Once again, most of the people for Draft in SCL haven't really provided any tangible reasons for why it does belong other than "Well I like Draft and it's popular so we should change everything to do what I want"Once again most of the people against Draft in SCL haven't really provided any tangible reasons as for why it doesn't belong other than "Well I like SCL as it is and am against change so we should do what I want"
I don't really think my post was "derailing the thread with nonsense non-starter solutions" like you seem to think it was. As far as I know as a non Draft main non TD non SS member NU guy there's never been a public conversation about the potential for a Draft trophy tour, and there's definitely never been a thread or post asking about it until I said that. I also literally called you guys a "modern pillar of the website" in my post while heaping on loads of praise as I wondered about the possibility for a Draft focused trophy tour to happen, so while I can't speak for others who are against Draft in SCL, you saying that I'm "so repulsed by the idea of this nonstandard format being represented in a big tour" after reading my post feels a bit...off. I clearly want you guys to get your flowers and reach your max potential, and if me not feeling like I've been convinced that SCL should be changed off of the pure popularity and potential of Draft alone suddenly invalidates all of that in your eyes, then so be it I guess. I have total faith in the future of your format and I think that's pretty obvious.
With that said though, in reality, regardless of my own feelings or anyone else's feelings towards Draft comes the hurdles that need to be addressed before adding it to SCL. As someone who's really come around on Draft as a concept and that believes it to be a huge breath of fresh air for Smogon, I personally feel like there are three main categories of questions on the subject that I feel need more answering before change can happen, and I'm not entirely convinced yet on any of them. The first two are the most pressing for change and the last one is more of an internal Draft community question that I'd love to hear more about as well.
Here are those question categories as I've seen them asked in the threads so far:
1) Why should we change SCL? Is there something wrong with the tour as is? Are people unhappy? Does there feel like there's real room for expansion that can be justified? What do we gain/lose by doing so? How would Draft fix things if people are unhappy?
2) If we decide to change it, why should Draft be the tier over something else like Mono or ZU or Rands or anything else? Should we base things off of player base size? General fit with the other tiers in the tournament? Pool strength? Competitiveness?
3) FROM A DRAFT COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE OUT OF CURIOSITY, why does Draft want to be in SCL at this current moment in time? Is it about getting a trophy tour? Is it about more Smogon integration? What exactly does that mean end goal wise when popularity is already so high? What more needs to be done for Draft and the community to feel really happy with where they are? How does one get there?
For Draft mains reading this, I'm willing to bet that everyone who's anti adding the format to SCL has an issue within one of those first two categories and I really do believe that the best way to make your case is by directly responding to those questions and the subquestions below. So far, some of the posts have addressed them, such as Hacker talking about how isolating DOU, LC, and OU feel in SCL or the comments on the popularity of Draft making it a good candidate, but most posts in favor so far have only talked about how enjoyable Draft is without much more substance. No one is contesting that element, I think we all just want to hear more about why change should happen the way it's being asked to. Based on what I've seen, I personally feel like the best future for Draft would be to have it end up with its own trophy tournament eventually and I'd love to see that timeline. Like I said before, Draft will be a modern pillar of Smogon, if it isn't one already, so its own tour makes a lot more sense to me than squeezing it into SCL, especially since I struggle to see any reason to change the tournament.












