-
Check out the relaunch of our general collection, with classic designs and new ones by our very own Pissog!
-
Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules.
OC Gambling Mafia - GAME OVER, Town Win
- Thread starter Blazade
- Start date
vote: ItsScaryCary
Copypasting from pubchat on discord:
- I will preface this by saying that I'm a... my role is called an observer. I can't split my action, and whoever I target is forced to use their action only on the person they had their highest percentage on.I used it on former N0, Tommy N1(he requested it as such), Cary on N2 and N3, and Jalmont on N4(we had no idea on what he was so it seemed the safest bet, because AirC did NOT give me any orders last night)
I'm 50% omniguard, meaning I protect someone from everything but only up to 50%. I idled n0 n1 to not interfere with beneficial town abilities, then discussed my targets with AirC. I feel like not pubclaiming the last few targets I had can potentially help me catch someone lying today, though I'm fine with posting them later since they would also help my own credibility.
Why
are you voting mekkah?
Probably won't be around for a proper discussion for deadline, as I said on Discord. I hope everyone gets to read back there and change their vote, but if not, ggs? I think there's more valid cases for JALMONT, AirC and Adelynn each but that's obviously from my pov. As I said there I can see why town!AirC would vote and act like this, and I can see why town!JALMONT would act like this, but I'm also just an easy scapegoat for mafia versions of them.
vote Adelynn
Jalmont's already said he'll likely vote me, AirC's voted me already, but after talking it over with bluedoom he seems to be ready to vote Adelynn or AirC, and AirC *is* a bit of a leap even though his village leading has worked out really well for mafia in the end after the Evie vote. Since I'm not confident in any of the three (town or mafia) this is what I'll roll with for now, and we'll see how things stand around deadline. But no matter what we need 3 town to vote for a mafia, so if no one goes along with this or any other (better!) ideas then uh gg!
vote Adelynn
Jalmont's already said he'll likely vote me, AirC's voted me already, but after talking it over with bluedoom he seems to be ready to vote Adelynn or AirC, and AirC *is* a bit of a leap even though his village leading has worked out really well for mafia in the end after the Evie vote. Since I'm not confident in any of the three (town or mafia) this is what I'll roll with for now, and we'll see how things stand around deadline. But no matter what we need 3 town to vote for a mafia, so if no one goes along with this or any other (better!) ideas then uh gg!
Alright, all the info i got that's not public (or at least that I got in dms) :
Target list :
N0 : Evie
N1 : Evie (result = maf)
N2 : Jalmont (I made a mistake in my last post)
N3 : Bluedoom (town)
N4 : Mekkah
N5 : Jalmont
Pebble : Pebble claimed to me really early, then I don't really remember the targets but since it was a backup it doesn't matter. (We agreed that the best decision was to split between tommy and me to pick up my role if I died). Pebble got around 90% of the info I got too, so they knew what was going on. Ended up picking bodyguard after surmen died, but I don't know who was the target N4.
Mekkah : Didn't talk much about targets, only told to protect Pebble early on, saying I had another protection (i didn't I'm stupid and I can't read). Claim to have targeted Pebble on N2, and idled N0/N1. I suggested to protect me on N4 so our abilities not clash if they decided to protect someone else than Pebble.
Adelynn : I asked them to target me N4 because I thought it would affect the actions of people targeting me, instead of my redirecting my action. Otherwise it was apparently just idled early on.
Bluedoom : Former N0, Tommy N1, Cary N2, asked them to target Cary N3 nothing more to say.
Former : Didn't really talk about actions as much, I just asked to not be targeted (since I misread Cary ability), apart from that I'm pretty sure it was just idled.
Jalmont : Got nothing
That's about it I think? Jalmont if you wanted something else or more info hmu
Target list :
N0 : Evie
N1 : Evie (result = maf)
N2 : Jalmont (I made a mistake in my last post)
N3 : Bluedoom (town)
N4 : Mekkah
N5 : Jalmont
Pebble : Pebble claimed to me really early, then I don't really remember the targets but since it was a backup it doesn't matter. (We agreed that the best decision was to split between tommy and me to pick up my role if I died). Pebble got around 90% of the info I got too, so they knew what was going on. Ended up picking bodyguard after surmen died, but I don't know who was the target N4.
Mekkah : Didn't talk much about targets, only told to protect Pebble early on, saying I had another protection (i didn't I'm stupid and I can't read). Claim to have targeted Pebble on N2, and idled N0/N1. I suggested to protect me on N4 so our abilities not clash if they decided to protect someone else than Pebble.
