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Welcome BW Community to another year of Smogon Premier League! With SPL XVII starting up, this thread will be open to discuss replays, metagame developments, predictions, and anything else about our lovely tier. Will sand balance builds reign supreme another year or will we see a revitalization of other styles? This thread will be updated frequently with each new week, player standings, and replays.

Check out other useful SPL threads.
Current Week (Will update it weekly)
Commencement Thread
SPL XVII Spreadsheet
Administrative Thread
SPL XVII Hype Thread
Team Matchups
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BW PLAYERS (likely starters are bolded):

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:entei: Alpha Ruiners: sugarhigh, Fakes, Dababy2, Tizio Potente Ao

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:raikou: Circus Maximus Tigers: Cow, Finchinator


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:gardevoir-mega: Congregation of the Classiest: Dark Eeveon, Sheik :, LB

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:suicune: Cryonicles: GaryTheGengar, Zokuru

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:tyrantrum: Dragonspiral Tyrants: SoulWind, BlazingDark

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:snorlax: Ever Grande BIGS: Mako, JustFranco

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:alakazam-mega: Indie Scooters: Brine, elodin

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:garchomp: Stark Sharks: harshest, Malekith

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:marowak-alola: Team Raiders: Star

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:lycanroc: Wi-Fi Wolfpack: Monai, coco

Star: 36000
Fakes: 33000
SoulWind: 27000
Finchinator: 20000
elodin: 18500
Mako: 16500
GaryTheGengar: 11000
JustFranco: 10000
Monai: 9000
Cow: 8500
harshest: 8500
Zokuru: 8000
Dababy2: 5000
Malekith: 4500
Brine: 4000
Sugarhigh: 3500
coco: 3500
Dark Eeveon: 3000
Tizio Potente Ao: 3000
BlazingDark: 3000
Sheik :: 3000
LB: 3000

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Discuss here right away with your thoughts. I'll update the information in this post throughout the whole tournament!
 

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Week 1 is out!


SoulWind vs Cow
GaryTheGengar vs Star
harshest vs sugarhigh
Mako vs Dark Eeveon
Brine vs Monai

A lot of incredible matchups right from the start. I will be rooting for my friends!

SoulWind vs Cow puts the greatest BW player of all time against the rookie Cow, who after many successful endeavors in BW tours in the last few years, has a chance to shine in his SPL debut.

GaryTheGengar and Star are two veterans. After a disappointing SPL XVI, GTG will try to have another awesome season like he did in the past, and he is pretty in shape, after a remarkable BW Cup win, becoming its first two-time winner. Star will play BW this year, and he will try to replicate the success of his 2025 Invitational run, where he won the whole thing without dropping a single set!

harshest will finally debut in BW OU in SPL XVII with the Sharks, after he spent last season on the Ruiners. One of the most electrifying rookies will face sugarhigh, who comes back to the SPL stage after a lot of time. Will he be able to turn back the clock and deliver a performance worth of his prime?

Mako vs Dark Eeveon is an interesting matchup. Mako showed great BW prowess in the past, winning in dominant fashion the 2023 edition of BW Cup, but never got to play the fifth generation of Pokemon in SPL yet. In the first week this SPL veteran will face one of the most creative players in Dark Eeveon, who comes back to SPL after two good seasons in 2023 and 2024, looking to give life to new refreshing and incredible teams.

Brine vs Monai
Which image animal will prevail?

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For those who'd like to visualize the schedule through the players instead of the teams, here are what the regular season matchups would look like.

Week 1 – January 12, 2026
Soulwind vs Cow
GaryTheGengar vs Starmaster
Harshest vs Sugarhigh
Mako vs Dark Eeveon
Brine vs Monai

Week 2 – January 19, 2026
Monai vs GaryTheGengar
Dark Eeveon vs Soulwind
Sugarhigh vs Mako
Starmaster vs Harshest
Cow vs Brine

Week 3 – January 26, 2026
Soulwind vs Sugarhigh
Harshest vs Monai
Mako vs Starmaster
Brine vs GaryTheGengar
Cow vs Dark Eeveon

Week 4 – February 02, 2026
Starmaster vs Soulwind
Sugarhigh vs Cow
Dark Eeveon vs Brine
Monai vs Mako
GaryTheGengar vs Harshest

