Other 1v1 Tournament Policy Discussion Thread

I don't feel strongly about the mix of tiers in World Cup as long as I can play the one tier I find to be both enjoyable and competitive, i.e. SS. The 2022 screenshot was of comedic nature, but what it does actually show is that there has been discussion on this exact matter for 3 years now, and that the player base has aligned with the view that with bo7 the SS tier will boast higher competition standards, even slightly. So, from that perspective I considered it a given that bo7 would be included.

What raises a concern to me is that the reason behind keeping bo5 is to protect those regions that can't sustain the increase in teams built (or something along these lines, don't focus on semantics). Isn't this supposed to be an official 1v1 team tournament? If there are concerns that teams may not have the necessary meta knowledge (let alone for gens that don't have resources as good as SS), then the logical course of action would be to make regions more compact and make sure there's enough representation for each tier. Yet, instead of playing with 8 compact teams, we're seeing regions branching off, others newly popping out of nowhere (apparently that's what I've heard) and the proposed solution to keep competition at a more or less even ground is to reduce the average amount of SS games?
I don't think I understand any of that.
 
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Hi guys,

WC Hosts and Forum Mods are still talking over regions and specifics so those aren't going to be finalized for the next few days, however, we've talked to a majority of the potential captains and have gotten feedback for the slotting in the tour.

We've decided to change SS bo5 to SS bo7 for 1v1 WC IX.

This was not an easy decision to make, despite the clear vocal support here and from what I've seen on discord, there was still a lot of trepidation for SS7 among the potential captains. Nonetheless, a majority of the regions were in favor of the change and no one was strictly opposed even if they preferred SS5.

As for Natdex, only a few captains really mentioned natdex's inclusion over something else and without a clear mandate for its inclusion we've elected not to include it in this tour. I still want to commend the work the natdex players have been putting into tiering and resource development as of late and I hope this doesn't deter you all. I've mentioned a few times on discord a potential rebrand of OGPL to be more amenable as to have ND as a potential slotting option, but we can discuss more on that later once WC is really chugging along and we're looking forward to the 2026 1v1 Circuit.

Finally I do want to thank everyone who participated here in this thread. I know making forum posts isn't as easy as discord messages but the longer form responses here truly are extremely helpful, and I hope no matter what I do or say, you all always feel empowered to share your opinions and agree or disagree with me and / or other forum mods.
 
Who cares bro, tour will come down to someone getting a few air slash flinches or icy wind dodges anyway
Super teams are a social construct
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i could keep going

cute idea tho!!
 
Goodjob to everyone involved revealing regions before signup closes and allowing west central to be the most broken team oat. Theres a reason we stopped revealing before signups years ago
So when are we changing the US regions to make things fair? If not then Asia wants Europe too its p close to Asia and they need the buff. Its fine since a td said wc isnt fair anw!! + theyre my friends and td said friends teaming together boosts signups!!

ok I guess I have to SERIOUSLY write something after closely checking the signups LMAOOOO. We need transparency and a fix to this mistake. Insane decision that is being swept under the rug lost heros Arai Sificon luser

The recent gerrymandered regional merger is completely nonsensical. It hasn’t just created a superteam — it has produced a mega-team that goes far beyond anything this tournament has seen before.

This is a major error that undermines the integrity of the competition. Never in the history of the event has a team been stacked to this level. The roster is filled top to bottom with A to S+ caliber players across every generation, leaving no weaknesses in any slot. It’s essentially a gerrymandered region that should never have been allowed to exist.

"nuxl waylaid synon crucify vertigo urfgurgle blanched drip blurb happysh fancy zioziotrip" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL??????? HOW IS THAT A FAIR TEAM? Would be the biggest bottlejob oat if they manage to lose

There are clear corrective steps that could be taken: redraw the US regions, remove the “newcomer” team, split West Central into two separate groups, or add an extra playins round instead of outright eliminating teams.

