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Why Mew deserves a suspect test

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mackie

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I know my question in Simple Questions Simple Answers went unanswered, however I want to post this anyway because I've been contemplating this and I feel like my reasoning is sound:

If Mew were to be dropped into DPP OU, would he be the best Pokemon in DPP OU?

In order to answer this question I decided to compare him to what is considered to be the best Pokemon in the tier currently:

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My main argument is that Jirachi is better than Mew mainly due to his secondary Steel typing as well as a better ability. Resistances to Dragon and Steel are crucial to Jirachi's success, and a neutrailty to Crunch and U-turn are helpful as well. Last but not least Serene Grace Iron Head + Body Slam is his bread-and-butter and what allows Jirachi to break through unprepared teams. Hax is many people's argument as to why Jirachi himself should be banned - Mew just cannot replicate hax potential in the same way that Jirachi can. In my opinion Mew wouldn't have a chance at cracking the Big Three, and lower ranked mons have desirable attributes over him as well in terms of typing and stats which would give them a seat on a team over Mew in a lot of situations - for example Gyarados, Heatran, and Flygon would be nipping at Mew's heels.

Mew has access to stronger stat boosting moves however we know that these boosts aren't enough to make a Pokemon "good", they also need typing and stats to back it up (100 / 100 offensive stats are good but not great for a sweeper). STAB Psychic also isn't very good, and pure Psychics have never ranked high in DPP viability rankings. The highest ranking pure Psychic is Azelf, who is mainly there for his lead sets. In my opinion even NP Azelf outclasses NP Mew and even that sees little usage (Azelf has higher SpAtk and Speed, while Mew has more bulk and Aura Sphere, though Azelf can getaway with running HP Fighting). Mew definitlely wouidn't be the most dangerous sweeper in OU (SD Lucario + DDNite + DDos + DD Tar + Agiligross all give his SD or RP sets a run for their money), though a boosted Sucker Punch or Explosion is kinda cool. In my opinion even Latias is better than Mew primarily since she has better stats as well as a secondary Dragon typing which makes her super gluable on a lot of teams... Even Celebi, a similar sprite Pokemon, benefits from a secondary Grass typing and better ability which helps differentiate her from Mew.

Obviously what would make Mew dangerous is his extremely wide movepool which would make him unpredictable, though once again Jirachi, Tyranitar, and Latias have the capability to be unpredicatable as well. For example, switching into a Wisp or Explosion or obscure coverage move when not expecting it. A strong set off the top of my head would be like: Taunt + WoW + Softboiled + Super Fang... Transform or Torment could also potentially be interesting but I feel like it would be pretty niche overall.

Off the top of my head Mew wouldn't like Scarf Tyranitar or Gengar and would struggle with walls once its set is known (Blissey walls NP sets, however I think SD Explosion Mew could find a place on HO), also paralyzing him would signficantly nerf Mew on top of all of this. A big perk though is that WishTect Jirachi can have its para reflected back on it thanks to Mew's ability. In a way Mew can make the metagame healthier by paralyzing Jirachis who are trying to paralyze him (so he minorly reduces Jirachi's impact on the tier). So the best way to paralyze Mew would be through Natural Cure users like Starmie, Celebi, or Blissey (or Clefable since it doesn't mind para). Also lets not forget that Mew isn't immune to Toxic Spikes which can ruin bulkier sets and can also help Jirachi Iron Head flinch it down faster. Other bulky Psychics like Latias and Cresselia have Levitate so they don't need to worry about Toxic Spikes. Also, ironically, Mew doesn't learn Healing Wish or Lunar Dance despite its wide movepool, so Latias and Cresselia have that over him as well.

I predict dropping Mew into OU would see an initial big surge of usage in the spritemon, however over time he would drop to being just an averagely used mon sorta like Empoleon or Magnezone.

I feel like Mew was initially banned primarily due to Baton Pass. However since we currently cannot pass stat boosts in DPP OU this significantly weakens the argument for Mew being Uber.

Anyone want to offer input on this?

Edit - I also recommend reading my posts with dark mode on
 
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" If Mew doesn't overtake the #1 position, he's OU right ? " ... If Deoxys-Defense doesn't overtake the #1 position, he's OU right ? Same thing for Machamp then ? Or Wobbuffet ? This just doesn't make any sense. You should ask yourself if Mew is going to be HEALTHY for this metagame.