Week 5 – February 09, 2026
Mako vs GaryTheGengar
Brine vs Harshest
Soulwind vs Monai
Cow vs Starmaster
Dark Eeveon vs Sugarhigh

Week 6 – February 16, 2026

Sugarhigh vs Brine
Starmaster vs Dark Eeveon
Monai vs Cow
GaryTheGengar vs Soulwind
Harshest vs Mako

Week 7 – February 23, 2026
Brine vs Mako
Soulwind vs Harshest
Cow vs GaryTheGengar
Dark Eeveon vs Monai
Sugarhigh vs Starmaster

Week 8 – March 02, 2026
Monai vs Sugarhigh
Starmaster vs Brine
GaryTheGengar vs Dark Eeveon
Harshest vs Cow
Mako vs Soulwind

Week 9 – March 09, 2026
Dark Eeveon vs Harshest
Cow vs Mako
Brine vs Soulwind
Sugarhigh vs GaryTheGengar
Starmaster vs Monai

Lineup rotations and substitutions are inevitable but this should suffice.
 
If Pokémon were an honest game

GaryTheGengar vs Starmaster — Better player
Harshest vs Sugarhigh — Better player
Mako vs Dark Eeveon — Better player
Brine vs Monai — Better player
Soulwind vs Cow — Better player

In reality:

Starmaster should still win. Harshest should win but sugarhigh's style matches perfectly into his, so there's a serious threat of losing this one. Dark Eeveon might load SR-less or Blastoise Jolteon for the nth time and cause seething among some BW aficionados as well as a loss for his team. Brine and Monai are almost evenly matched, so it could go either way, especially since brinky is one lucky cat. Soulwind might still fall prey to bored mainer syndrome and show up with his latest barely-held-together-by-duct-tape concoction and lose. Plus it's best of 1 and people spend serious time building a team, someone will overcook, someone will get Mazar botted, someone will get crit t3 or miss Draco Meteor turn 16 and lose. You know the drill.
 
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SoulWind vs Cow Even though i think SW may be a better player SW teams are incosistent in terms of quality imo which makes me belive cow might just win this week bc sw brought something so fishy that ends up being bad agaisnt most things.
GaryTheGengar vs Star this is just vibes tbh.
harshest vs sugarhigh im sorry but i only know harshest of those 2
Mako vs Dark Eeveon i think Dark eeveon creativity will put him ahead of mako.
Brine vs Monai Both are great players , i just belive brine wins this one
 
Soulwind vs Cow - yea yea come on settings. Will we see conk gliscor mag unviable slop from soulwind like last year or will he try? Remains to be seen. Brinkpredict says this is 50/50
GaryTheGengar vs Starmaster - garythegengar as a username is just not it, thats the kind of shit you pick when ur like 9. Starmaster isnt much better but ill allow it. interested in how starmaster builds as Ive only ever seen him use finchinator teams. Idt Gary builds either so this will likely depends on whos supporting and who gives more of a shit. Brinky says starmaster wins
Harshest vs Sugarhigh - harshest is the worst username of all time harshest revert that shit asap. Im told sugarhigh is an old spl player show us something old man i guess. Mars wins easy is my expectations.
Mako vs Dark Eeveon - I have been thinking what to say ab this MU for 5 mins but i got nothing. Its just very uninteresting, i know nothing ab Mako and eeveeon isnt even playing the same game as the rest of us which makes his games just the worst to watch. Dark Eeveeon is also a name in a similiar vein as GaryTheGengar which is a thumbsdown from me. Mako wins i suppose
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Week 1 replays

SoulWind vs Cow
GaryTheGengar vs Star
harshest vs sugarhigh
Mako vs Dark Eeveon
Brine vs Monai


Week 2 predictions:

Monai vs GaryTheGengar
Dark Eeveon vs Soulwind
Sugarhigh vs Mako
Starmaster vs Harshest
Cow vs Brine

If I have time I will review week one games
Have fun with the predicts and feel free to discuss the games
 
SoulWind vs Cow

Cow’s team:
:tyranitar: :heatran: :latios: :ferrothorn: :alakazam: :landorus-therian:
SoulWind’s team: :politoed: :ferrothorn: :latios: :landorus-therian: :starmie::keldeo:

I enjoyed both players’ teams. Cow brought a sand team with two strong Psychic-type attackers in Latios and Alakazam, pairing them with Heatran to help against bulkier teams and with Ferrothorn for double hazard support. SoulWind showed a solid and offensive Thundurus-less rain team, not falling to his “bored mainer syndrome” as someone else said, distancing himself for now from his trend from last year.
Both players traded hazards in the first few turns, with Cow switching first to his Alakazam, only to hit Eject Button Ferrothorn. I really liked Eject Button Ferrothorn, in an offensive team such as SoulWind’s, it offers good entry points to other Pokémons. After Starmie spinned and both players revealed Scarf Landorus-T, Cow was able to kill Starmie and set Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes again with a great double switch, sacrificing his Ferrothorn. SoulWind sent his Politoed on an Alakazam switch on turn 14, killing Latios with a critical hit in the following turn. Without the crit, Latios lived, and the damage showed it was Specs Politoed. Afterwards Cow’s Heatran got sacrificed to another Surf to damage Politoed with Landorus, and both players trading their Pokémon, resulting in a SoulWind win after his Landorus-T OHKOd Cow’s Life Orb Alakazam. Overall I enjoyed both teams, probably without the crit Cow had the bigger chances of winning between the two players.

If you want an awesome in-depth commentary, go watch and like LuckOverSkill ’s video about this game

GaryTheGengar vs Star

GaryTheGengar’s team: :dragonite: :jirachi: :kyurem-black: :starmie: :mamoswine: :conkeldurr:
Star’s team: :tyranitar: :excadrill: :celebi: :heatran: :keldeo: :landorus-therian:

Star brought an Heatran Bulky Offense Sand team, with the same 6 as the Heatran FWG sample. GaryTheGengar brought a very interesting weatherless hyperoffense team, with two strong Ice type physical attackers in Kyurem-Black and Mamoswine. Immediately from the start, Conkeldurr proved to be problematic to Star’s team, after missing and then hitting Toxic with Keldeo, he switched back to Celebi. After some back and forth, Gary traded his Starmie to spin against Tyranitar, providing a great entry point to Mamoswine, that with Substitute was able to KO Celebi, the only Pokémon that could check Conkeldurr. After trading two Pokemon each, Conkeldurr was able to sweep in the endgame. I found it very interesting to see Rocky Helmet Jirachi on Gary’s team, where as it’s mainly Choice Scarf in these type of HO structures. His team choice was very smart, as Star showed how much he likes and how good he is with these bulky sand teams in Invitational.

harshest vs sugarhigh

sugarhigh’s team: :tyranitar: :latios: :ferrothorn: :reuniclus: :rotom-wash: :landorus-therian:
harshest’s team: :politoed: :excadrill: :ferrothorn: :starmie: :latios: :thundurus-therian:

harshest finally made his BW SPL debut with an aggressive rain team, with Excadrill as its spinner and Ground type. Meanwhile sugarhigh brought a strong Sand team with Reuniclus, which has a great matchup against his opponent’s squad. After both players set Stealth Rock and some damage, harshest was able to setup with Nasty Plot Thundurus-T on Ferrothorn, a threat that if left unchecked could prove to be game ending. Both players tried to reposition to find footing, and at turn 28, harshest’s Latios tricked his Choice Scarf onto Reuniclus, de facto crippling the biggest threat, after he previously stopped it with Encore Politoed. On turn 46 Thundurus-T paralyzed Rotom-W, which remained paralyzed failing to kill the genie. This momentum swing allowed harshest to open a gap and win, killing sugarhigh’s Latios with his Politoed at the end. I like some elements of both players’ teams and disliked some others. I appreciate Nasty Plot Thundurus-T’s wallbreaking power, and Excadrill’s spinning ability is necessary to provide it with many entry points. sugarhigh’s team shows a solid sand team that can answer well to most threats, even if Ferrothorn was a bit passive in this matchup.

