This team would benefit greatly from Grimmsnarl screen support over Mandibuzz or Ting lu if you want to lean ho over balance, If not then Mega Sableye is a much better choice than ttar. Mega ttar should be standard offensive ddance and greninja would be better with protean like you said. Ddance roaring moon with groundium or dragonium z is a strong wincon too.
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Aight thanks for the help. Went for the HO version of it, and subbed gren for Hydreigon
Also not that sure with GMolts item, but I think it will hold for now
https://pokepast.es/45885989fe08e9b3
Switch out crunch on moon and ttar for knock, Flynium z goltres is optimal. Hydreidon should have substitute as well and Spirit Break on Grimmsnarl keeps it from being completely passive. Other than that this is solid
️tonight coming soon to an NDM tier near you
Hope y'all enjoy it when it comes out (post will be edited to show it)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexmonotype-2314363818
me beating 1500 top 30 with victini :P
also do yall think i played well?
if not give me advice please
me beating 1500 top 30 with victini :P
also do yall think i played well?
if not give me advice please
You are literally playing psychic into fighting lol.
also beat bug 1500 with water
Does anyone know of mega loppuny is shadow ban or bug in a mono fight team becasue everytime I try to add it to the a team with mono fight and it said that my team should share a same type.
Hiya! Due to Same Type Clause, Mega Lopunny can NOT be used on Fighting as its base form is strictly only Normal.
Oh, thx
Some conversation in the discord had me thinking...when are we gonna get a proper suspect for ogerpon-H
(and huupa teehee)
(and huupa teehee)
same deal here, that mu is great for water most of the time. bug teams have a very hard time dealing with barra/mswamp
hi
I've been a manager/supporter of National Dex tours for a long time now and thus have had a lot of involvement in NDM in those tours. Since SV's introduction, NDM has felt like such an overwhelming tier to try and prep for. I won't make this post long, but I really do think the tier could use some changing if it wants to be healthy.
Please please please ban Iron Crown. It is super uncompetitive and such a headache to try and not lose to in builder. It is like Espathra 2. Honestly more like Espathra 1.5...calling it Espathra 2 is somehow an understatement. Genuinely doesn't add anything to the tier as Psychic HO is still a very usable archetype without the random "haha do I win this on preview or not" Pokemon.
More of a unique take but I would also maybe? Ban Kyurem? I outlined the reason why I think the tier is wacky in my NDPL team dump post but I'll quote myself so I'm not explaining it again:
"you might as well load Dragon or find a way to bring something that doesn't immediately lose to Dragon while also covering other types. The opportunity cost you fall victim to by covering other types just leaves you open to the set / mon variety that Dragon has anyway so it just felt really pointless."
I would personally argue that Kyurem should go. Types that normally could stand up to dragon (Water, Flying, Ground) get their match ups turned around by Kyurem. Not to mention Kommo-o is another thing that feels like it 6-0s a bunch of stuff on preview (like those types mentioned above..) if you don't have a Fairy type and it makes playing against the mon another headache. Dragon has too many tools in the builder to the point where the tier is wayyy too warped around it and it lowkey feels meaningless (to me at least) to play the tier.
I've been a manager/supporter of National Dex tours for a long time now and thus have had a lot of involvement in NDM in those tours. Since SV's introduction, NDM has felt like such an overwhelming tier to try and prep for. I won't make this post long, but I really do think the tier could use some changing if it wants to be healthy.
Please please please ban Iron Crown. It is super uncompetitive and such a headache to try and not lose to in builder. It is like Espathra 2. Honestly more like Espathra 1.5...calling it Espathra 2 is somehow an understatement. Genuinely doesn't add anything to the tier as Psychic HO is still a very usable archetype without the random "haha do I win this on preview or not" Pokemon.
