SM Cores (Starters in Bold + potential subs):
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Let’s get straight into it.
Congregation of the Classiest: DJ Breloominati♬, Piyu
Spitfire is a very solid SM player with consistent results, and this is clearly his comfort tier. He’s shown up well in Masters and other tours featuring SM OU. I’m honestly rooting for this slot—expecting some really good games. I’d say 5–6 wins is very doable. Support isn’t amazing, but he’s more than capable of prepping on his own.
Circus Maximus Tiger: Tace, Noname6293, Zaza
This slot is just fun to watch. Tace has a strong SM OU record, which shows in his tournament performances. This time around, he’s backed by rookie Noname and former SPL player Zaza. Zaza’s a known SM builder and a solid fallback option, while Noname is also quite competent in the tier. Overall, good support here—I’d expect Tace to finish positive.
Wi-Fi Wolfpack: Gondra, Bbeeaa, Sacri´
FREE MY GOAT BBEEAA. Gondra is basically an SPL regular at this point. He’s backed by Bbeeaa, who’s won SM Circuit and openly claims SM as his best tier—with results to back it up (great SM showings in OUPL). Gondra skipped the last SPL, and before that he was on ORAS OU, so I’m really excited to see what he brings to SM this season.
Dragonspiral Tyrants: Vert, Tenebricite, Baddy
This slot is… confusing, to say the least. Vert tier-locked himself out of SV OU and is now playing SM OU in SPL for the first time. That said, he did have a decent SM showing in Masters if I remember correctly. He’s supported by Tenebricite, a known SM mainer, and Baddy, who had an impressive Circuit run and made finals this year. Definitely an interesting slot to watch.
Indie Scooters: Drachenkeule, Ox the Fox
Drach had a great debut last time with the Sharks, going positive in a pretty tough pool at 8k. He also had strong support back then (Giannis, why ad, Star). This time, he’s on the Scooters with comparatively limited support, which could be an issue. Still excited to see how he adapts. Pais is available as a sub if needed.
Stark Sharks: DeeJ, Fdmw
DeeJ has been excellent in Masters for the past two years and finally finds himself on the Sharks. He’s a strong clicker and has tons of backing—Mind Gaming, Santu, Michael, and FDMW. Speaking of FDMW, he’s had great results across multiple OU tours with SM this year, all positive records. Hope he gets enough chances to really shine.
Team Raiders: Charmflash, Fc, Eternal Spirit
Charmflash had a rough last SPL (3–6), which probably explains the price drop from 12.5k to 3k. But people forget he once went 8–3 and is a very capable SM builder—even if some of his teams get a bit… experimental. With Fc and Eternal Spirit as support/sub options, this slot has more depth than it might seem.
Alpha Ruiners: Metallica, ChrisPBacon, Devin, PZZ
Easily my highest-rated slot. Metallica is insane, and the support here is just absurd—Chris, Devin, PZZ, Enzo, Ima, Empo and Nagol (who decked soulwind with freakin mantine). It’s stacked. I fully expect Metallica to farm this pool. Devin and PZZ are also very reliable subs if needed. Go Ruiners.
Ever Grande BIGS: GeniusX, Larry, Stareal
GeniusX has been consistently solid in SM OU over the years, and I don’t see that changing this SPL. Larry and Stareal are reliable backup options if the team needs flexibility.
Cryonicle: RobJr, C0mp, MGdos16, Luigi
Rob had a strong start last year but couldn’t end positive—clearly looking for redemption this time. He’s backed by C0mp (Masters winner), MGdos (SS/SV main but a strong SM player too), and Luigi as another sub option. This slot has more support than most teams outside of Ruiners, which could really help them edge ahead.
As always, this was done purely for fun (and to like-whore). None of this is meant to be personal—don’t take it to heart.
Biggest snub in this tier has to be Abele not getting drafted despite winning Circuit and having a great showing. Your time will come, brother. (Drink some water.)
Wishing everyone a great SPL season—looking forward to clean games and some exciting new team dynamics
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Finally, I understand the players' desire to innovate on big stages like the SPL, but bringing in random Pokémon isn't the way to go, especially when the Ruiners desperately needed to win this week. SM already has a stable meta; there's no need to reinvent the wheel, and sometimes the simplest approach works best.
