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 One More Time - Custap Berry Suspect

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Custap's back in the spotlight once again. Custap Berry had a suspect nearly two years ago where it narrowly avoided a ban. However, despite this, it's still been a very controversial element in the metagame on forums, on discord, and on the survey. Proponents of a ban on Custap Berry claim it's predominantly unhealthy forcing otherwise unnecessary adaptations such as Protect on Pokemon that would rather use more coverage or forcing people to make strange choices during games to try and play around a theoretical Custap Set, especially as more and more pokemon experiment with running a Custap Berry set. However, proponents of the status quo argue that most pokemon that run a Custap Berry set are rather predictable, focusing on synergies with moves like Reversal or abilities like Torrent, and that Custap Berry is being held to a higher standard of scrutiny that is not being applied to other items.

Here's how the 1v1 Council voted regarding a Custap Suspect:

Custap
delemonDo Not Suspect
FrailtySuspect
gorilaaSuspect
Indi01Do Not Suspect
lost herosSuspect
RADUSuspect
beaSuspect
Fancy1Suspect
NuxlSuspect

I based my votes off of the survey
I’m still undecided on whether or not I would vote to ban custap. However, most of the discussion that is anti-custap ban hinges on opportunity cost, which i don’t believe exists concerning custap and setguessing, which is unreliable at a high level of play. Quite an easy decision to suspect it in my opinion.
while i do not think custap is banworthy since a lot of ppl wanted a suspect i feel like it would be nice to have to consolidate thoughts
I do not support a custap suspect, as I believe it is not an unbalanced variable in the metagame. I also think its allows for a mon's possible sets to not be too predictable before and after preview, which is essentail for a healthy meta.
I think it's become very evident that Custap has become a problematic element in the tier; the relative opportunity cost for running Custap Berry on any pokemon is too low for the vast majority of pokemon, and the benefit of flipping the turn order has allowed for more and more pokemon to run a successful Custap berry set. Combined with other issues that Custap provides like strange choices made to play around custap and poor move slot options, I think Custap berry should be suspected then banned.
While I'm still on the dnb side of things, I've participated in custap discussion enough to see that it's a contentious element within the playerbase, and some of the points brought forward by users such as Fancy and Nuxl were valid enough for me to feel like this should be put in the hands of the community
When it comes to Custap Berry, while I haven't determined what I would vote for in a suspect, it is clear that there is enough support from the community for a suspect to be warranted
Custap creates an imbalance in sacrifice from offensive oriented counterplay compared to its abusers. In doing so it restricts structure innovation in the builder by creating a small pool of efficient counterplay. With a small efficient pool to draw for from the metagame becomes more centralized. This effect on the builder warrants a suspect and should be prioritized before CL begins.
There are two main reasons for my desire to suspect custap. the first is that i find that custap berry currently elevates a gap between many of the top tiers and those under them, where i see the future of the tier having more presence of the item. this would be okay if the counterplay to the item wasn’t skewed to a theoretical 50-50 but in practice leads to a much more favorable position for the custap user.

Share your thoughts! Add what you think here in this thread!


In order to become a qualified voter, you need to achieve 2850 COIL on the 1v1 ladder. The deadline is January 15 2026 at 10:00 UTC

Alt registration process
  • Make any new account on PS, there's no requirements for name prefix these days.
    • You may use an existing alt, but only if it has never been used to play Gen 9 1v1 ladder games before.
  • At any point, you can use the command /linksmogon and follow the instructions to link your alt to your Smogon account
  • When you've reached reqs, verify that your alt is listed on the Suspect Page and let me know if you're not.
  • As per usual, do not play on the alt after reaching reqs
Let me know if you have any questions about this process.
 
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