Adelynn : I asked them to target me N4 because I thought it would affect the actions of people targeting me, instead of my redirecting my action. Otherwise it was apparently just idled early on.
Bluedoom : Former N0, Tommy N1, Cary N2, asked them to target Cary N3 nothing more to say.
Former : Didn't really talk about actions as much, I just asked to not be targeted (since I misread Cary ability), apart from that I'm pretty sure it was just idled.
Jalmont : Got nothing
That's about it I think? Jalmont if you wanted something else or more info hmu
this is just a really tough spot because AirC looks extremely scummy here plus I do believe Mekkah's action succeeded as he claims. but at the same time it's extremely strange that AirC got no result - what happened on night 2 to stop his action? The overspill surely should've let him succeed last night. If he's mafia, surely he probably just makes up a town even scum result on me.
the thing is AirC being mafia doesn't really explain a lot of things like you would think the mafia would kill Mekkah instead of former. the day 2 bus as I've said multiple times really really doesn't make much sense to me. airc being scum is also bizarre because why did Ade not just vote Makkah and instead voted airc? Did Ade come online to try and find an excuse to move their vote off their teammate? I dunno
the thing is AirC being mafia doesn't really explain a lot of things like you would think the mafia would kill Mekkah instead of former. the day 2 bus as I've said multiple times really really doesn't make much sense to me. airc being scum is also bizarre because why did Ade not just vote Makkah and instead voted airc? Did Ade come online to try and find an excuse to move their vote off their teammate? I dunno
I 100 targeted bluedoom last night. I previously 50% bluedoom on the night where Cary said they blocked me. I believe Cary which means that
A. Mafia Mekkah's role is as claimed and they split their action between me and bluedoom.
B. Town Mekkah's role is as claimed and blocked mafia AirC's action including possibly the kill.
Unfortunately as far as I can tell this doesn't really help us as this is a 50/50.
I do think Mekkah's choice of role usage was poor BUT it's not as if I said don't target anyone so I take responsibility for that. I think Mekkah is a smart player enough to realize that blocking my role from going through is game winning. that said, town Mekkah would also make sense blocking mafia AirC kill (or AirC split). I don't see why Airc wouldn't just make up a result though? I guess if they really were blocked they have to lie about that too otherwise it would seem weird? I dunno
A. Mafia Mekkah's role is as claimed and they split their action between me and bluedoom.
B. Town Mekkah's role is as claimed and blocked mafia AirC's action including possibly the kill.
Unfortunately as far as I can tell this doesn't really help us as this is a 50/50.
I do think Mekkah's choice of role usage was poor BUT it's not as if I said don't target anyone so I take responsibility for that. I think Mekkah is a smart player enough to realize that blocking my role from going through is game winning. that said, town Mekkah would also make sense blocking mafia AirC kill (or AirC split). I don't see why Airc wouldn't just make up a result though? I guess if they really were blocked they have to lie about that too otherwise it would seem weird? I dunno
what I think might be happening is maf AirC being newer to OC with a disengaged team and not enough time irl to realize exactly what he needs to claim/say to look believable
wrt my targeting, I told bluedoom who I protected when the day started and he agreed it made sense, but I definitely wasn't sure if it was optimal. I figured I couldn't go wrong with maximizing the # of townies that make it to the next day, and disrupting mafia actions as much as possible. but if it did cancel out a game winning mayor then that's mb too. last night we (at least bd and i) agreed in public that it was better not to publicly discuss actions as to not give mafia info on what to do, but maybe it was.
that said I probably will not be online at deadline, it's just way too early in the morning for me. so lmk what you think the vote is. if there's a winning line with no vote (jalmonts vote made me think there is one?), let's do that. if there isn't, we should just vote someone out and call it a day.
wrt my targeting, I told bluedoom who I protected when the day started and he agreed it made sense, but I definitely wasn't sure if it was optimal. I figured I couldn't go wrong with maximizing the # of townies that make it to the next day, and disrupting mafia actions as much as possible. but if it did cancel out a game winning mayor then that's mb too. last night we (at least bd and i) agreed in public that it was better not to publicly discuss actions as to not give mafia info on what to do, but maybe it was.
that said I probably will not be online at deadline, it's just way too early in the morning for me. so lmk what you think the vote is. if there's a winning line with no vote (jalmonts vote made me think there is one?), let's do that. if there isn't, we should just vote someone out and call it a day.