if another mafia is the counterwagon i can totally see it
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NOC Tracker Jailer Follower - Game Thread - Day 2!
- Thread starter AngryPidgeon
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"what confusion does des output"
the everything about her playstyle, it just raises so many question marks when she plays as to what is really going on. I haven't experienced a des game yet where I can figure out what she's thinking or doing. Mafia wants that in the game for sure. So I don't see mafia being on des wagon really. Does not make sense to me in the slightest.
the more I talk it out the more I'm convinced that remaining scum are two of these four: AirC, genisu, Peum, ShyPebble. With leaning toward AirC and genisu for now
the everything about her playstyle, it just raises so many question marks when she plays as to what is really going on. I haven't experienced a des game yet where I can figure out what she's thinking or doing. Mafia wants that in the game for sure. So I don't see mafia being on des wagon really. Does not make sense to me in the slightest.
the more I talk it out the more I'm convinced that remaining scum are two of these four: AirC, genisu, Peum, ShyPebble. With leaning toward AirC and genisu for now
i think airc/genisu or one of them + shyp makes the most sense, and i would really like for us to vote one of those 3 out today rather than getting stuck on dbd and if we do get stuck on dbd that's celever's fault for not talking about anyone else
The way des warps the game around her just by default makes her the perfect player for mafia to take far regardless of alignment. As I said d1 des is a player worth more to town dead than alive because of that, and voted her out on that logic when there failed to be a convincing option to me other than that.
Okay, but there were three wagons of equal votes. What convinces dbd to go for des over pulsar when his vote decides everything?
i think shyp has been less active than id like but she did mention writing a term paper so i suspect shes a bit low on time and as such i dont sus her a lot
god every time I open DBD's ISO I see so many points and questions he's been asked that he just hasn't responded to despite the wallposts
seriously, read back and look for everything DBD hasn't said after prompting. it tells us more than what he actually has said.
anyway DBD kinda cornered himself. he said your wagon is bad, left for like 4 hours and then came back to vote des on his pop in
p sure DBD was hoping to prompt a different wagon to form in the time he was gone and when it didn't voted des on his return. I'm using intentionally neutral language here, I'm not saying he's scummy for that. But this is what he did as either alignment
the reason he would do that instead of voting for you is... to bus des for towncred, and because voting AFKs out D1 is something uncharacteristic for him (he never does that so it would be weird for him to start in this game when it's off-meta)
local man writes a thousand words and doesnt answer the question suficiently (i think even if you think im someone who he wouldnt vote, he could have voted for like 2 other wagons)
why do you think hes gonna get flashwagoned. i also dont think we have anything about him to really discuss until he comes in
egh i guess the other wagon he had as an option was himself so maybe that reasoning doesnt line up hm
if he voted any other wagon he'd either be the first voter on the wagon, or would turn the day into a 3-way tie lol
and it was p close to deadline while no one was here bc we were all asleep (p much)
so he's either wasting his vote or just letting town decide who dies. nah, it's better to be responsible for the vote and bus your partner.
but like idk i think him going on me when i was fully inactive all day is reasonable and i think even if you dont uusally vote inactives me in particular seems fine to voet off
it's not (it was a terrible wagon even though I was on it, I was high when I voted for you like I said lol) bc we have loads of subs for once
DBD knows it's a bad wagon and we should be called out for it (and jalmont already called us out for it) so voting you really wasn't a viable option if DBD wanted to look towny
idk i still am not convinced dbd is scum
like jalmont already called us out for it at the time that DBD voted so he knew what the reaction would be
i guess us having subs changes things
i mean i just read back and he like didnt even really push des in the start and if anything it reads a little defneding of des so like. idk i dont see it still and i feel like i would even have voted for a 1 vote wagon in his spot like idk
I think the only thing stopping me from voting celever here is that I've seen him work himself up like this on something only he sees and refuse to back down before, but he does look worse the longer this goes on. When hes not talking about dbd he looks fine so id rather go for genisu over him if thats where this day is headed
I dont see a point in voting airc until airc starts posting again
I dont see a point in voting airc until airc starts posting again
but i have a lot more to consider now its complicated. in any case celever can you please post about ANYONE else and get off this tunnel for 2 seconds
good take
like actually it's interesting that DBD played in that way now I looked at the timestamps of his ISO
he didn't want to push anyone new himself but pointed out "hey this pulsar wagon sucks fr though" to try and get other town to start a wagon on town
then he left for several hours hoping that was happening while he was away
then he returned and voted des bc no other wagon formed aside from on himself, so his only alternative option was still pulsar, which was a terrible wagon
in that situation it is by all means the optimal gameplay for him to vote for des. it's uniquely the optimal gameplay for him to vote for des, because anyone else also had DBD himself as an option but DBD didn't have that
