Oh yea makes sense. It does slap deo tho
I think yea. I kinda think it could possibly rise but it does make the most sense to remain b+
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Resource SV OU Indigo Disk Viability Ranking Thread - (update on post #1193))
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A+ → S-/SPech has proved to hold the tier together by walling Dnite, Zama & Woger. it pivots with Ps and enters on any physical hit, it's able to do decent damage with Mc while also forcing others out due to toxic & confusion making anything wear down. it's bad match ups (Dengo & Gambit) can be checked with some pokemon (Ie: ting lu, great tusk, hamurott & more)
A- → AIt's unstoppable after 1 weak armor proc and it's almost impossible to wall. It's versatility also makes it somewhat hard to avoid the proc.
S → S-It's incredible don't get me wrong but it doesn't have that much to offer other than unpredictable sweeping, And to be properly S tier you need to be incredible and versatile to the meta.
A- → AIt's great support to any team thanks to grassy terrain, healing (almost) anyone and being able to make any pokemon have +1 def (grassy seed). It's also great offensively with 72bp priority, 156 bp stab with wood hammer, pivoting AND knock off. it's one of the easiest pokemon to just slap on offence (the best architype rn)
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A → A+nearly forgot this one, it just enters on so many pokemon it's INSANE on balance. BB lets it mess with woger while still doing decent damage to Tusk, Zama and frailer mons. U-turn let's it bring frailer mons in safely. defog is nice secondary hazard removal. all combines with the incredble typing makes it a consistent balanced pick
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B+ → BI hate to say this but other than wogerpon & darkrai it doesn't have good matchups to any top tier.
It's mainly used to eat up Hyper offense but for that you can use a rock resist, faster, and number 1 Pokemon in the tier.
It still has a niche but it doesn't feel as good as any of the other B+ Pokemon.
Sorry my boy but you've fallen off..
A → A+Do I need to explain? People have already done it for me. It just has much utilit.
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I super agree with this. Pech is such a great glue and I've almost never built a team without it in the past 3ish weeks. So so reliable rn.
Pech has proved to hold the tier together by walling Dnite, Zama & Woger. it pivots with Ps and enters on any physical hit, it's able to do decent damage with Mc while also forcing others out due to toxic & confusion making anything wear down. it's bad match ups (Dengo & Gambit) can be checked with some pokemon (Ie: ting lu, great tusk, hamurott & more)
This I am somewhat agree with but the point you made here doesn't have any logic. Boots ledge would be obvious and a lot easier to deal with as ledge is only really a threat when it has the weak armor boost.
It's unstoppable after 1 weak armor proc and it's almost impossible to wall. It's versatility make it hard to avoid the proc, you think it's sash so it won't switch on Sr? it's hdb and takes the hit and sweeps ya
Even so, there are a lot of common ways to deal w/this guy, dashed or not. Just get up rocks and have a decent special attacker / lando or Garg.
Dnite isn't only a sweeper tho. It's pretty good as a check to extremely common and major threats like woger. Multiscale also let's it check almost anything at full HP.
It's incredible don't get me wrong but it doesn't have that much to offer other than unpredictable sweeping, And to be properly S tier you need to be incredible and versatile to the meta.
Giga disagree. Rilla has terrain, sure, which nobody is denying is great. But it feels really unreliable. If the opp has molt or zap, two very good and common mons right now, it's almost entirely useless outside of its ability. Sure, it can knock them, but it can easily be paraed or burned. It's also checked by alot in the tier as grass isn't really the strongest or most reliable stab. Stuff it would want to revenge kill will most likely resist it's hit and ko it back
It's incredible support to any team thanks to grassy terrain, healing (almost) anyone and being able to make any pokemon have +1 def (grassy seed). It's also incredible offensively with 72bp priority, 156 bp stab with wood hammer, pivoting AND knock off. it's one of the easiest pokemon to just slap on offence (the best architype rn)
Not only this, but it's kind of a fake woger check.