Mega Manectric is an unviable mon and should stay in 2018. You got niche garbage doing more than a mon taking up an entire mega slot. Using it in SPL Stage represents mediocrity and bad prep.
You did not invent this Clefable set. It is called mannatclef and MANNAT came up with it.
I understand that people like to take credit for “inventing” sets, but making a claim like this when the set was invented by someone else is just strange lol.
You did not invent this Clefable set. It is called mannatclef and MANNAT came up with it.
I understand that people like to take credit for “inventing” sets, but making a claim like this when the set was invented by someone else is just strange lol.
I had a concussion trying to read thatYou did not invent this Clefable set. It is called mannatclef and MANNAT came up with it.
I understand that people like to take credit for “inventing” sets, but making a claim like this when the set was invented by someone else is just strange lol.
Ngl i think u might be wrong. My buddy zRyan74 came up with it then MANNAT stole the credit on sum coco type shiYou did not invent this Clefable set. It is called mannatclef and MANNAT came up with it.
I understand that people like to take credit for “inventing” sets, but making a claim like this when the set was invented by someone else is just strange lol.
Cus like in the plot of thst movie one of the old guys steals songs from the main characters abuelo and says they are his own. (On sum abele01 teamstealer type shi)Ngl i think u might be wrong. My buddy zRyan74 came up with it then MANNAT stole the credit on sum coco type shi
Nahh they stole it off me I was using that same Clefable set back in ORAS in 2016 in the 1300’sCus like in the plot of thst movie one of the old guys steals songs from the main characters abuelo and says they are his own. (On sum abele01 teamstealer type shi)

After all, what use is there in finding consistency when its all just a game of match-up fishing? Who cares about innovation, as long as I can win the game in front of me, what matters? Who needs to know nuances of the tier when its just big button beats smaller button? Why even bother with the meta at all?
As for this, I don't think I saw this clefable set in years in SMOU until Proftreez brought it to life in hazard stack structures. Encore seismic toss set is even a dpp uu set (so is really Mannat the creator), so whether it is Mannat or Proftreez that created the set is of no importance...Proftreez was the one who made it function in smou for the past year.You did not invent this Clefable set. It is called mannatclef and MANNAT came up with it.
I understand that people like to take credit for “inventing” sets, but making a claim like this when the set was invented by someone else is just strange lol.
I agree with this state of mind and understand how big of a pain prep is. But do you really think manectric mimikyu was a good fish? I can maybe "maybe" see the ups of manectric but both of them is just Charmflash trolling for the viewers. I mean most of his brings the past 2 spl were fishy and unorthodox with eject bulu or doublade but the logic of the team was still here and you can argue it just did not land. Here it is a new low we reached.as someone who has already experienced how ass it can be to prep in spl for this shitty bo1 format fishy brings are gonna end up happening, it just is what it is.
he showed me mannatclef in 2019 back when he blessed the community with grinding sm truly a pioneer in innovationYou did not invent this Clefable set. It is called mannatclef and MANNAT came up with it.
I understand that people like to take credit for “inventing” sets, but making a claim like this when the set was invented by someone else is just strange lol.
I am surprised that someone that did the analysis of Clefable in DPP UU in 2019 did not know that cosmic encore set already existed in….2009. Truly a pioneer in dpp OU maybe idk but did not invent the set ig :eyes:he showed me mannatclef in 2019 back when he blessed the community with grinding sm truly a pioneer in innovation
[SET]
name: Toxic Orb Abuse
move 1: Protect
move 2: Facade
move 3: Meteor Mash / Fire Blast
move 4: Softboiled / Wish
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Magic Guard
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This is one of the best options if you plan on leading with Clefable. On the first turn always Protect; it allows Toxic Orb to activate, keeps you from taking damage, and can help scout your opponent’s lead. Facade then becomes a 140 Base Power attack, capable of OHKOing a vast majority of the most common leads in UU. The choice between Meteor Mash and Fire Blast is...