this would be NAI and just a game positioning quirk, if not for the fact that DBD has claimed to have had multiple strongest scumreads yesterday. Two of them were apparently myself and phoopes -- he named me in-thread yesterday as a scumread but never mentioned phoopes, and implied he had more than just us 2 because we were only "2 of his strongest" not "his 2 strongest" (listen it's pedantics but people subconsciously choose phrasing based on where their solving is, these pedantics can be important) so DBD is one of the only people to claim to have been in a position where he actually had scumreads to push on THAT D1
and he chose not to, despite having the opportunity to do so time-wise
he didn't want to push anyone new himself but pointed out "hey this pulsar wagon sucks fr though" to try and get other town to start a wagon on town
then he left for several hours hoping that was happening while he was away
then he returned and voted des bc no other wagon formed aside from on himself, so his only alternative option was still pulsar, which was a terrible wagon
in that situation it is by all means the optimal gameplay for him to vote for des. it's uniquely the optimal gameplay for him to vote for des, because anyone else also had DBD himself as an option but DBD didn't have that
this would be NAI and just a game positioning quirk, if not for the fact that DBD has claimed to have had multiple strongest scumreads yesterday. Two of them were apparently myself and phoopes -- he named me in-thread yesterday as a scumread but never mentioned phoopes, and implied he had more than just us 2 because we were only "2 of his strongest" not "his 2 strongest" (listen it's pedantics but people subconsciously choose phrasing based on where their solving is, these pedantics can be important) so DBD is one of the only people to claim to have been in a position where he actually had scumreads to push on THAT D1
and he chose not to, despite having the opportunity to do so time-wise
phoopes: town, obviously
DBD/Celever: beating a dead horse but this was easily a TvT interaction for me, where mafia sits back and lets them bicker and we vote both on consecutive days expecting one to scumflip but they never do. DBD doesn't scumbus des if he's scum, so he's town. Celever doesn't tunnel DBD this hard if he's scum, so he's town as well.
Miyami: voted for des. With so few votes for a wagon again I can't see scum voting out one of their own. Also like the way they've contributed/tried to advance the game today.
pulsar: Since showing up, like Miyami she's done a lot to contribute and advance the game.
jalmont: Again, very pro-town questioning of folks and advancing the gamestate. Also what I said before about his vote for Celever being indicative of being town IMO.
Neon: voted for himself as a meme. Wouldn't do that if he was scum considering he could've been flipped on hella quick at the end if anyone was around IMO. Also in his limited posting I liked the sheet thing he was doing.
genisu: I think his posting has been much more scummy today. It would probably benefit scum team if he is scum for him to just lay low, but because of how he plays that would be too suspicious so he's acting as normal. And acting as normal has made him expose his scumminess.
AirC: Admittedly I kind of grasped at straws before when accusing them but there's not really much to go on here. This is my second scum just because of lack of information on the remaining two players.
Peum: I think this is the next most likely to be scum because of genisu randomly defending him when he hasn't produced jack today. Seems weird to me. Probably about even with AirC I guess.
ShyPebble: No idea what to make of her due to lack of content from her and surrounding her.
In order from most townie to most scummy:
Town:
phoopes
DBD
Miyami
Celever
jalmont
pulsar
Neon
ShyPebble
AirC = Peum
genisu
Mafia:
DBD/Celever: beating a dead horse but this was easily a TvT interaction for me, where mafia sits back and lets them bicker and we vote both on consecutive days expecting one to scumflip but they never do. DBD doesn't scumbus des if he's scum, so he's town. Celever doesn't tunnel DBD this hard if he's scum, so he's town as well.
Miyami: voted for des. With so few votes for a wagon again I can't see scum voting out one of their own. Also like the way they've contributed/tried to advance the game today.
pulsar: Since showing up, like Miyami she's done a lot to contribute and advance the game.
jalmont: Again, very pro-town questioning of folks and advancing the gamestate. Also what I said before about his vote for Celever being indicative of being town IMO.
Neon: voted for himself as a meme. Wouldn't do that if he was scum considering he could've been flipped on hella quick at the end if anyone was around IMO. Also in his limited posting I liked the sheet thing he was doing.
genisu: I think his posting has been much more scummy today. It would probably benefit scum team if he is scum for him to just lay low, but because of how he plays that would be too suspicious so he's acting as normal. And acting as normal has made him expose his scumminess.
AirC: Admittedly I kind of grasped at straws before when accusing them but there's not really much to go on here. This is my second scum just because of lack of information on the remaining two players.
Peum: I think this is the next most likely to be scum because of genisu randomly defending him when he hasn't produced jack today. Seems weird to me. Probably about even with AirC I guess.
ShyPebble: No idea what to make of her due to lack of content from her and surrounding her.
In order from most townie to most scummy:
Town:
phoopes
DBD
Miyami
Celever
jalmont
pulsar
Neon
ShyPebble
AirC = Peum
genisu
Mafia:
oh and in terms of why AirC is gonna be flashwagoned at EoD
too many players have specifically highlighted him as AFK and 0 players have placed him above null. he's not unique in 0 players placing him above null, but he is already the most mentioned and therefore front-of-mind for the group slot to be in this position
ergo he'll prob end up flashwagoned, it's just the thread dynamics
too many players have specifically highlighted him as AFK and 0 players have placed him above null. he's not unique in 0 players placing him above null, but he is already the most mentioned and therefore front-of-mind for the group slot to be in this position
ergo he'll prob end up flashwagoned, it's just the thread dynamics
highlighted him as AFK and this being cited as a reason to vote for him*