Metagame SV UU Metagame Discussion - The Indigo Disk

It's been a while, but I wanted to comment on the projected shifts that are projected to affect UU:
UU to OU
:Ogerpon:
Ogerpon's departure would sting a little for UU, but would not be seismic. 110 speed is very good in the tier, being able to outpace the likes of Keldeo and speed tying with Latios. It's a very good pivot and revenge killer, as after Tera, it can outspeed Greninja and booster energy mons such as Iron Jugulis and Sandy Shocks, while also having utility moves such as Encore to annoy setup sweepers such as Calm Mind Latios and Spikes to further support its team. Ogerpon also has a fantastic Choice Band set, which is great for its raw power. If Ogerpon were to rise, I think other pivots such as Zapdos-Galar would increase in popularity, and mons such as Greninja and Keldeo would become better as they don't fear Ogerpon revenge killing them.
:Excadrill:
If Excadrill were to rise, it would drastically change the tier. Excadrill is one of UU's two Rapid Spinners, and it is the only one that is fast. It naturally fits on many teams as a glue mon that can provide Rapid Spin and Stealth Rocks, which are vital in team support. Without Excadrill, players might resort to using Cyclizar as their Rapid Spinner of choice, as it is much faster than Donphan, UU's other rapid spin user. Pokemon such as Tinkaton, Rotom-W become much better, as Excadrill is no longer around to threaten them with boosted attacks. Teams are going to have to innovate, and the meta will be drastically different.
:Hydrapple:
A rise that I don't really know how to feel about. Hydrapple serves as a great wincon with its Nasty Plot set, being able set up on mons such as Rotom-W, Sandy Shocks, and Slowking. It also serves as a check to Metagross, non-Icy Wind Keldeo, and the outgoing Excadrill. Its departure would greatly benefit the aforementioned Rotom-W and Shocks, as they can threaten more in the tier. Hydrapple leaving would change UU, but I think UU can manage.
OU to UU:
:Heatran:
Heatran's return spells doom for contact Pokemon. Pivots such as Lokix, Scizor, and Zapdos-Galar all have to think twice about using U-turn, or else they risk suffering from a Flame Body burn. Heatran would also serve as UU's offensive Fire type, being a mon that you have to account for at all times in the builder. Heatran would be very good in UU, especially without Tornadus to regenerate the damage it might inflict.
RUBL to UU:
:Hydreigon:
Hydreigon is pretty good in UU. While it competes with its future counterpart in Iron Jugulis as an offensive Dark-type mon, Hydreigon can run Nasty Plot or Specs sets that are extremely difficult to answer. With Tera and levitate Nasty Plot sets are extremely difficult to take down, and can tear through your team if unprepared, while Choice Specs sets have a high degree of immediate power that can greatly wear down a team.
:Mamoswine:
Mamoswine is alright in UU. While it faces competition from Weavile, having a Ground-type is nice as you get STAB Earthquake, which can be used to defeat some mons that Weavile struggles to defeat, such as Cobalion and Tinkaton. Answers such as Skarm lose to flinches from Icicle Crash, and Trailblaze sets can be extremely dangerous.
RU to UU:
:talonflame:
Idk why this is rising. While it supposedly serves as a check to Excadrill and is a defogger, it is currently unranked on the UU viability rankings. It also has bad matchups against the likes of Rotom-Wash and Sandy Shocks, two Pokemon that are only going to get better as their checks are projected to rise to OU. While it can pivot against those threats, it cannot switch into much with Excadrill also predicted to rise into OU.
Edit: This was used on a stall team that topped the ladder, which substancially increased it's usage.
:Blissey:
I think Blissey is projected to rise because Stall is very good on the UU ladder. Blissey is the special sponge of stall teams. If it does rise to UU, Blissey would just be another piece on stall teams, not really fitting on other teams due to its passivity.
:Mew:
Mew is UU's designated HO lead, being able to use taunt to shut down other hazard leads while setting up its own hazards. If Mew rises, it will primarily fit as an HO lead.
I think Water-types such as Slowking and Rotom-W would benefit the most from the shifts, having many of their answers leave the tier.
 