At this stage, it comes across as a level of organizational incompetence. Decisions like these don’t just tilt the balance slightly — they end up undermining the integrity of the entire tournament.

Sorry but saying "WC isn't competitive anw" harms everything you're trying to build. WC isn't fair, but it is competitive and the main goal is to keep the competition within regional boundaries and make it fair and not just randomly gerrymander regions and create the most broken team of all time and that's including PL teams.
 
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ok I guess I have to SERIOUSLY write something after closely checking the signups LMAOOOO. We need transparency and a fix to this mistake. Insane decision that is being swept under the rug lost heros Arai Sificon luser

The recent gerrymandered regional merger is completely nonsensical. It hasn’t just created a superteam — it has produced a mega-team that goes far beyond anything this tournament has seen before.

This is a major error that undermines the integrity of the competition. Never in the history of the event has a team been stacked to this level. The roster is filled top to bottom with A to S+ caliber players across every generation, leaving no weaknesses in any slot. It’s essentially a gerrymandered region that should never have been allowed to exist.

"nuxl waylaid synon crucify vertigo urfgurgle blanched drip blurb happysh fancy zioziotrip" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL??????? HOW IS THAT A FAIR TEAM? Would be the biggest bottlejob oat if they manage to lose

There are clear corrective steps that could be taken: redraw the US regions, remove the artificial “newcomer” team, split West Central into two separate groups, or add an extra playoff round instead of outright eliminating teams.

At this stage, it comes across as a level of organizational incompetence. Decisions like these don’t just tilt the balance slightly — they end up undermining the integrity of the entire tournament.

Sorry but saying "WC isn't competitive anw" harms everything you're trying to build. WC isn't fair, but it is competitive and the main goal is to keep the competition within regional boundaries and make it fair and not just randomly gerrymander regions and create the most broken team of all time and that's including PL teams.
for some transparency and information; we are aware of the issue and have already been discussing the matter. There will be an official statement from us forum staff about it later when it's ready (we'll try to do it asap)
 
ok I guess I have to SERIOUSLY write something after closely checking the signups LMAOOOO. We need transparency and a fix to this mistake. Insane decision that is being swept under the rug lost heros Arai Sificon luser

The recent gerrymandered regional merger is completely nonsensical. It hasn’t just created a superteam — it has produced a mega-team that goes far beyond anything this tournament has seen before.

This is a major error that undermines the integrity of the competition. Never in the history of the event has a team been stacked to this level. The roster is filled top to bottom with A to S+ caliber players across every generation, leaving no weaknesses in any slot. It’s essentially a gerrymandered region that should never have been allowed to exist.

"nuxl waylaid synon crucify vertigo urfgurgle blanched drip blurb happysh fancy zioziotrip" LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL??????? HOW IS THAT A FAIR TEAM? Would be the biggest bottlejob oat if they manage to lose

There are clear corrective steps that could be taken: redraw the US regions, remove the “newcomer” team, split West Central into two separate groups, or add an extra playins round instead of outright eliminating teams.

At this stage, it comes across as a level of organizational incompetence. Decisions like these don’t just tilt the balance slightly — they end up undermining the integrity of the entire tournament.

Sorry but saying "WC isn't competitive anw" harms everything you're trying to build. WC isn't fair, but it is competitive and the main goal is to keep the competition within regional boundaries and make it fair and not just randomly gerrymander regions and create the most broken team of all time and that's including PL teams.
I don't really understand what this post (or the two before it) aim to accomplish. This isn't adding insight or useful commentary into the nature of WC as a whole, it's expressing displeasure (3 times in 4 days!) about a single hosting decision which was made with true intentions.

Let's rewind: When the decision was made to merge Central and West, neither team had enough players signed up to field a roster of 12 players. This is not "12 1v1 players" or "12 people with games on the sheet," this is considering every single signup on either team. I signed up anyway to play some 1v1 and hopefully attract new talent.