More of a unique take but I would also maybe? Ban Kyurem? I outlined the reason why I think the tier is wacky in my NDPL team dump post but I'll quote myself so I'm not explaining it again:
"you might as well load Dragon or find a way to bring something that doesn't immediately lose to Dragon while also covering other types. The opportunity cost you fall victim to by covering other types just leaves you open to the set / mon variety that Dragon has anyway so it just felt really pointless."
I would personally argue that Kyurem should go. Types that normally could stand up to dragon (Water, Flying, Ground) get their match ups turned around by Kyurem. Not to mention Kommo-o is another thing that feels like it 6-0s a bunch of stuff on preview (like those types mentioned above..) if you don't have a Fairy type and it makes playing against the mon another headache. Dragon has too many tools in the builder to the point where the tier is wayyy too warped around it and it lowkey feels meaningless (to me at least) to play the tier.
Meow, speaking as a person, not really as a TL (maybe not even as a council)
However, I do have an issue with Kommo-o, and maybe even Archaludon to an extent.
Kommo-o's Z move with his new shiny Vacuum Wave is annoying, and his team mates are much better than ever. On the flip side you have more revenge killers than ever in Enam, Meow (gets bonked by VacWave), Gholdengo, Fairies like Tapus, Iron Valiant... and even defensive stinkies like Z Haze Clodsire so its a hard ask to try and get it (Kommonium) suspected/banned.
On the other hand, Arch makes Dragon teams harder to meow on due to it covering for Dragon's scariest enemy in Triple Axel and uno-reversing Normal teams. However, if we do act on Arch its a direct nerf to Dragon and that doesn't seem correct to do.
We'll try to get a survey up and running and maybe decide on it based on the results; Meow's just waiting on the other TL's to respond and catnap an SS to make the survey. Stay tuned, and thank you for your feedback
I'm not really too sold on crown as particularly terrible, because it is strapped for slots unlike espathra (no innate speed boost means you cant sub / use Focus Blast as freely) and its a steel type. Sounds pretty weird to say steel type as a con, but it is considering we overprep for steel teams so its reasonable that you'd have a way to somehow overcome this guy by sheer force. We also have defog unlike in SV, and...
Even if we killed off crown we still have lots of that guys in Psychic HO, which is an archetype that fishes for mus. Crown does make it a bit easier since it lets you bully Electric but meow doesnt really feel it does more than that that its team mates cant.
I dont believe Kyurem is that broken because its speed tier is aging badly through the gens + Flying getting steelbirds (or Pressure Moltres/Cuno even), Water and Ground having the defensive walls and/or offensive momentum to choke out Kyurem (esp with Empo getting Roost), it feels kinda ...not quite broken since the checks are there and they are useful aside from punting them on Kyurem.
However, I do have an issue with Kommo-o, and maybe even Archaludon to an extent.
Kommo-o's Z move with his new shiny Vacuum Wave is annoying, and his team mates are much better than ever. On the flip side you have more revenge killers than ever in Enam, Meow (gets bonked by VacWave), Gholdengo, Fairies like Tapus, Iron Valiant... and even defensive stinkies like Z Haze Clodsire so its a hard ask to try and get it (Kommonium) suspected/banned.
On the other hand, Arch makes Dragon teams harder to meow on due to it covering for Dragon's scariest enemy in Triple Axel and uno-reversing Normal teams. However, if we do act on Arch its a direct nerf to Dragon and that doesn't seem correct to do.
We'll try to get a survey up and running and maybe decide on it based on the results; Meow's just waiting on the other TL's to respond and catnap an SS to make the survey. Stay tuned, and thank you for your feedback
I would generally agree but Iron Crown is still getting a free boost via Booster and it is also behind screens so the idea of beating by it via sheer force doesn't really make sense. Screens are making it tank a bunch of hits bc it can run a bulky spread thanks to Agility, with WP (which is more common than booster tbf) then using "sheer force" just means Crown is gonna win the game faster thanks to the infinite boosts you just gave it.