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It's been a while, but I wanted to comment on the projected shifts that are projected to affect UU:
UU to OU
:Ogerpon:
Ogerpon's departure would sting a little for UU, but would not be seismic. 110 speed is very good in the tier, being able to outpace the likes of Keldeo and speed tying with Latios. It's a very good pivot and revenge killer, as after Tera, it can outspeed Greninja, and booster energy mons such as Iron Jugulis and Sandy Shocks, while also having utility moves such as Encore to annoy setup sweepers such as Calm Mind Latios and Spikes to further support its team. Ogerpon also has a fantastic Choice Band set, which is great for its raw power. If Ogerpon were to rise, I think other pivots such as Zapdos-Galar would increase in popularity, and mons such as Greninja and Keldeo would become better as they don't fear Ogerpon revenge killing them.
:Excadrill:
If Excadrill were to rise, it would drastically change the tier. Excadrill is one of UU's two Rapid Spinners, and it is the only one that is fast. It naturally fits on many teams as a glue mon that can provide Rapid Spin and Stealth Rocks, which are vital in team support. Without Excadrill, players might resort to using Cyclizar as their Rapid Spinner of choice, as it is much faster than Donphan, UU's other rapid spin user. Pokemon such as Tinkaton, Rotom-W become much better, as Excadrill is no longer around to threaten them with boosted attacks. Teams are going to have to innovate, and the meta will be drastically different.
:Hydrapple:
A rise that I don't really know how to feel about. Hydrapple serves as a great wincon with its Nasty Plot set, being able set up on mons such as Rotom-W and Sandy Shocks, and Slowking. It also serves as a check to Metagross, non-Icy Wind Keldeo, and the outgoing Excadrill. Its departure would greatly benefit the aforementioned Rotom-W and Shocks, as they can threaten more in the tier. Hydrapple leaving would change UU, but I think UU can manage.
OU to UU:
:Heatran:
Heatran's return spells doom for contact Pokemon. Pivots such as Lokix, Scizor, and Zapdos-Galar all have to think twice about using U-turn, or else they risk suffering from a Flame Body burn. Heatran would also serve as UU's offensive Fire type, being a mon that you have to account for at all times in the builder. Heatran would be very good in UU, especially without Tornadus to regenerate the damage it might inflict.
RUBL to UU:
:Hydreigon:
Hydreigon is pretty good in UU. While it competes with its future counterpart in Iron Jugulis as an offensive Dark-type mon, Hydreigon can run Nasty Plot or Specs sets that are extremely difficult to answer. With Tera and levitate Nasty Plot sets are extremely difficult to take down, and can tear through your team if unprepared, while Choice Specs sets have a high degree of immediate power that can greatly wear down a team.
:Mamoswine:
Mamoswine is alright in UU. While it faces competition from Weavile, having a Ground-type is nice as you get STAB Earthquake, which can be used to defeat some mons that Weavile easily defeats, such as Cobalion and Tinkaton. Answers such as Skarm lose to flinches from Icicle Crash, and Trailblaze sets can be extremely dangerous.
RU to UU:
:talonflame:
Idk why this is rising. While it supposedly serves as a check to Excadrill and is a defogger, it is currently unranked on the UU viability rankings. It also has bad matchups against the likes of Rotom-Wash and Sandy Shocks, two Pokemon that are only going to get better as their checks are projected to rise to OU. While it can pivot against those threats, it cannot switch into much with Excadrill also predicted to rise into OU.
:Blissey:
I think Blissey is projected to rise because Stall is very good on the UU ladder. Blissey is the special sponge of stall teams. If it does rise to UU, Blissey would just be another piece on stall teams, not really fitting on other teams due to its passivity.
:Mew:
Mew is UU's designated HO lead, being able to use taunt to shut down other hazard leads while setting up its own hazards. If Mew rises, it will primarily fit as an HO lead.
I think Water-types such as Slowking and Rotom-W would benefit the most from the shifts, having many of their answers leave the tier.
:Mamoswine:
I agree with Mamoswine in UU. Although it isn’t as consistent as other Pokémon in the tier due to its constant reliance on momentum from pivots to bring it in safely, given its low Speed and fairly poor bulk, it is still one of the best stallbreakers in the entire tier. The combination of Ice- and Ground-type STAB is absurdly strong, meaning there is no consistent switch-in that can repeatedly come in without real risk, especially since it can run sets like Tera Grass + Trailblaze for :Rotom-Wash: Rotom-Wash, which would theoretically be its perfect check by resisting or being immune to both of its STABs. This also allows Mamoswine to snowball thanks to the +1 Speed boost, patching up one of its biggest weaknesses.
 
