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Matchups:

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Wi-Fi Wolfpack (8) vs (4) Alpha Ruiners

SV OU: Sacri' vs sunsets
SV OU: bbeeaa vs fakenagol
SV OU: Let's Rumble Shall We vs ACR1
SV OU: Fogbound Lake vs sire clod
SS OU: Gtcha vs Metallica126
SM OU: violet river vs ChrisPBacon
ORAS OU: kingofking vs devin
BW OU: Monai vs Fakes
DPP OU: Void vs Dababy2
ADV OU: mielke vs JabbaTheGriffin
GSC OU: coco vs pj
RBY OU: Isza vs SaDiSTiCNarwhal

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Team Raiders (7) vs (5) Indie Scooters

SV OU: tier vs waffle04
SV OU: JJ09LIE vs DAHLI
SV OU: zS vs Pais
SV OU: Ash KetchumGamer vs heileone
SS OU: Fc vs 1 True Lycan
SM OU: Eternal Spirit vs Drachenkeule
ORAS OU: Ruffles vs BluBirD
BW OU: Star vs Ox the Fox
DPP OU: Skyrio vs SFG
ADV OU: Endill vs Triangles
GSC OU: Vileman vs elodin
RBY OU: BeeOrSomething vs nicole7735

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Cryonicles (9) vs (3) Congregation of the Classiest

SV OU: bhkg vs Garay oak
SV OU: clean vs LB
SV OU: Dugtrio Is Broken vs Xrn
SV OU: kDCA vs LpZ
SS OU: Corazan vs London Beats
SM OU: c0mp vs Piyu
ORAS OU: MGdos16 vs Spitfire
BW OU: GaryTheGengar vs Dark Eeveon
DPP OU: Gilbert arenas vs Sheik :
ADV OU: robjr vs M Dragon
GSC OU: Zokuru vs Groudon
RBY OU: Sceptross vs Ctown6

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Stark Sharks (5) vs (7) Circus Maximus Tigers

SV OU: Attribute vs Patatexv
SV OU: Nat vs Cow
SV OU: hellom vs Ewin
SV OU: Plague vs LOOR
SS OU: MichaelderBeste2 vs Zaza
SM OU: DeeJ vs Tace
ORAS OU: Santu vs NoName6293
BW OU: harshest vs Finchinator
DPP OU: Marshall.Law vs Pideous
ADV OU: Kollin7 vs pixie909
GSC OU: Malekith vs Rubyblood
RBY OU: GirlsSeeGhosts vs Laroxyl

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Ever Grande BIGS (7) vs (5) Dragonspiral Tyrants

SV OU: Mako vs Axzel
SV OU: Setsu vs Fusien
SV OU: Hiko vs myjava
SV OU: Stareal vs Baddy
SS OU: Mattz_ vs Ikaishi
SM OU: GeniusX vs Vert
ORAS OU: xray vs Poek
BW OU: JustFranco vs SoulWind
DPP OU: 199 vs BlazingDark
ADV OU: Zpanther vs Shitrock enjoyer
GSC OU: OmBrArch vs RealJester
RBY OU: Serpi vs LNumbers


Deadline will be March 8, 11:00 PM GMT -5.

Wi-Fi Wolfpack (0) vs (0) Alpha Ruiners
SV OU: Sacri' vs sunsets
SV OU: bbeeaa vs fakenagol
SV OU: Let's Rumble Shall We vs ACR1
SV OU: Fogbound Lake vs sire clod
SS OU: Gtcha vs Metallica126
SM OU: Gondra vs ChrisPBacon
ORAS OU: kingofking vs devin
BW OU: Monai vs Fakes
DPP OU: Void vs Dababy2
ADV OU: mielke vs JabbaTheGriffin
GSC OU: coco vs pj
RBY OU: Isza vs SaDiSTiCNarwhal

Team Raiders (0) vs (0) Indie Scooters
SV OU: tier vs Storm Zone
SV OU: JJ09LIE vs DAHLI
SV OU: zS vs Pais
SV OU: Ash KetchumGamer vs heileone
SS OU: Fc vs 1 True Lycan
SM OU: Eternal Spirit vs Drachenkeule
ORAS OU: Ruffles vs BluBirD
BW OU: Star vs tko
DPP OU: Skyrio vs SFG
ADV OU: Endill vs Triangles
GSC OU: Vileman vs elodin
RBY OU: BeeOrSomething vs nicole7735

Cryonicles (0) vs (0) Congregation of the Classiest
SV OU: bhkg vs Garay oak
SV OU: clean vs LB
SV OU: Dugtrio Is Broken vs Xrn
SV OU: kDCA vs LpZ
SS OU: Corazan vs damien the genius
SM OU: c0mp vs Piyu
ORAS OU: MGdos16 vs Spitfire
BW OU: GaryTheGengar vs Dark Eeveon
DPP OU: Gilbert arenas vs Sheik :
ADV OU: robjr vs M Dragon
GSC OU: Zokuru vs Groudon
RBY OU: Sceptross vs Ctown6