Mako vs Dark Eeveon

Mako’s team: :blissey: :excadrill: :slowbro: :terrakion: :tyranitar: :zapdos:
Dark Eeveon’s team: :ferrothorn: :gengar: :scizor: :kingdra: :starmie: :dragonite:

Mako makes his BW SPL debut vs. Dark Eeveon, who returns to the SPL stage after his 2024 season. Mako used an old dice’s team from 2024, that dice brought vs Eeveon himself, while Dark Eeveon brought a very creative team, with manual weather with Rain Dance Starmie, in the hopes of abusing Kingdra’s Swift Swim ability. Mako immediately gets the lead, killing Ferrothorn with Tyranitar thanks to Fire Punch. Blissey has a good matchup, as it walls Eeveon’s Kingdra, but his team has the necessary tools to make holes through the opposition, with Substitute Gengar, Scizor, and Dragonite.
Terrakion proved to be an effective revenge killer for Mako. With different RNG with the paralysis we could have had a different game. I like Eeveon’s creativity and will to innovate, experimenting with manual weather. Substitute Gengar has a lot of potential, sadly Focus Blast accuracy remains the biggest issue. Mako brought a solid team that was able to win against his opponent in the past, granting herself a good matchup.

Brine vs Monai

Brine’s team: :landorus-therian: :breloom: :starmie: :latias: :jirachi: :dragonite:
Monai’s team: :tyranitar: :terrakion: :reuniclus: :latios: :ferrothorn: :landorus-therian:

Sadly a disappointing game ruled by luck, after Monai’s mixed attacker Tyranitar was able to successfully freeze both Jirachi and Landorus-T on his first tries. Brine had to fight an uphill battle from there on. Brine’s team is an hyperoffense team, featuring a Life Orb Latias, Breloom, and Dragonite. Having to deal with such momentum loss since the start of the game put him in a big disadvantage. Monai’s Tyranitar was the MVP of the game, after freezing Jirachi he unfroze it cause he needed to damage it, to only freeze Landorus-T right after. With Jirachi gone, Brine lost his only check to Trick Room Reuniclus. Then Monai managed to prevent any of Brine’s threats to snowball or force enough damage to get him in the lead.
 
Week 3 is out!


Soulwind vs Sugarhigh
Harshest vs Monai
Mako vs Starmaster
Brine vs GaryTheGengar
Finchinator vs Dark Eeveon
 
Week 2 game reviews

Replays
Monai :Tyranitar: :Gastrodon-East: :Celebi: :Gliscor: :Excadrill: :Magnezone:
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GaryTheGengar :Tyranitar: :Landorus-Therian: :Garchomp: :Celebi: :Excadrill: :Keldeo:

First game of the BW SPL week between Monai and GaryTheGengar, both coming in strong after wins in week 1. On preview, it looked like a kind of difficult matchup for Monai, as Gary’s team had the tools to fend off most of his damage output. His team is also relatively slow, as both Garchomp and Keldeo outspeed every Pokemon on Monai’s team if scarfless. After some back and forth Monai was able to trade a Toxic and some damage on his Gastrodon to poison and damage Gary’s Keldeo (which can’t heal later), he was able to enter the field and setup with Swords Dance Gliscor, who showed it was faster than Landorus-T, heavily damaging it with Ice Fang. After sacrificing Magnezone for some damage on the fully specially defensive Sword Dance Excadrill of Gary, Gliscor was able to enter the field again. After Gary revealed Nasty Plot Celebi, Gliscor was able to setup on Celebi after coming in on Scarf Garchomp on a double switch, and winning the speed tie allowed Monai to kill the opposing Celebi. With Keldeo falling to Toxic, the game was over as Gliscor could take care of the remaining Pokemon. Fast Gliscor proved to be clutch for Monai, as he was able to outspeed and so kill Landorus, Tyranitar, and Excadrill, while Speed tying with Gary’s Celebi (they were probably 310 or 311, just enough to outspeed +Spe Nature Landorus-T). Once Keldeo got poisoned and took chip damage coming in on a Gliscor Earthquake, its days were numbered, as Gary failed to eliminate Monai’s Celebi and Gastrodon to facilitate his Keldeo and Garchomp.

Dark Eeveon :Tyranitar: :Gliscor: :Rotom-Wash: :Tangrowth: :Excadrill: :Terrakion:
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SoulWind :Jellicent: :Mamoswine: :Ferrothorn: :Zapdos: :Excadrill: :Alakazam:

Dark Eeveon coming off a loss was hungry for a comeback win, while SoulWind after his week 1 win wanted to help the Tyrants with another. Eeveon’s team looks somewhat regular for his standards, showing only one Pokemon below OU, Tangrowth. SoulWind’s team feels like a half complete sand team, problem is it misses the sand setter. SoulWind gets hazards up with his Ferrothorn, but Excadrill spins. After revealing SD Gliscor and chipping Zapdos and Mamoswine, on turn 24 Eeveon kills Jellicent with Rotom-W (who maybe SoulWind thought was choice-locked, as he didn’t reveal Leftovers). After the only Ghost type went down and Zapdos was low, Eeveon was able to clean with Terrakion, as Focus Sash Alakazam without HP Ice was at 1% and had no way to kill bulky Gliscor. Great game from Eeveon, who was able to outmaneuver the opponent and put the match on his tracks. SoulWind’s team feels a bit weak to Volcarona and to strong wallbreakers like Terrakion, as it could also click Close Combat almost freely at that point. Eeveon loaded a good team with good offensive and defensive synergies, it didn’t show Stealth Rock, so maybe Tyranitar was the chosen rocker.

sugarhigh :Politoed: :Dragonite: :Starmie: :Thundurus-Therian: :Ferrothorn: :Mamoswine:
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Mako :Scizor: :Magnezone: :Dragonite: :Latios: :Landorus-Therian: :Jirachi:

sugarhigh, coming off a loss against a rain team, decided to use rain himself, while Mako opted for a weatherless team with three Steel types, especially Magnezone to trap opposing Steel Pokemons. After Mako led Latios, as she had no risk of him getting trapped, sugarhigh sent in his only Latios switch-in, Ferrothorn, who got trapped by Mako’s Magnezone on turn 3. After Ferrothorn’s death, Latios was able to freely drop Draco Meteor on sugarhigh’s team; Mako avoided a Mamoswine Ice Shard kill of the Eon Pokemon using Scizor and killing the mammoth back with Bullet Punch. Choice Band Dragonite and Magnezone closed things off for Mako. After Ferrothorn got trapped and killed, Mako’s game was downhill. Having two strong priority users in Scizor and Dragonite helped avoiding Thundurus and Mamoswine snowballing. Very short game, it wasn’t an easy matchup for sugarhigh because of Magnezone.

Star :Tyranitar: :Ferrothorn: :Rotom-Wash: :Landorus-Therian: :Latios: :Alakazam:
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harshest :Tyranitar: :Landorus-Therian: :Excadrill: :Volcarona: :Seismitoad: :Latios:

Star uses again on week 2 a team with the same 6 as a sample team, in this case Rotom Psyspam, the first sample (:tyranitar::landorus_therian::rotom_wash::ferrothorn::alakazam::latios:). harshest brings an interesting sand team, with Sesmitoad to help vs Water and Ground types and to absorb status, and a Volcarona to help with his wallbreaking power. After trading damages and hazards, and revealing some sets (like Life Orb Alakazam on Star’s side). After turn 25 harshest was very smart as he leveraged Ferrothorn’s low health to recover health on his Sesmitoad with Leftovers. Afterwards his Scarf Landorus-T was able to kill the opposing Landorus-T. With Rotom-W last, Star was able to kill Tyranitar but couldn’t break through Sesmitoad, which is basically immune to all its moves. Very close game, the hazard war proved to be important, mainly Ferrothorn without a Grass move allowed Sesmitoad to heal itself back up.

Cow :Aerodactyl: :Breloom: :Jirachi: :Starmie: :Dragonite: :Scizor:
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Brine :Tyranitar: :Landorus-Therian: :Ferrothorn: :Terrakion: :Latios: :Starmie:

Both coming off losses on their debut and more hungry than ever, Cow and Brine brought their A-game to the table. Cow used a Smurf-like hyperoffense structure, with his dedicated lead being Aerodactyl, that thanks to its high speed tier, it’s able to use Taunt and set Stealth Rock before anyone else. Brine immediately revealed his Scarf Landorus-T to set Stealth Rock on turn 1, and went Tyranitar on turn 2 probably expecting a Starmie. Cow sent Breloom instead, which was able to use Superpower for free, claiming Tyranitar’s life. On turn 3, Brine’s Starmie used Hydro Pump against Breloom, as Cow didn’t switch out, he ended up killing Starmie with Seed Bomb. With only Ferrothorn left to deal with the offensive pressure of Cow’s teams, the game got decided at turn 20, where Brine was betting on a double Protect of Ferrothorn to defeat Swords Dance Scizor, who detonated his team. Overall I liked both players’ team, Cow was able to manuveur well a pretty known HO structure, while Brine struggled to regain footing after losing two Pokemon on two consecutive turns.
 
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