It is crazy to me that you would still forget that the council you are a part of gave their opinion while it was active on the mons you advocate for a deban and it was not just Star’s or the old heads opinion. 3 of the mons cited were tested in smpl by active players. Metagross was clearly a bad choice since the pokemon can use all terrains (you said yourself it terrain is a huge constraint) to its advantage and warp the meta completely. Aegislash resulted in a meta even more offense/weather oriented than what we have rn with either another pokemon in psyspam or weather war and was deemed as an unfit choice to bring in the meta. As for Lando I giving us mons that can counter it is not a sign of such pokemon to be balanced, you introduce another threat to an already constrained meta. The counters you cite in Cresselia and latias are both highly punishable and if lando-I forces us to bring such mons everygame to just not get swamped (aka the only solution is a fat levitate) it would warp the meta into an unhealthy dynamic : countering lando i and then countering fat levitates leaving you unable to counter the rest. For pheromosa and zygarde yes I think you are trolling, a quiver dance monster and a glare bot that has no switch...they would not be just centralizing, it is quite visible.I found some comments here pretty amusing, especially the callout that I am trolling for the fans. As funny as that would be I am unfortunately trying my best. I'll lay down some thoughts on why I've been bringing what I have been bringing so far, and talk a bit about the current meta.
Offense is king. Aside from a few Toxapex builds it is very hard to bring balanced team structures in the current meta. People have started gravitating towards ridiculously strong breakers like Kyurem, ZardY etc. and the main way to not have to counter them is to simply bring your berry Magearna offense. Berry is better than AV vs. Psyshock Lele, Kyurem and generally more flexible vs things like Lucha or even Gliscor. This trend has resulted in anti-offense mons and techs to become more attractive as well. Considering GeniusX is very fond of offense I figured hed use it last week, however, he smartly subverted my expectations and brought a sturdier team which not only stylistically punished my overload on anti-offense, but due to his Seismitoad bring also matched particularly well into my primary strategy of luring in his ground-type (mainly expecting lando, maybe garchomp, worst case gliscor) with pdef invested manectric, or shuca koko, or beam pdef gear, and then proceeding to win the game with fast, terrain empowered volt switches. Now, why did I choose to autolose to Seismitoad? Because autolosing to something extremely common is not a choice in current SM, its a promise made 3000 years ago.
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The teambuilding constraints:
Toxic Spikes. Every team needs an answer to it but some people will argue Toxapex himself is actually the only viable absorber. I mean your next tier of poison mons is Amoonguss Nidoking and then what Scolipede? Fini can help, Taunt on Torn can help, stuff like Defog Gliscor exists. The teambuilding strain, however, does too, eating up a whole slot or at least a few dedicated moves.![]()
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Terrain being 1.5x yet so easily accessible in SM requires you to have answers to Psyspam, Volt Switch, and to a lesser extent Kartana/Serp in grassy. Things like Seismitoad need to be brought. Cresselia, berry Magearna.
Weather requires you to ideally have two dedicated fire/water resists, as well as generally disincentivizing passivity due to Manaphy and Heatran becoming near unstopable in their respective weather.
Spikes are omnipresent nowadays, Ferrothorn in particular seems to pick up a lot of usage. You basically need your entire team to be able to hit it or have some dedicated removal thats ideally immune to leech. Ridiculous requirement.
This mon requires a unique type of answer since it needs a flying resist that doesnt really mind Knock Off. It invalidates team structures using stuff like Steela, Skarmory, or even Bronzong as their flying resist.
You better bring a fairy! But thats easy right? Theres no way a good team couldnt fit a fai..
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SD Gliscor has fallen in popularity but don't worry because you still have to respect it in teambuilding on the off-chance he does show up. Need to play either offense or recover mon with ice move strong enough to kill it.
A variety of dangerous sweepers all requiring their own unique answer.
Ridiculous standalone breakers plague this tier, some more managable than others.
Bulky win conditions also each requiring their own answer.
And I am sure many more, which I couldnt think of on the spot.
Which brings us to the heart of the issue, namely that this tier is in need for some tiering action centralizing the metagame more around a few key threats & answers to them. However, the SM council is so dead that none of them are playing in SPL or even participating whatsoever. When I made my post about a Landorus-Incarnate test my dear teammate Star had privately told me that they do not wish to make a change that large in SM. Not that the mon would be too strong for the tier. No argument about it negatively affecting x or y. Just change = bad. Here's the screenshot. To me this complacency doesn't make a whole lot of sense, nor does it make a lot of sense for Star to decide the future of a tier he does not play. My thread later got locked by Star despite garnering a fair bit of interest from the general playerbase because it "failed to stay active". The fact that Lando-I is allowed to remain quickbanned despite Cresselia and Mega Latias being introduced to the tier at a later date is a disgrace. Either way, Lando-I is not the only mon that could get retested. Things like Mega-Metagross, Pheromosa, Zygarde, Aegislash are all good candidates for centralizing the meta more around themselves and counters to them. Unfortunately none of that will ever happen as long as the decission makers for this tier decide that change is bad because its change. The only way this could improve would be for the playerbase to demand better from them.