@ Dragon stuff yea the Kyurem point was a hot take I don't really know what you would target specifically in Dragon to make the tier better just bc I don't see anything as immediately broken the type is just so strong that compared to regular SV that it just makes NDM feel pretty boring though I'm aware that's a subjective argument. Every time I am in a ND team tour non Monotype mains just meme about how all we should do is load Dragon. If this was regular SV or any other Monotype gen I'd obviously understand it's an out of touch joke but in the scope of NDM it really isn't tbh. It's a slippery slope because while Dragon is rly stupid it also kinda keeps rain in check especially both Kommo-o and Kyurem ._.'' sooo yep. Not sure how I would handle that but Crown gotta GO sis
That's kinda my point tho. Without Crown the type is still an MU fish (which isn't even healthy anyway and only exacerbates the Mono moment rhetoric) but Crown makes it a more bullshit and consistent fish that is very annoying and unrewarding to try and prepare for. I don't really see why it adds anything beneficial to the tier.
@ Dragon stuff yea the Kyurem point was a hot take I don't really know what you would target specifically in Dragon to make the tier better just bc I don't see anything as immediately broken the type is just so strong that compared to regular SV that it just makes NDM feel pretty boring though I'm aware that's a subjective argument. Every time I am in a ND team tour non Monotype mains just meme about how all we should do is load Dragon. If this was regular SV or any other Monotype gen I'd obviously understand it's an out of touch joke but in the scope of NDM it really isn't tbh. It's a slippery slope because while Dragon is rly stupid it also kinda keeps rain in check especially both Kommo-o and Kyurem ._.'' sooo yep. Not sure how I would handle that but Crown gotta GO sis
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I think it's time to spice up this thread with a hot take. Do NOT come at me either cause we all can equally see this as well. Lets talk about:
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Personally I am 50/50 with this mon. A large reason is because I will in fact hop on ladder and run brainless Dragon especially during NDMLT runs as it's just so mindless to do. However when using types that aren't coherently broken at preview given some types being ran I also have been on the receiving end of this fella's reign. 295 speed with Max investment + Jolly/Timid, this really isn't much of a threat given how many types can run some form of speed control to surpass if not have faster speed than it BEFORE it set's up. The issue at hand is how many types fall to it once you are able to effectively use Clangorous Soulblaze.
Having a +1 to every stat like it's a designated omni booster doesn't sound too fun if you don't have a dedicated Fairy type, Ditto, or Trace mon that can trace Soundproof to block it or even your own Soundproof mon to cancel it now does it?
Though I want to know exactly everyone's thoughts on this demon. Because it shreds steel, breaks Dark Normal Ice abuses Fire with Moon (Always setup on Torkoal / Ninetales) and overall just seems like a huge issue on paper. Don't know if I want any tiering actions really done on it as it isn't as broken as like Gouging Fire was (lol) but end of the day it does seem like a good portion of the player base as of current has a widespread outrage to it.
& Personally I am 50/50 with this mon. A large reason is because I will in fact hop on ladder and run brainless Dragon especially during NDMLT runs as it's just so mindless to do. However when using types that aren't coherently broken at preview given some types being ran I also have been on the receiving end of this fella's reign. 295 speed with Max investment + Jolly/Timid, this really isn't much of a threat given how many types can run some form of speed control to surpass if not have faster speed than it BEFORE it set's up. The issue at hand is how many types fall to it once you are able to effectively use Clangorous Soulblaze.
Having a +1 to every stat like it's a designated omni booster doesn't sound too fun if you don't have a dedicated Fairy type, Ditto, or Trace mon that can trace Soundproof to block it or even your own Soundproof mon to cancel it now does it?
Though I want to know exactly everyone's thoughts on this demon. Because it shreds steel, breaks Dark Normal Ice abuses Fire with Moon (Always setup on Torkoal / Ninetales) and overall just seems like a huge issue on paper. Don't know if I want any tiering actions really done on it as it isn't as broken as like Gouging Fire was (lol) but end of the day it does seem like a good portion of the player base as of current has a widespread outrage to it.