There is one thing that really stands out from looking at the SV UU stats from Week 1 of UUPL, and that is Weavile's high usage and winrate. Here is the SV UU usage stats for Week 1 of UUPL.
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Latios | 10 | 41.67% | 30.00% |
| 2 | Weavile | 9 | 37.50% | 66.67% |
| 3 | Skarmory | 9 | 37.50% | 44.44% |
| 4 | Slowking | 7 | 29.17% | 42.86% |
| 5 | Excadrill | 6 | 25.00% | 50.00% |
| 6 | Conkeldurr | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 7 | Mandibuzz | 5 | 20.83% | 20.00% |
| 8 | Fezandipiti | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 9 | Tinkaton | 5 | 20.83% | 40.00% |
| 10 | Donphan | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 11 | Arcanine-Hisui | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 12 | Hydreigon | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 13 | Clodsire | 5 | 20.83% | 20.00% |
| 14 | Keldeo | 5 | 20.83% | 40.00% |
| 15 | Thundurus | 4 | 16.67% | 75.00% |
| 16 | Metagross | 4 | 16.67% | 50.00% |
| 17 | Scizor | 4 | 16.67% | 75.00% |
| 18 | Lokix | 4 | 16.67% | 25.00% |
| 19 | Sandy Shocks | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 20 | Sinistcha | 3 | 12.50% | 33.33% |
| 21 | Keldeo-Resolute | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 22 | Ogerpon | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 23 | Thundurus-Therian | 3 | 12.50% | 100.00% |
| 24 | Slither Wing | 3 | 12.50% | 33.33% |
| 25 | Hydrapple | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 26 | Gastrodon | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 27 | Skeledirge | 3 | 12.50% | 33.33% |
| 28 | Toxapex | 2 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 29 | Gardevoir | 2 | 8.33% | 50.00% |
| 30 | Revavroom | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 31 | Volcanion | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 32 | Swampert | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 33 | Gligar | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 34 | Cobalion | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 35 | Salamence | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 36 | Bisharp | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 37 | Talonflame | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 38 | Enamorus-Therian | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Raikou | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 40 | Greninja | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
We can see here that Weavile has the second most usage at 37.50%, meaning that of the 24 teams brought to UUPL, 9 of which had a Weavile on it. Of those 9 teams, 6 of them won, making it so that Weavile has a winrate of 66.67%. This is an extremely high winrate for such a high usage mon, and is the highest winrate of any mon with over 4 uses in UUPL. I would not be surprised if a suspect test for Weavile would happen soon.
 
There is one thing that really stands out from looking at the SV UU stats from Week 1 of UUPL, and that is Weavile's high usage and winrate. Here is the SV UU usage stats for Week 1 of UUPL.
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Latios | 10 | 41.67% | 30.00% |
| 2 | Weavile | 9 | 37.50% | 66.67% |
| 3 | Skarmory | 9 | 37.50% | 44.44% |
| 4 | Slowking | 7 | 29.17% | 42.86% |
| 5 | Excadrill | 6 | 25.00% | 50.00% |
| 6 | Conkeldurr | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 7 | Mandibuzz | 5 | 20.83% | 20.00% |
| 8 | Fezandipiti | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 9 | Tinkaton | 5 | 20.83% | 40.00% |
| 10 | Donphan | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 11 | Arcanine-Hisui | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 12 | Hydreigon | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 13 | Clodsire | 5 | 20.83% | 20.00% |
| 14 | Keldeo | 5 | 20.83% | 40.00% |
| 15 | Thundurus | 4 | 16.67% | 75.00% |
| 16 | Metagross | 4 | 16.67% | 50.00% |
| 17 | Scizor | 4 | 16.67% | 75.00% |
| 18 | Lokix | 4 | 16.67% | 25.00% |
| 19 | Sandy Shocks | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 20 | Sinistcha | 3 | 12.50% | 33.33% |
| 21 | Keldeo-Resolute | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 22 | Ogerpon | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 23 | Thundurus-Therian | 3 | 12.50% | 100.00% |
| 24 | Slither Wing | 3 | 12.50% | 33.33% |
| 25 | Hydrapple | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 26 | Gastrodon | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 27 | Skeledirge | 3 | 12.50% | 33.33% |
| 28 | Toxapex | 2 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 29 | Gardevoir | 2 | 8.33% | 50.00% |
| 30 | Revavroom | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 31 | Volcanion | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 32 | Swampert | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 33 | Gligar | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 34 | Cobalion | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 35 | Salamence | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 36 | Bisharp | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 37 | Talonflame | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 38 | Enamorus-Therian | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Raikou | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 40 | Greninja | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
We can see here that Weavile has the second most usage at 37.50%, meaning that of the 24 teams brought to UUPL, 9 of which had a Weavile on it. Of those 9 teams, 6 of them won, making it so that Weavile has a winrate of 66.67%. This is an extremely high winrate for such a high usage mon, and is the highest winrate of any mon with over 4 uses in UUPL. I would not be surprised if a suspect test for Weavile would happen soon.
Ngl, this sample size is WAY too low to draw any meaningful conclusion.
 