As far as unbans go, personally I think Lando-I would be the most reasonable re-introduction because its not only hard countered by the two mons I mentioned but also struggles with a lot of offense matchups, is weak to common moves like ice beam, knock off, scald, and terrible into Megazam since you die to sheer force psychic and then you are facing sheer force Megazam. I recommend going over some countermeasures I listed in my post here since most of it still holds true today. As for the other mons yes they would be metagame warping but thats the point. At the end of the day Zygarde existed in SM OU for a very long period of time without boasting an unreasonably high winrate. I dont know why you think it couldnt possibly be adapted to by the metagame. Pheromosa is honestly something I would personally keep banned but there have been shouts for it in the past so Ive included it as a potential option. Its not the most unreasonable suggestion.It is crazy to me that you would still forget that the council you are a part of gave their opinion while it was active on the mons you advocate for a deban and it was not just Star’s or the old heads opinion. 3 of the mons cited were tested in smpl by active players. Metagross was clearly a bad choice since the pokemon can use all terrains (you said yourself it terrain is a huge constraint) to its advantage and warp the meta completely. Aegislash resulted in a meta even more offense/weather oriented than what we have rn with either another pokemon in psyspam or weather war and was deemed as an unfit choice to bring in the meta. As for Lando I giving us mons that can counter it is not a sign of such pokemon to be balanced, you introduce another threat to an already constrained meta. The counters you site in Cresselia and latias are both highly punishable and if lando-I forces us to bring such mons everygame to just not get swamped (aka the only solution is a fat levitate) it would warp the meta into an unhealthy dynamic : countering lando i and then countering fat levitates leaving you unable to counter the rest. For pheromosa and zygarde yes I think you are trolling, a quiver dance monster and a glare bot that has no switch...they would not be just centralizing, it is quite visible.
I don’t think searching for a new pokemon to centralize the meta is a good solution because it will only lead to unhealthy interactions and crazy warping. We already have so much to cover. And also because players are good at finding structures that make such mons unbearable threats and just toxic to face. We already have examples of such behavior with old pokemons such as Dragonite seeing usage in offense as well as bulkier teams and becoming unforgiving to old structures. Removing obnoxious Pokemon that lack reliable counterplay and contribute nothing to the tier beyond functioning as a nuke button is far more reasonable. Manaphy is the clearest example. It’s one of the main reasons Latias balance barely exists: those teams already struggle into hyper offense and weather, and Manaphy pushes them over the edge. This forces awkward, unhealthy adaptations, like running Calm Mind + Thunder on Latias (and lose into the rest), or simply conceding the matchup altogether, since Manaphy reliably breaks past Pex or Ferrothorn and, in doing so, completely dismantles the team’s defensive backbone.
As one player opinions does not reflect all of the sm community, a survey will be lead at the end of SPL to gather opinions on the tier and potential suspects : Manaphy, Landorus I, Metagross or other wishes. Players concerned will be SPL ones with more than five games this season, circuit championship qualified players and circuit tours winners.
One thing I agree with you (well two) is how the council is out of date and would need new blood and actual people that are active in the tier. We asked if it was possible to refresh it but as long as no new changes are required or asked massively by the community, we got told it would be a waste of time. We will see how the survey unfolds and what is next for smou.
edit: I just want to add that gathering usage from all of 2025 main tournaments lead to realize how much of this tier need repair with overspammed teams and crazy winrate (the tours included are all of circuit, SPL, Masters, Wcup, OUPL and SMPL). Weather was never as strong as it is a way to counter Psyspam, fare well into other weathers and Hyper offense that sees a lot of usage all together, while Latias or Mawile teams completely disappeared (almost for latias but like it is sand) from the picture.
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