Hax is many people's argument as to why Jirachi himself should be banned - Mew just cannot replicate hax potential in the same way that Jirachi can.
So for you just because Mew cannot parahax it's gonna be fine ? So let's unban Deoxys-Speed since same as Mew it's not gonna be paraflinching everything in the tier. Ofc Mew cannot replicate that, Mew doesn't have Serene Grace; this is an irrelevant arguement.

(100 / 100 offensive stats are good but not great for a sweeper)
Gliscor, Infernape and Kingdra are crying rn ...

The highest ranking pure Psychic is Azelf, who is mainly there for his lead sets.
Yeah cause thingy has no bulk.

In my opinion even NP Azelf outclasses NP Mew and even that sees little usage (Azelf has higher SpAtk and Speed, while Mew has more bulk and Aura Sphere, though Azelf can getaway with running HP Fighting).
HP Fighting means that you lose 1 speed IV btw so Starmie is faster, ties with Scarf Zone + as I said above Azelf has no bulk compared to Mew so it's Scarf Tar food + prios food and just Scarfers food overall thagt's why NP Azelf is a bad set. NP Mew is for sure gonna be better thx to its bulk and options.

Mew definitlely wouidn't be the most dangerous sweeper in OU (SD Lucario + DDNite + DDos + DD Tar + Agiligross all give his SD or RP sets a run for their money), though a boosted Sucker Punch or Explosion is kinda cool.
Yes but we need this in DPP OU ? You already cited 5 setup sweepers that every DPP OU teams need to check. And as you said Mew has access to Sucker and Explosion so Rotom / Lati can't really rk it on paper and then it explode and force a double on anything. It doesn't seem balanced imo esp the second one.

In my opinion even Latias is better than Mew primarily since she has better stats as well as a secondary Dragon typing which makes her super gluable on a lot of teams... Even Celebi, a similar sprite Pokemon, benefits from a secondary Grass typing and better ability which helps differentiate her from Mew.
If you think so sure np about that but they don't have Mew's versatility, you usually know what is going to happen when you face them. Mew ? Well maybe when it will be stable i.e. after months and months of trying Mew's options to determine the best sets.

Obviously what would make Mew dangerous is his extremely wide movepool which would make him unpredictable, though once again Jirachi, Tyranitar, and Latias have the capability to be unpredicatable as well.
Jirachi outside of like CM Sets is always running physical moveset ( mostly IHead BSlam/TWave Fire Punch/filler filler ). I don't call this undpredictable.
What's the role of TTar in this tier ? Imo it's here to trap every annoying stuff like Lati / Gengar / Celebi / Starmie etc. The most consistent set rn esp since Sleep ban and Loom nerf is CB which is always running Crunch Pursuit Superpower Stone Edge; how to make it unpredictable then ? Running like a Mixed set with like Ice Beam HP Grass etc ? So it's not able anymore to trap ? Why are we using Tar then when we are not using what makes it good ? ( DD Tar is a exception since it's a setup sweeper ). I mean sure we can always do anything on any mon but it's not gonna consistent right ?
I don't think Latias is unpredictable but I agree that it is versatile.

Mew has lit access to :
PHYSICAL MOVES : Sucker, EQ, elemental punches, U-Turn, Low Kick, Stone Edge, Superpower, EXPLOSION, Shadow Claw, Outrage, Aqua Tail, Gunk Shot etc etc
SPECIAL MOVES : Aurasphere, Dark / Dragon Pulse, EPower, FlameT, Fire Blast, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Ice Beam, SBall, Surf, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Vaccum Wave, Charge Beam,, Icy Wind etc etc
STATUS MOVES : Bulk Up, CM, HBell, Rock Polish, NP, SD, Roost, Soft-Boiled, Roar, Taunt, WoW, TWave, TRoom, Snatch, Skill Swap, Torment, Block etc etc

Mew is lit the DEFINITION of VERSATILITY. We DO NOT need this in DPP OU.