You need 12 players to field a wcop team, and the cultural/timezone similarities between adjacent US regions made merging the two smallest regions an absolute no-brainer. This sort of hosting decision is made every year and is only interested in ensuring that each team meets the signup requirements to field a roster. Due to the inherently biased nature of community members deciding on region-classification, as well as the impossibility of "balancing" single-country regions like Italy or India, the hosting team does not define regions with the intention of creating a similar level of skill between teams.

In what was a fairly obvious decision, the hosts decided to merge the two smallest US teams to create Westral. The only fair sticking point is in releasing the region assignments before signups closed. This allowed for a number of players to sign up with the knowledge that they would get to play with friends they usually don't get to, which is a novelty for a tour like wcop (and expected, especially when West has never been merged in the past). Hosts have acknowledged that this will not be done in the future.

It's not clear what your posts are arguing for. You're upset that a team is "mega" (source: "LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL???????") but it was created fairly. It is not in the host's interests (nor should it be) to balance teams based on anything but signup numbers. You're upset that the hosts released rosters before signups (source: "organizational incompetence") but they've committed to not do this in the future.

The hosts did not "randomly gerrymander regions" with the intention of creating "the most broken team of all time." They followed precedent for limited signups. I'm sorry you're upset, but I'm sorta tired of getting Smogon notifications every day from this thread slandering well-intentioned decisions and the people behind them. I look forward to competing this tournament, even if I have to do it with a target on my back.
 
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I don't really understand what this post (or the two before it) aim to accomplish. This isn't adding insight or useful commentary into the nature of WC as a whole, it's expressing displeasure (3 times in 4 days!) about a single hosting decision which was made with true intentions.

Let's rewind: When the decision was made to merge Central and West, neither team had enough players signed up to field a roster of 12 players. This is not "12 1v1 players" or "12 people with games on the sheet," this is considering every single signup on either team. I signed up anyway to play some 1v1 and hopefully attract new talent.

You need 12 players to field a wcop team, and the cultural/timezone similarities between adjacent US regions made merging the two smallest regions an absolute no-brainer. This sort of hosting decision is made every year and is only interested in ensuring that each team meets the signup requirements to field a roster. Due to the inherently biased nature of community members deciding on region-classification, as well as the impossibility of "balancing" single-country regions like Italy or India, the hosting team does not define regions with the intention of creating a similar level of skill between teams.

In what was a fairly obvious decision, the hosts decided to merge the two smallest US teams to create Westral. The only fair sticking point is in releasing the region assignments before signups closed. This allowed for a number of players to sign up with the knowledge that they would get to play with friends they usually don't get to, which is a novelty for a tour like wcop (and expected, especially when West has never been merged in the past). Hosts have acknowledged that this will not be done in the future.

It's not clear what your posts are arguing for. You're upset that a team is "mega" (source: "LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL???????") but it was created fairly. It is not in the host's interests (nor should it be) to balance teams based on anything but signup numbers. You're upset that the hosts released rosters before signups (source: "organizational incompetence") but they've committed to not do this in the future.

The hosts did not "randomly gerrymander regions" with the intention of creating "the most broken team of all time." They followed precedent for limited signups. I'm sorry you're upset, but I'm sorta tired of getting Smogon notifications every day from this thread slandering well-intentioned decisions and the people behind them. I look forward to competing this tournament, even if I have to do it with a target on my back.
Pretty sure deg has every right to be upset considering how hard he’s worked to make sure India could even field a roster for several years in a row, and I have no idea how you can possibly insist this superteam was created fairly. No one would be complaining about the merging if it was done after signups ended. Seeing people on wentral try to act like this is anything but a major host fuck up and abuse of the system by the players who last minute signed up is embarrassing. Deg also offered like 3 solutions for how this could be avoided in the future so I’m not sure why you’re saying his post offers no insight. Sorry you’re getting another Smogon notification though.