There is one thing that really stands out from looking at the SV UU stats from Week 1 of UUPL, and that is Weavile's high usage and winrate. Here is the SV UU usage stats for Week 1 of UUPL.
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Latios | 10 | 41.67% | 30.00% |
| 2 | Weavile | 9 | 37.50% | 66.67% |
| 3 | Skarmory | 9 | 37.50% | 44.44% |
| 4 | Slowking | 7 | 29.17% | 42.86% |
| 5 | Excadrill | 6 | 25.00% | 50.00% |
| 6 | Conkeldurr | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 7 | Mandibuzz | 5 | 20.83% | 20.00% |
| 8 | Fezandipiti | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 9 | Tinkaton | 5 | 20.83% | 40.00% |
| 10 | Donphan | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 11 | Arcanine-Hisui | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 12 | Hydreigon | 5 | 20.83% | 60.00% |
| 13 | Clodsire | 5 | 20.83% | 20.00% |
| 14 | Keldeo | 5 | 20.83% | 40.00% |
| 15 | Thundurus | 4 | 16.67% | 75.00% |
| 16 | Metagross | 4 | 16.67% | 50.00% |
| 17 | Scizor | 4 | 16.67% | 75.00% |
| 18 | Lokix | 4 | 16.67% | 25.00% |
| 19 | Sandy Shocks | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 20 | Sinistcha | 3 | 12.50% | 33.33% |
| 21 | Keldeo-Resolute | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 22 | Ogerpon | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 23 | Thundurus-Therian | 3 | 12.50% | 100.00% |
| 24 | Slither Wing | 3 | 12.50% | 33.33% |
| 25 | Hydrapple | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 26 | Gastrodon | 3 | 12.50% | 66.67% |
| 27 | Skeledirge | 3 | 12.50% | 33.33% |
| 28 | Toxapex | 2 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 29 | Gardevoir | 2 | 8.33% | 50.00% |
| 30 | Revavroom | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 31 | Volcanion | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 32 | Swampert | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 33 | Gligar | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 34 | Cobalion | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 35 | Salamence | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 36 | Bisharp | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 37 | Talonflame | 1 | 4.17% | 0.00% |
| 38 | Enamorus-Therian | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Raikou | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
| 40 | Greninja | 1 | 4.17% | 100.00% |
We can see here that Weavile has the second most usage at 37.50%, meaning that of the 24 teams brought to UUPL, 9 of which had a Weavile on it. Of those 9 teams, 6 of them won, making it so that Weavile has a winrate of 66.67%. This is an extremely high winrate for such a high usage mon, and is the highest winrate of any mon with over 4 uses in UUPL. I would not be surprised if a suspect test for Weavile would happen soon.
I don’t see Weavile as a major issue in the tier. While it obviously forces teams to run at least one check, this is more due to its consistency rather than it being inherently broken. Its weakness to priority and Tera also keeps it in check, and there are plenty of both offensive and defensive answers available
 
Ngl, this sample size is WAY too low to draw any meaningful conclusion.
Very true, however, I have been seeing some grumblings about Weavile being potentially broken, so tiering action might happen. Personally, I don't think Weavile is broken. It is very, very good, but not broken as it is frail and easy to offensively check with mons such as Lokix and Scizor, which either forces Weavile to burn Tera or lose momentum.
 
Just want to throw out that maybe Revavroom should be looked at. Its the biggest gamerobber ever and its incredibly one-dimensional, providing no defensive utility and mostly just waiting in the back on screens teams for the right opportunity to come in, click shift gear, and run away with the game given that it doesnt miss an untimely gunk shot.

Idk if thats enough to make it banworthy, but personally I think those annoying, almost identical HO builds, which plague both ladder and tournaments would be appropriately nerfed by its removal
 
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