Suspect Mix and Mega Suspect 16: Dragapult

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Ever since the introductions of ZA mega stones and the initial ban wave that followed, there have been a few elements that are more controversial than others. Where stones like Zeraorite and Heatranite have seen uptake without much issue, and fears over absolite Z never actually materialized into anything substantial, Zygardite has been a much more polarizing subject. At first it might not look at home on the list of powerful offensive stones, lacking as it does the sort of offensive ability that made red orb and pidgeotite such potent options, but it makes up for that by sheer stats - it clocks in at a whopping 125 special attack, 45 higher than the next largest stat boost given by a stone. This - combined with a mediocre but usable boost of 15 to speed - allows it to turn its recipients into potent offensive threats, but where a number of these struggle to pick up any real usage, the same cannot be said of Dragapult.

With Zygardite, Dragapult clocks in at a whopping 225 special attack, giving its attacks a much needed kick, while maintaining an excellent 157 speed stat that suffices to comfortably outpace the vast majority of unboosted pokemon in the metagame, and a fair number of boosted ones as well. STAB Draco Meteor necessitates either a type advantage or absurd special bulk to safely switch in on, most of which it can take apart with other moves like Hydro Pump, Fire Blast, Thunderbolt, and Shadow Ball; those that it cannot may find themselves suffering regardless to U-turn, as it brings in a teammate to chase out whatever actually managed to give it trouble. In the first few weeks of Mix and Mega Premier League, it stood out from the back enough to make it the most discussed abuser on the most recent survey on the backs of these capabilities.

However, not all is fun and games for Dragapult. Like many other Zygardite pokemon, it often finds itself bedeviled by low defenses, which make it easy to revenge kill and put it into a dire spot against any pokemon it can't threaten with an OHKO. It's moves are all also unreliable, with all of them except Hydro Pump having multiple relevant immunities and often struggling with inaccuracy due to the need to maximize damage output at all costs. It's not uncommon for a game to go from very favorable to a Dragapult user to incredibly unfavorable in the space of just one turn, just from calling the wrong attack or missing a key move that results in it being knocked out or crippled. U-turn does less to save it here than might be hoped as well; with how difficult Dragapult is to bring in safely, it can end up feeling like a wasted opportunity when it enters the field and fails to make progress. In premier league games so far, its performance has proven incredibly inconsistent, often failing to accomplish anything of note and feeling like a mere accessory on an otherwise functional build

As such, council has elected to leave the final decision in the hands of community members, and is leaving it up for a suspect vote.

SUSPECT REQUIREMENTS

The instructions to participate in this retest are as follows:

Create a new account on PS. You do not have to follow any specific naming convention, but your suspect account must have never played a game in SV Mix and Mega before this suspect test went up or you will not receive valid requirements (resetting W-L does not count for this—the account you use must never have played Mix and Mega before the test, full stop.)
You can use /rank to check if your alt is allowed to get requirements. Whenever in doubt, type /rank and it will tell confirm if you are eligible or not
At any point on your new account, use the command /linksmogon on Pokemon Showdown! You will receive instructions on what to do once you run this command
Double check that you're listed as a voter here! If you aren't listed as a voter despite having valid reqs, please contact dhelmise, Giagantic, Chessking, or any other OM Staff member.

The requirement to vote in this suspect test is a COIL value of 2850 (with a B value of 5). The deadline for getting requirements will be <t:1774238340:F>

Voting:
Once the suspect period is over, everyone who has obtained reqs will be tagged. The post will contain the link for blind voting. For now, follow the above "Suspect Requirements" subheading to ensure that you have achieved requirements and linked your account

A Super-majority of 60% restrict votes is required to restrict Dragapult from Mega Evolving in Mix and Mega!

TL;DR:
- Dragapult is permitted on the suspect Ladder
- The COIL value is 2850
- You must ladder on a newly-created alt of any name
- You must link your suspect alt with your smogon account using /linksmogon
- The suspect test will conclude at <t:1774238340:F>
 
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Ladder is still not very good as per usual, had two losses which were against my own teams lmao (With one of them being me losing to my own tech in Sub Archaludon since I am a goof and clicked Salt Cure into it completely forgetting that, which was funny in hindsight)

:basculegion-f: :garganacl: :great tusk: :entei: :dragonite: :lunala:
Team used to breeze through ladder, super strong offense structure which I kind of stole from Hayedenn but they smell so anyways, funnily enough it was built around Basculegion but in practice it ended up not really performing so you could most likely replace it with some other speed control with greater success.