Now that I do have your attention, as I said again it's 50/50 with me. The following Mon's listed can check this during their respected matchups with Dragon:
bulky 
(Trace) Now some of these may be reverse checked by Vacuum Wave sets (Meowscarada, Greninja), this is just base level checks without the boost to it's stats. Overall it's better handled with a lot of good investment in Sp.Def and decent building but still find's it's way deteriorating many types like Steel, Normal, Dark, Water, and Fire.
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Here's a hot take- it's okay to have mons in the meta that carve teams up if you let them set up. Quit coming for Kommo-o.
-Imo, the logical equivalent of that would be like saying flying loses to scarf Gren if SpDef Corvi gets KOd. Yes, and that's okay.
We all know there's plenty of counters to Kommo-o even after it gets an omni boost.
Quit being babies
(Love you, Irys)
-Imo, the logical equivalent of that would be like saying flying loses to scarf Gren if SpDef Corvi gets KOd. Yes, and that's okay.
We all know there's plenty of counters to Kommo-o even after it gets an omni boost.
Quit being babies
(Love you, Irys)
(Love you too)
I agree that wallbreaking capabilities are essential for this metagame especially because of the sheer bulk that we have carried from Pokemon from ORAS, SM, SS, etc.
Which is why I enjoy sprucing up hot topics throughout each metagame I am familiarized with.
I think I've never engaged in NDM tiering discussions because I just don't feel like it, but I found the thread highlighted due to the recent posts and decided to give it a look. I've went 4-0 last NDPL and have very good records on any recent edition of NDPL / NDMPL, but yeah all of you who know me should be familiar with who I am anyways.
When I looked up what to load this NDPL both into my opponent and myself, the first choice was always Dragon. It feels just so unfair to play against. No matter what type the other person is using, Dragon always has some sort of advantage that lets one of its mons break havoc on the other team. Coincidentally, the Pokemon I've always had the most personal beef is, as mentioned on many posts, Kommo-o (and partially Kyurem). It can 6-0 so many teams if they don't load a Fairy mon and even if they do. I also remember my last NDMPL our team played the same Dragon team many times and I think we won all of them, featuring Z Kommo-o. Idk if something has to be done, but I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who seems to have a problem with all these elements of the tier.
About Psychic HO, yeah it's matchup fishy af. Screens + Crown can 6-0 Fairy if played well, as seen in this replay in NDMPL finals (omg im playing), which didn't end up with Crown sweeping a whole team simply because of a Babiri Berry Tapu Bulu that survives Tachyon Cutter when Stored Power would have killed anyways. I'm not that angry with this metallic individual since I haven't seen that many, but it's not bad to keep an eye on it.
When I looked up what to load this NDPL both into my opponent and myself, the first choice was always Dragon. It feels just so unfair to play against. No matter what type the other person is using, Dragon always has some sort of advantage that lets one of its mons break havoc on the other team. Coincidentally, the Pokemon I've always had the most personal beef is, as mentioned on many posts, Kommo-o (and partially Kyurem). It can 6-0 so many teams if they don't load a Fairy mon and even if they do. I also remember my last NDMPL our team played the same Dragon team many times and I think we won all of them, featuring Z Kommo-o. Idk if something has to be done, but I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who seems to have a problem with all these elements of the tier.
About Psychic HO, yeah it's matchup fishy af. Screens + Crown can 6-0 Fairy if played well, as seen in this replay in NDMPL finals (omg im playing), which didn't end up with Crown sweeping a whole team simply because of a Babiri Berry Tapu Bulu that survives Tachyon Cutter when Stored Power would have killed anyways. I'm not that angry with this metallic individual since I haven't seen that many, but it's not bad to keep an eye on it.