This all being said rilla isn't bad, it's just insane to suggest moving up a mon two tiers that's honestly very flawed
Yea agreed, corv is def rly good rnEdit 1:
nearly forgot this one, it just enters on so many pokemon it's INSANE on balance. BB lets it mess with woger while still doing decent damage to Tusk, Zama and frailer mons. U-turn let's it bring frailer mons in safely. defog is nice secondary hazard removal. all combines with the incredble typing makes it a consistent balanced pick
Not sure if it should move up a tier necessarily but it's good and I can see why you'd do that
C+ -> B
C+ -> B
C -> BTap in to the rmt for more indepth explanation, but I think rain in general is very underrated right now. Barra and Overqwil work very well in tandem, and you can easily supplement them with other abuser like thunder/wball Raging Bolt to create extremely threatening offensive cores that are very hard to deal with for both HO teams due to the speed from swift swim and for fatter teams due to the raw power these two fishes possess.
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A+ → S-/SPech has proved to hold the tier together by walling Dnite, Zama & Woger. it pivots with Parting shot and enters on any physical hit, it's able to do decent damage with Malignant Chain while also forcing others out due to toxic & confusion making anything wear down. it's bad match ups (Dengo & Gambit) can be checked with some pokemon (Ie: ting lu, great tusk, hamurott & more)
A- → AIt's unstoppable after 1 weak armor proc and it's almost impossible to wall. It's versatility also makes it somewhat hard to avoid the proc.
S → S-It's incredible don't get me wrong but it doesn't have that much to offer other than unpredictable sweeping, And to be properly S tier you need to be incredible and versatile to the meta.
A- → AIt's great support to any team thanks to grassy terrain, healing (almost) anyone and being able to make any pokemon have +1 def (grassy seed). It's also great offensively with 72bp priority, 156 bp stab with wood hammer, pivoting AND knock off. it's one of the easiest pokemon to just slap on offence (the best architype rn)
A → A+nearly forgot this one, it just enters on so many pokemon it's INSANE on balance. BB lets it mess with woger while still doing decent damage to Tusk, Zama and frailer mons. U-turn let's it bring frailer mons in safely. defog is nice secondary hazard removal. all combines with the incredble typing makes it a consistent balanced pick
B+ → BI hate to say this but other than wogerpon & darkrai it doesn't have good matchups to any top tier.
It's mainly used to eat up Hyper offense but for that you can use a rock resist, faster, and number 1 Pokemon in the tier.
It still has a niche but it doesn't feel as good as any of the other B+ Pokemon.
Sorry my boy but you've fallen off..
A → A+Magic bounce + good sp.at + versatility
B+ → BIt's just not that good
B+ → A-
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Pinkacross Is gonna get mad at this.
Moth should drop to B btw, Moth Is so fraud and Booster speed Is so weak that it's not worth using
Yeah.
But moth has good sets that people just don't use for some reason. Booster sp.at agility, scarf uturn, bulky Tspikes spreader & absorber. So I'll keep it in B+ unless the other sets prove to be bad
C- -> C+I used to be a rain detractor in SVOU but now it's gaining more and more popularity to my surprise. My argument for Iron Mugulis to rise up to C+ is basically that Jugulis gives rain a lot of consistency and should be used more often in that archetype because of the role compression it has: it gives Rain a Ground immunity + a Ghost resistance, a Wellspring/Rillaboom offensive check with Hurricane and Taunt to stop hazard stack and Dragonite from setup sweeping and powering up through the team, which is a considerable problem for rain.
So basically Jugulis viability is tied to the viability of rain because it's mediocre otherwise, but people are starting to experiment more with this archetype and with metagame develop and experimentation rain could be considered a viable archetype again
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Petition for Polteageist to get on the VR. Shell smash + stored power = budget espathra
-> B+ RankThis mon is decentish, but becoming deadweight when it gets Knocked Off is such a debilitating drawback. Potentially threatening a burn isn't enough in this meta where reliability is a concern imo. Not helping matters is the massive taunt epicdemic that has taken over recently, which also bad for this Pokemon in addition to the Knock Off Spam since it will prevent it from recoverying. This Pokemon still occupies a valuable niche in the metagame, but I feel trends are going against it.