I've already talked about my thoughts on Zygardite (and I guess pult too but the real controversy's Zygardite lets be honest) here so I'll try to keep it short here. As of now I don't find Dragapult particulary overbearing on its own, and looking at tours it doesn't seem to have performed as amazingly as people are claiming it to be (I don't like looking at winrates purely because they don't show the whole picture but there has been very few if any games where pult has overperformed), and its not like there are no checks to pult available. On top of that we also haven't had an insane amount of time to play with these new stones so I'd prefer to keep everything as is for now instead of rushing decisions just because, just let the metagame settle down for a bit (Just remembered champions is coming soon which will most certainly shake things up again...)
 
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I used a bunch of oddball teams like the following::Basculegion::Ho-Oh::Magearna::Regieleki::Great Tusk: :Arceus-Grass:

I used to be somewhat ban zygardite, but through my use of it I have concluded the stone, and its users are merely ok at best. Magearna is a huge stopping point for both Dragapult and Deo-speed, Ho-Oh does decently into both and requires hitting two hydros in a row to KO (you can switch)... There are a bunch of unconventional answers as well with Chimechite. They both die to a light breeze and regileleki / dnite love facing them. Psychic Terrain is gimmicky and beatable. I just don't see in what way they are broken, heck I think Deoxys-Speed could run other stuff and do exactly the same things it does with Zygardite with less defensive smoosth.
 
It's been quite a while since I've played the game, so my knowledge of current threats, acronyms, etc. aren't very sophisticated.
https://pokepast.es/f162f5a4135f5ffd
This is the team I used, it's a hazard stack voltturn spam team that seeks to get in dragapult and force the opponent into switches and hazard damage to wear them down, with lunala, arcanine, or dpult sweeping in the late game. It's not the best team, I really just put it together in 10 minutes.

I haven't played any tournament MnM so I'm not certain how Dragapult feels to play vs in a more competitive setting, but thus far I haven't seen Dragapult as too overbearing. Perhaps the ladder just doesn't do it justice, but Zygardite Dpult doesn't seem overwhelming when accounting for it correctly. I used Dpult for nearly every game while getting reqs, and while it did pretty much always carry it's weight, I don't think it harms the health of the game or warps the tier around itself in the same manner that previously banned pokemon or stones would.

I think the ceiling for play with Dpult is very high, as it possesses the immediate power to force an opponent to swap out for fear of a OHKO from Draco, and even still catch 2HKOs from Shadow ball. It's biggest weakness is it's frailty in such a high power metagame, with it having weaknesses to common Espeed -ate pokemon. Additionally, mag, one of the best and most common pokemon in the current meta, can swap in with relative ease, although it does fear a flame thrower or Fire blast.
I'll vote DNB. Maybe as the meta develops and people play/build pult better it will become a larger issue, but at the moment I don't think it's any more banworthy than zygardite itself.
 
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just got reqs. tier seems fun and easy to learn. i will be voting DNB. doesnt seem all that broken. i can be convinced, but from what i experienced on ladder... its not that broken
 
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Just completed my ladder games, altho the ladder is not much active and could not see zygardite dragapult to be used that much.
https://pokepast.es/5ec94970c237f711 used this team for laddering. s/o to Moongirl to give me the team.

Although i have seen very less dragapult to be used in ladder but what i saw is dragapult is pretty ez to punish due to its less defences. Well it is a metagame famous for pixilate extreme speeds. So pixilate espeed dragonite, entei or regieleki can easily ko this mon. Magearna is also a good wall into this mon. Only fire blast is threatening, but that isnt very optimal for the type of set pult runs. It is not much threatening to other teams either. Not that it cant really sweep whole team, but there are many answers to this mon. It is not broken and so i will be voting DNB
 
Pult is frail, a fact exacerbated by Zygardite; it takes basically no hits after clicking the mega button and being forced to pivot because my opp brought in Magearna or sth does not feel like a good trade. Add in the fact that every espeeder ever + Deo-S nukes this guy and Zyg Pult feels like a paper tiger to me more often than not. It requires extensive team support (which by itself is fine) but the tradeoff is often not enough.
Edit to add that the team i started laddering with had Zyg Pult but i switched to Deo-S midway because it felt so meh.
I will be voting DNB.
S/O Time2Bonk for the teamdump post btw screens team is sick
 
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There’s currently 13 DNR votes for Dragapult, meaning it is no longer able to get restricted via this suspect test. Voting will remain open for those who haven’t voted yet. If you qualify for TC (6 MnM votes or 10 OM votes), or you qualify for Top TC (18 MnM votes or 30 OM votes), please reach out to Chessking, Giagantic, and myself via Smogon DMs or Discord DMs with proof of your votes.
 
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