Just wanted to highlight that I appreciate the hosts for acknowledging the issue and I will await further commentary until their post has been made, for now my frustration lies purely with the members of US West + Central for pretending this is somehow fair.
 
What I am seeing a lot of in this thread is people who are entering this tour with a loser's mindset. They are acting like the result of this WC is a foregone conclusion, so they may as well direct the energy that normally goes into building up players and teams towards the far more productive activity of complaining about how stacked the odds are against them. While I could easily point out the plethora of previous 1v1 team tours where the "worse" team on paper ends up winning, everybody commenting in this thread has been playing longer than me and should really already know that. Instead I'd rather direct this post mostly at deg, who is the only person in this thread who has made anything resembling a serious argument.
This is a major error that undermines the integrity of the competition. Never in the history of the event has a team been stacked to this level. The roster is filled top to bottom with A to S+ caliber players across every generation, leaving no weaknesses in any slot. It’s essentially a gerrymandered region that should never have been allowed to exist.
We are hardly unique as far as strong WC teams go. I won't lie and say we aren't, on paper, a very good looking team (else I'd also be falling into the doomerism that seems to be plaguing the rest of the community) but I should remind you that teams like 2021 & 2022 Central, 2023 APAC (you should be familiar with this one), and SEU literally whenever were all without weak slots. This is also not the correct use of gerrymandering (there was no manipulation of the US regions to secretly buff US West, neither team could field a roster at the time the merger was announced) but that's mostly semantics.

There are clear corrective steps that could be taken: redraw the US regions, remove the “newcomer” team, split West Central into two separate groups, or add an extra playins round instead of outright eliminating teams.
I appreciate that you're actually offering solutions, but none of them are that great. Removing the newcomer teams is antithetical to the spirit of WC, and I'm also unsure how this factors in to USWC (maybe I'm misinterpreting this?). I am of the opinion that an extra play-ins round would drag the tour out longer that it really needs to be because I do enjoy that WC is a more brief tour than PL, which also fits its identity as a less serious tournament (predetermined teams, no CA prize). Again, I am unsure how this relates to the topic at hand.

As far as splitting West and Central goes, this is also impossible. At the time of writing this post (after signups have closed) US Central has 12 signups (crucify and zio added since they didn't seem to make it on the sheet).
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Because MAGATRUMP20242024 does not actually reside within the boundaries of US Central, that leaves them with 11 players. This includes those that joined and were last seen on the same day in September 2025, and crucify, who was rather vocal about wanting to support and not take up space on the roster. This leaves the only possible solution to be redrawing US regions 6 days before the pools phase of the tour is set to officially start. This is assuming that all of the tournament directors can agree on this course of action and draw up a map of the US arbitrarily divided into 3 equal regions with at most simple majority support from the residents of the United States. Every day that this fails to happen is one day less that captains will be able to redraft rosters, plan slots, and schedule time in the next several weeks that they'll need to support slots because they lost players they were counting on. This is ignoring the fact that it is impossible to redraw US regions in a way that is even vaguely satisfying to all parties involved, because how are you going to decide where in the midwest that US East ends and US West begins? Does US South get Missouri and Kansas? Do they get Ohio? Why should they get all the good SV players from Central? Well US East could use a good BW player, let's just give them whatever state crucify is in. Oh whoops now West is down a captain, oh well. This is real gerrymandering, and the process of reaching even a mildly satisfying conclusion would genuinely push this tournament back weeks.

