going to bring. In week 1 she brought Fire Blast Tyranitar, and in week 2 she brought Tera Stellar Sandy shocks. She is also undefeated so far, and has the streak of unpredictability. zS last week, lost despite bringing what I thought to be a cool set in AV Slither Wing. Crying being undefeated is a major factor in why I have them winning in this week 3 contest.
SV UU: Fogbound Lake vs Mimilucha
Both players had a great bounceback week in week 2, with Mimilucha defeating zS with a team featuring Dark Pulse Heatran, which is underrated in my eyes, as it can be used to defeat Slowking. Fog also bounced back from a week 1 loss, defeating Gama last week with a stall team with boots Ditto. I feel like Mimilucha's understanding of the UU meta would lead to a win against fog, although Fog definitely cook up something here. I'd Say a 55-45 split here.
SV UU: Sacri' vs etern
While Sacri lost in last week's match against pdt, they were extremely unlucky as several turns could have swung the match in their favor. etern on the other hand lost a match to crying, with an extremely unorthodox team choice of Throat Chop Zarude, a set that is run specifically to beat Skeledrige. I expect Sacri to come back with a vengence in this match.
SV UU: pdt vs JustFranco
While pdt got lucky in last week's match, they are a phenomenal player, and I really liked Dragon Tail Hydreigon and Tspikes Liquidation Pex to rack up toxic spikes damage. Franco lost last week, despite running some interesting techs such as Defog BU conk. I expect pdt to win as Franco is facing one of the best players in the UU pool.
 
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