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Announcement SV National Dex Suspect #21 - Black Dog

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I just wanted to throw my thoughts in here as I hit rank 1 tonight using zamazenta crowned and also have done suspect, I personally think zamazenta-crowned Itself is relatively balanced in itself and I think this is the general concensus here but I havent read too much because I cba to read however, the problem lies within the fact that pursuit is in this tier, this makes the builder extremely restrictive in what you can get away with at the moment, reducing the diversity of the tier, I'm aware the tier is already relatively restrictive but adding another big threat which you have to prepare for in the builder makes it even worse. If you back zamazenta with a pursuitter and a strong defensive core, you are likely going to win your games in the longer term as your pursuit mons can constantly come in forcing 50s eventually wearing down the counter/hard check allowing zamazenta to prepare itself for a sweep, In my opinion, the only 100% counter to zama c is toxapex, who is not vulnerable to the main pursuiters and can reset zamazenta's boosts. This is all in theory and yes you can outplay the pursuitter and use offensive play but generally longer term this mon is gonna win the game.

After taking zamazenta crowned from 1600s to rank 1 in addition to sus reqs, I really enjoyed using the mon, It was fun however, I can't see the positives that this pokemon brings to the tier other then making gholds less threatening as they go for increased bulk over power and In my opinion the cons of zamazenta crowned being in the tier outweigh the positives. I dont think i've listed many of the cons but they are definitely in some of the posts above mine.

I will be voting do not unban personally, I wouldn't be completely upset at an unban though

lazy post but my brain is kinda fried after playing too much mons today. Will post teams used in bazaar too
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Also as a bit of a nitpick, where’s slowbro in the list of checks? Are you sure you didn’t miss any other checks?
uh woops, i could swear i had it tbh, anyw i added it


none of the Zama-C checks you listed other than Volc are really used on offense/HO;
This is just wrong, you have:
Offense
:Alomomola:, :Pecharunt:, :slowbro:, :Slowking-Galar:, :Gholdengo:, :Landorus-Therian:, :Zapdos:, :Volcarona:, :Corviknight:, :Hatterene:, :Tapu Lele:, :Iron Valiant:

HO
:Gholdengo:, :Landorus-Therian:, :Volcarona:, :Hatterene:, :Tapu Lele:, :Iron Valiant:
Yes, Offense and HO will be the most affected by far but its not like you have absolutely nothing for it.


Zama-C being unbanned will help to reduce the viability of more offensive teams, leading to a more balance heavy meta.
This is partially true but you also have to realize:
1. As a balance main I'd say it is in a pretty good spot rn imo, really no need for this guy to restrict offense/HO especially because, as annoying as HO can be in this position it (or offense at that) isn't the best archetype, the moon ban was already a big enough hit for those two imo, and although they're not in a bad spot by any means, I wouldn't say Offense/HO are in a position where they're unhealthy and need a big hit to tone them down.
2. This guy also restricts the balance builder a decent bit, mola will be worse, gking will see less spdef uses, clef now cant check it (on its own) too
3. Zama-c is also amazing on offense/HO
4. This unban would lead to more BO (since that's where it fits best), then more balance if anything, and BO is like already the best archetype rn so like it just seems a bit stupid to possibly push the best teamstyle over the edge for the sake of (slightly) limiting others that just aren't even unhealthy in the first place.
 
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Not all votes are in, but no further votes can alter the result.

Eligible Voters: 90
Votes: 61

:sv/zamazenta-crowned:

Zamazenta-C
Unban: 15
Do Not Unban: 46
Do Not Unban % = 75.41%

50 +1% pro-unban majority is required for an unban, and this threshold can no longer be reached. Therefore, Zamazenta-C will remain banned in SV National Dex OU. Tagging Marty and dhelmise to re-ban it on PS, thank you!

Thank you to all who have voted, DM me with links to your votes if you qualify for Tiering Contributor off of this!

Votes will be public at this page in ~36 hours: https://www.smogon.com/tools/suspects/view/182
 
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