The fact of the matter is at the time of the USWC merge, West and Central were the weakest US regions, and it wasn't really close. South and East had and still have extremely competitive teams, and I would go so far as to say East has the strongest SV in the tour (it's 4 slots by the way!). It was a bad idea to announce regions before signups closed, and I will be the first to say that I hate edging signups to try and manipulate your way into a better team, because I think it shows an extreme lack of competitive spirit. I can also say, on behalf of the players of USWC, that is not what happened here. The influx of people signing up did so because they wanted to play with their friends and were given the opportunity, and the West half of those signups were people who responded with a range of "no" to "LOL" to outright ghosting me when I asked if they would signup for this WC. There was no plotting involved. Do I think this should happen again? Probably not, and I'm glad the hosts acknowledged that mistake and have promised it won't occur in future iterations of the tour. But do I think USWC should be split up for being a strong team? No. Not for something that other regions have been guilty of for years in a row, and not less than a week before the tournament starts.

If you, reader, thread poster, and presumably 1v1 World Cup player, are truly so upset at this decision as to call into question the fairness of the tour, I implore you to take that energy and actually direct it at the game. This is a competitive site for competitive players who should be more interested in doing their best to win instead of pointing fingers in policy threads in hopes it will make their competition fall apart. Try and beat us if it seems so impossible to you. If you enter a tournament believing you have already lost it, then you have.
 
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What I am seeing a lot of in this thread is people who are entering this tour with a loser's mindset. They are acting like the result of this WC is a foregone conclusion, so they may as well direct the energy that normally goes into building up players and teams towards the far more productive activity of complaining about how stacked the odds are against them. While I could easily point out the plethora of previous 1v1 team tours where the "worse" team on paper ends up winning, everybody commenting in this thread has been playing longer than me and should really already know that. Instead I'd rather direct this post mostly at deg, who is the only person in this thread who has made anything resembling a serious argument.

We are hardly unique as far as strong WC teams go. I won't lie and say we aren't, on paper, a very good looking team (else I'd also be falling into the doomerism that seems to be plaguing the rest of the community) but I should remind you that teams like 2021 & 2022 Central, 2023 APAC (you should be familiar with this one), and SEU literally whenever were all without weak slots. This is also not the correct use of gerrymandering (there was no manipulation of the US regions to secretly buff US West, neither team could field a roster at the time the merger was announced) but that's mostly semantics.


I appreciate that you're actually offering solutions, but none of them are that great. Removing the newcomer teams is antithetical to the spirit of WC, and I'm also unsure how this factors in to USWC (maybe I'm misinterpreting this?). I am of the opinion that an extra play-ins round would drag the tour out longer that it really needs to be because I do enjoy that WC is a more brief tour than PL, which also fits its identity as a less serious tournament (predetermined teams, no CA prize). Again, I am unsure how this relates to the topic at hand.

As far as splitting West and Central goes, this is also impossible. At the time of writing this post (after signups have closed) US Central has 12 signups (crucify and zio added since they didn't seem to make it on the sheet).
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Because MAGATRUMP20242024 does not actually reside within the boundaries of US Central, that leaves them with 11 players. This includes those that joined and were last seen on the same day in September 2025, and crucify, who was rather vocal about wanting to support and not take up space on the roster. This leaves the only possible solution to be redrawing US regions 6 days before the pools phase of the tour is set to officially start. This is assuming that all of the tournament directors can agree on this course of action and draw up a map of the US arbitrarily divided into 3 equal regions with at most simple majority support from the residents of the United States. Every day that this fails to happen is one day less that captains will be able to redraft rosters, plan slots, and schedule time in the next several weeks that they'll need to support slots because they lost players they were counting on. This is ignoring the fact that it is impossible to redraw US regions in a way that is even vaguely satisfying to all parties involved, because how are you going to decide where in the midwest that US East ends and US West begins? Does US South get Missouri and Kansas? Do they get Ohio? Why should they get all the good SV players from Central? Well US East could use a good BW player, let's just give them whatever state crucify is in. Oh whoops now West is down a captain, oh well. This is real gerrymandering, and the process of reaching even a mildly satisfying conclusion would genuinely push this tournament back weeks.