Stark Sharks (0) vs (0) Circus Maximus Tigers
SV OU: Attribute vs Patatexv
SV OU: Nat vs Cow
SV OU: hellom vs Ewin
SV OU: Plague vs LOOR
SS OU: MichaelderBeste2 vs Zaza
SM OU: DeeJ vs Tace
ORAS OU: Santu vs NoName6293
BW OU: harshest vs Finchinator
DPP OU: Marshall.Law vs Pideous
ADV OU: Kollin7 vs pixie909
GSC OU: Malekith vs Rubyblood
RBY OU: GirlsSeeGhosts vs Laroxyl

Ever Grande BIGS (0) vs (0) Dragonspiral Tyrants
SV OU: Mako vs Axzel
SV OU: Setsu vs Fusien
SV OU: Hiko vs myjava
SV OU: Stareal vs Baddy
SS OU: Mattz_ vs Ikaishi
SM OU: GeniusX vs Vert
ORAS OU: xray vs Poek
BW OU: JustFranco vs SoulWind
DPP OU: 199 vs BlazingDark
ADV OU: Zpanther vs shitrock enjoyer
GSC OU: OmBrArch vs RealJester
RBY OU: Serpi vs LNumbers
 
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Wi-Fi Wolfpack (9) vs (3) Alpha Ruiners
SV OU: Sacri' vs sunsets
SV OU: bbeeaa vs fakenagol
SV OU: Let's Rumble Shall We vs ACR1
SV OU: Fogbound Lake vs sire clod
SS OU: Gtcha vs Metallica126
SM OU: Gondra vs ChrisPBacon
ORAS OU: kingofking vs devin
BW OU: Monai vs Fakes
DPP OU: Void vs Dababy2
ADV OU: mielke vs JabbaTheGriffin
GSC OU: coco vs pj
RBY OU: Isza vs SaDiSTiCNarwhal

Team Raiders (4) vs (8) Indie Scooters
SV OU: tier vs Storm Zone
SV OU: JJ09LIE vs DAHLI
SV OU: zS vs Pais
SV OU: Ash KetchumGamer vs heileone
SS OU: Fc vs 1 True Lycan
SM OU: Eternal Spirit vs Drachenkeule
ORAS OU: Ruffles vs BluBirD
BW OU: Star vs tko
DPP OU: Skyrio vs SFG
ADV OU: Endill vs Triangles
GSC OU: Vileman vs elodin
RBY OU: BeeOrSomething vs nicole7735

Cryonicles (5) vs (7) Congregation of the Classiest
SV OU: bhkg vs Garay oak
SV OU: clean vs LB
SV OU: Dugtrio Is Broken vs Xrn
SV OU: kDCA vs LpZ
SS OU: Corazan vs damien the genius
SM OU: c0mp vs Piyu
ORAS OU: MGdos16 vs Spitfire
BW OU: GaryTheGengar vs Dark Eeveon
DPP OU: Gilbert arenas vs Sheik :
ADV OU: robjr vs M Dragon
GSC OU: Zokuru vs Groudon
RBY OU: Sceptross vs Ctown6

Stark Sharks (6) vs (6) Circus Maximus Tigers
SV OU: Attribute vs Patatexv
SV OU: Nat vs Cow
SV OU: hellom vs Ewin
SV OU: Plague vs LOOR
SS OU: MichaelderBeste2 vs Zaza
SM OU: DeeJ vs Tace
ORAS OU: Santu vs NoName6293
BW OU: harshest vs Finchinator
DPP OU: Marshall.Law vs Pideous
ADV OU: Kollin7 vs pixie909
GSC OU: Malekith vs Rubyblood
RBY OU: GirlsSeeGhosts vs Laroxyl

Ever Grande BIGS (3) vs (9) Dragonspiral Tyrants
SV OU: Mako vs Axzel
SV OU: Setsu vs Fusien
SV OU: Hiko vs myjava
SV OU: Stareal vs Baddy
SS OU: Mattz_ vs Ikaishi
SM OU: GeniusX vs Vert
ORAS OU: xray vs Poek
BW OU: JustFranco vs SoulWind
DPP OU: 199 vs BlazingDark
ADV OU: Zpanther vs shitrock enjoyer
GSC OU: OmBrArch vs RealJester
RBY OU: Serpi vs LNumbers
 

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Wi-Fi Wolfpack (0) vs (0) Alpha Ruiners