Mew wouldn't like Scarf Tyranitar or Gengar and would struggle with walls once its set is known (Blissey walls NP sets, [...] also paralyzing him would signficantly nerf Mew on top of all of this
They don't OHKO ( unless Gar is LO ). Blissey isn't on every team + needs Toxic / TWave and to switch out once after TWave to be faster because of Mew ability and what is it going to do ? Stoss ? To get 2HKO by +6 Mew ? Bliss has to switch out and you need a Tar / Zor to kill it.
Synchronize means that you can't Toxic it without getting poisoned yourself, same as TWave so unless you're faster you are never going to outspeed it + you too will suffer from yellow magic unless your name is Clef ( no para but still slower ) Blissey / Celebi ( they can't 1v1 it esp Cele, Roost / Taunt Mew lit 1v1 them, they need Tar / Zor / Rachi support ).

A big perk though is that WishTect Jirachi can have its para reflected back on it thanks to Mew's ability. In a way Mew can make the metagame healthier by paralyzing Jirachis who are trying to paralyze him (so he minorly reduces Jirachi's impact on the tier).
Yes I agree with this but why now ? With Sleep being banned we saw Ground types resurgence and Jirachi falling in the usage stats and same for Loom ( maybe they will comeback in the future but for now this is not the case ). Imo, if we wanted to suspect / unban Mew we should have do it before this. Doing it now it doesn't make sense to me esp since the meta is redeveloping itself.

EDIT : HOW DID I FORGET THIS ??? SUBPASS WITH 101 HP + MEW HAS ACCESS TO TAUNT SO CANNOT BE PHAZED OUT

TL;DR : yeah sure let's suspect a mon that is LITERALLY the definition of versatility, it's not like we already have 187876678 things to counter / check in this tier ( no. ). It is too much versatile, too fast, too bulky. Its typing being shit is the only thing that explains why it is in a suspect test conv xd.
 
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They don't OHKO ( unless Gar is LO ). Blissey isn't on every team + needs Toxic / TWave and to switch out once after TWave to be faster because of Mew ability and what is it going to do ? Stoss ? To get 2HKO by +6 Mew ? Bliss has to switch out and you need a Tar / Zor to kill it.
Synchronize means that you can't Toxic it without getting poisoned yourself, same as TWave so unless you're faster you are never going to outspeed it + you too will suffer from yellow magic unless your name is Clef ( no para but still slower ) Blissey / Celebi ( they can't 1v1 it esp Cele, Roost / Taunt Mew lit 1v1 them, they need Tar / Zor / Rachi support ).

Scarf Scizor U-turn to Scarf Tyranitar would be a good combo if we know Mew is offensive and not carrying WoW... but once again we don't need to guarantee an OHKO off the bat with like a Gengar since Mew is vulnerable to all entry hazards (a switch in to SR + a Spikes layer should be enough i think). Sub LO Gengar vs Mew would be a lot of fun (predicting Sucker Punch with Sub and then Shadow Balling for the KO).

Another good strat would be to just hide your Scarf Tar for late game to pick off mew once he is a bit weakened. Also once again we can easily paralyze or Toxic mew through Natural Cure users or entry hazards to work around his ability. Once Mew is paralyzed CB Tyranitar and CB Scizor would have a field day with it.

Otherwise thanks for the input.

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Jirachi outside of like CM Sets is always running physical moveset ( mostly IHead BSlam/TWave Fire Punch/filler filler ). I don't call this undpredictable
also want to say that Jirachi is way more versatile than just CM + physical.... he can run Sub, Thunder, go mixed, even run like Grass Knot or Draco Meteor or even Refresh or Healing Wish. Jirachi is number one in the tier thanks to his typing, stats, Serene Grace, and ability to run like eight viable sets that can justify him a spot on most teams. Most teams are just better with Jirachi/Tyranitar/Latias on it.

Is Mew as splashable on most teams as the Big Three is? Not sure but leaning towards no.

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Its typing being shit is the only thing that explains why it is in a suspect test conv xd.
lmao
 
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Mew isn't getting suspect tested, the impact it would have on the tier would mostly be negative and it'd be too centralizing even if it wasn't literally the best pokemon in terms of viability. Also people just don't seem interested in suspect testing it so, locking and archiving this.
 
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