The fact of the matter is at the time of the USWC merge, West and Central were the weakest US regions, and it wasn't really close. South and East had and still have extremely competitive teams, and I would go so far as to say East has the strongest SV in the tour (it's 4 slots by the way!). It was a bad idea to announce regions before signups closed, and I will be the first to say that I hate edging signups to try and manipulate your way into a better team, because I think it shows an extreme lack of competitive spirit. I can also say, on behalf of the players of USWC, that is not what happened here. The influx of people signing up did so because they wanted to play with their friends and were given the opportunity, and the West half of those signups were people who responded with a range of "no" to "LOL" to outright ghosting me when I asked if they would signup for this WC. There was no plotting involved. Do I think this should happen again? Probably not, and I'm glad the hosts acknowledged that mistake and have promised it won't occur in future iterations of the tour. But do I think USWC should be split up for being a strong team? No. Not for something that other regions have been guilty of for years in a row, and not less than a week before the tournament starts.

If you, reader, thread poster, and presumably 1v1 World Cup player, are truly so upset at this decision as to call into question the fairness of the tour, I implore you to take that energy and actually direct it at the game. This is a competitive site for competitive players who should be more interested in doing their best to win instead of pointing fingers in policy threads in hopes it will make their competition fall apart. Try and beat us if it seems so impossible to you. If you enter a tournament believing you have already lost it, then you have.
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if i win i want it to be challenging

"we want a competitive tour" no u want it to be fair

its world cup where u play for where u are located and there's no way to ever make it fair except for splitting into smaller and smaller regions which still doesn't guarantee fairness and isn't a possibility here

moving regions after people have signed up already is fucked up like imagine u sign up for asia + oce and then after roster is posted they say ok u guys are too op. frailty and kaif your countries are kinda close together you can go form team Burkina Faso. Baleblaze you can go to neu and deg... well... you can just be deg :P ok lets go now wasia is balanced.
doesnt rly make sense

you are missing the point of wc

im happy crucify zio and bird* signed up and eblurb* signed up

if you want to change it just do it next year instead of literally giving the whole roster something they didn't sign up for

blanched has already paid for a logo for gods sake

* were always going to sign up anyway
 
Agree and sympathize (but not enough to not hitch a free ride yk, cos wtf) that releasing countries prior to region end was poor and led to this DEG but idt any of ur solutions make sense. Not even gonna argue about “we’re better or worse than other teams for fairness” since that feels like a proxy argument/glaze competition (you can call my team undisputed top 1 and I can call your team undisputed playoffs bound, both of which are probably true, but we hella don’t get anywhere by going this route). I’d just say there are other strong teams you should be worried about too, but this one feeling the most artificial - yeah I get that

I’m not sure if this is troll but I think for next year the solution is to warn all teams that their region doesn’t get in the tournament if they don’t hit 12

1. if you want your region to play there’s some onus on those players to litigate for it/even reach out to other communities like how akeras and radu have been doing for France/italy respectively
2. you don’t get into the mix of “are these two regions holding back signups to so they can await a merge as they laugh gleefully”

and this way while we’re at it we can also unmerge canada from east and oceania from asia for the same reasons so we don’t have to worry about the creation of large super-region teams as a whole, which are all subjective anyway. Asia, east, and west can all field without a merge either way, so there’s no problem by making it universal I think + maybe motivates ppl like Potatochan to get his dream canada roster since he’s more likely to play without an east merge

Or, perhaps delete wcop and replace it with another TT but it also seems like a lot of new 1v1ers try out the tier through here so it would feel pretty eh imo from a homegrown pov

- westral situation abuser
 
I agree with Eli that there should be some onus on regions to get enough signups to field their own roster. I’d love to see for next WC we just set the regions in stone and if you cant field a roster, you dont play the tour. My only concern with this is how we handle an odd number of teams. Regardless of what we decide to do, it seems pretty clear that this arbitrary merging of teams based on signups has led to superteams time and time again, and quite frankly it goes against the spirit of WC.
 
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