-> A+CB basically has no switch-ins and is crazy strong for how fast it is. Things are kinda playing out how they did in gen 8, where a good chunk of the ghost switch-ins get chipped by U-Turn / hazards over the course of a match. Being a Tera Sink is a bit problematic, but this mon still has its trusty utility / Specs sets which are as amazing as ever. Another perk about this mon is that Clear Body blocks cheese effects like Intimidate / Webs / Parting Shot, giving you another avenue to play around these Pokemon, with Infiltrator also being great on Specs sets for the veil spam.
-> A+This mon has become crazy busted again. As usual, Salt Cure Counterplay is basically non-existant besides running Cloak and Clefable (which is a great mon fwiw). Cloak kinda has more applicability now than it did in earlier iterations of the metagame, with it blocking some prominent cheese secondary effects like Malignant Chain, Psychic Noise, etc, but lets be real - running it is still a massive oppurtunity cost & this mon can just beat most of these Cloak mons like Pecharunt anyways if it swaps to running Curse - which is still amazing as usual.
-> AIts difficult to stop this mon from doing its shtick and getting all the hazards setup, esp w/ new variants that are running Flip Turn to chip down mons like Gweezing. The one set with Knock Off / Ceaseless / Flip Turn is espicially difficult for bulkier builds to pin down.
Ok the first one was hurtful to my heart, otherwise i agree with all of these
This mon is decentish, but becoming deadweight when it gets Knocked Off is such a debilitating drawback. Potentially threatening a burn isn't enough in this meta where reliability is a concern imo. Not helping matters is the massive taunt epicdemic that has taken over recently, which also bad for this Pokemon in addition to the Knock Off Spam since it will prevent it from recoverying. This Pokemon still occupies a valuable niche in the metagame, but I feel trends are going against it.
CB basically has no switch-ins and is crazy strong for how fast it is. Things are kinda playing out how they did in gen 8, where a good chunk of the ghost switch-ins get chipped by U-Turn / hazards over the course of a match. Being a Tera Sink is a bit problematic, but this mon still has its trusty utility / Specs sets which are as amazing as ever. Another perk about this mon is that Clear Body blocks cheese effects like Intimidate / Webs / Parting Shot, giving you another avenue to play around these Pokemon, with Infiltrator also being great on Specs sets for the veil spam.
This mon has become crazy busted again. As usual, Salt Cure Counterplay is basically non-existant besides running Cloak and Clefable (which is a great mon fwiw). Cloak kinda has more applicability now than it did in earlier iterations of the metagame, with it blocking some prominent cheese secondary effects like Malignant Chain, Psychic Noise, etc, but lets be real - running it is still a massive oppurtunity cost & this mon can just beat most of these Cloak mons like Pecharunt anyways if it swaps to running Curse - which is still amazing as usual.
Its difficult to stop this mon from doing its shtick and getting all the hazards setup, esp w/ new variants that are running Flip Turn to chip down mons like Gweezing. The one set with Knock Off / Ceaseless / Flip Turn is espicially difficult for bulkier builds to pin down.
Idk why Pult dropped in the first place, it's still amazing against cheesy screens and Offense which is trending these days
Garganacl Is annoying asf to deal with and there is almost no counterplay but there are many mons that can beat it consistently on a 1v1 like Hatterene and Gliscor, and being a tera hog limits it's viability since mono rock is very mediocre as a defensive type. But yea it's pretty good
Honestly H-Samurott Is really busted, but every time i use it i feel it a little too weak, a little too slow and a little frail lol. Flip Turn Is a cool addition to it's movepool, but i think it suffers a lot because of 4MSS, since you only have 3 slots to work: it wants Knock Off, pivoting in Flip Turn, Water stab in Aqua Cutter/Razor Shell, priority in Sucker Punch/Aqua Jet and coverage in the form of Sacred Sword