SV OU: @Sacri' vs @sunsets
SV OU: @bbeeaa vs @fakenagol
SV OU: @Let's Rumble Shall We vs @ACR1
SV OU: @Fogbound Lake vs @sire clod
SS OU: @Gtcha vs @Metallica126
SM OU: @Gondra vs @ChrisPBacon
ORAS OU: @kingofking vs @devin
BW OU: @Monai vs @Fakes
DPP OU: @Void vs @Dababy2
ADV OU: @mielke vs @JabbaTheGriffin
GSC OU: @coco vs @pj
RBY OU: @Isza vs @SaDiSTiCNarwhal
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The award race:​


MVP:
I'd be curious on what people would put if this was "best player this year." It's true that ultimately teams need wins more than they need dominance (if you're a manager and you're choosing between a slot that haxes their way to 9-0 and a slot that dominates their way to 7-2, the latter is more promising for projecting the future, but the former is pretty important for getting you to the playoffs in the first place. I'll defer to others on who's been the most dominant player so far, and whether anyone with 5 or fewer wins have been good enough to counterbalance the lead in wins that others have. Also, teambuilding plays a massive role in deciding who's actually been the most valuable player so far, and I doubt anyone has the knowledge to factor that in for every team beyond guesswork right now.

But how do you distinguish between the players tied with the best record? I'll offer a few possibilities:

- Strength of schedule: some paths are harder than others, some pools are harder than others. This is most variable with current-gen OU, but it affects every pool. Something potentially interesting is that only one player has beaten the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd seeds in their pools, that being Nat (who's beaten lax, bbeeaa, and Fusien). There are two players who've beaten the top 2 players in their pool, those being c0mp (after being switched into SM), Dark Eeveon, Pideous, and SFG, with Mattz_ beating the top two players in SS besides himself. But at the same time, how much weight should be placed on preseason PRs? Should bbeeaa still be treated as the 2nd-best SV player like the PRs predicted?
- another strength of schedule metric we could try would be "combined auction price of opponents defeated." That would give us a ranking of RealJester (88k), Stareal (79.5k), Nat (78k), DAHLI (74.5k), OmBrArch (74k), Pideous (73k), Ikaishi (66k), zS (65k), xray (62k), and elodin (59.5k), if I'm eyeballing it right. Hard to present anyone 4-3 or worse as an MVP candidate, but I feel like RealJester, Nat, Pideous, Ikaishi, and zS is a pretty plausible top 5?
- Points added: if we're willing to make a context-dependent stat, we can look at how many points players won and lost their teams for that week just via their own wins. Like, if a player wins in a week where their team went 6-6 or 7-5, a loss would have cost their team a point. By that metric, our leaderboard goes RealJester (net 5 points added), ACR1 (net 4 points added), bhkg (net 4 points added), and a bunch of players with net 3 points added. Whether this is a not-garbage metric kind of depends on whether you philosophically think that a stat so dependent on team context is acceptable, because it really does boil down to "who's won a lot for teams that have had a bunch of close weeks."

Most Improved Player:
Just in terms of record, the leaderboard is as follows: Pideous (3-6 -> 6-1), ACR1 (0-5 -> 4-2), Skyrio (3-6 -> 5-2), entrocefalo (0-5 -> 4-3), GaryTheGengar (2-7 -> 4-3). They're all +6 or better, 199's next at +5 (with their 1-5 season happening way back in 2015!!) along with RealJester. It's possible I missed someone, but yeah, obvious answer is Pideous, i think. Fusien's just outside of the top 5, for what it's worth. ACR1's the biggest climber since the last time I checked in for this leaderboard, having won four straight.

Rookie of the Year:
Johnald's 6-1, Ikaishi and Sheik are 5-2, I think everyone else with 5 wins or better's ineligible. pixie909's at 4-1 as well. This one specifies best player rather than Most Valuable, though, so I think there's even more room for subjective judgments on how each player's performed. For what it's worth, I have mixed feelings on whether SCL and WCOP games should make you ineligible for this award. I think it'd make sense to me if Plague, kDCA, and DeeJ were eligible here. On the other hand, it'd feel strange if Vert (he with three individual tournament finals) would win a Rookie of the Year award. Status quo's probably fine.

13th man:
I'm kind of not sure, conceptually, about this award. Because like, yeah, pixie909's come off the bench, but this isn't basketball, "bench" for SPL means "not playing." So as far as the public can judge, I guess pixie909, Sacri, and coco work, in terms of players who didn't start week 1? But really, I feel like the spirit of this rule is more "who have been the most valuable contributors from the bench," which has way more to do with team support and scouting and I just don't know if anyone can answer this without direct insight from each team's cord.

Other musings:
- My preseason playoff predicts were Sharks, Tyrants, Raiders, and Wolfpack (with the latter two and the BIGs being pretty close together in my mind). I did not think the Ruiners, Cryos, or Scooters had much of a shot, and I rounded down on the Tigers for "will half the team crash out before the season's done" reasons. So...mixed bag for me LOL (even if I still have a decent shot at getting 3/4 playoff teams right)
 
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