just to go against the grain i'm going to actually be helpful and constructive here
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Buzzwole is very much correct here.
While your points about Rough Skin and such are valid, "better physdef" isn't, as Garchomp gets bulkmogged by Ting-Lu.
There were allegations alright? Allegations garchomp was bulkmogged but no proof
Fair but garchomp can do more damage in general;I think that's what raffe meant by better physdef;being able to naturally punish physical attackers more than ting lu.While your points about Rough Skin and such are valid, "better physdef" isn't, as Garchomp gets bulkmogged by Ting-Lu.
outclassed by zama
Probably the best explanation on why a mon is unviable LMAO
Ain't no way this dude putted greninja at D and Hoopa at C
He's clearly a new player man cut him a break no need to be toxic
First of all, please try being more respectful with your comments. Second, greninja is fast yes, but it is incredibly frail and his attacking stats are mediocre. Third, hoopa is very strong but not outspeeds many things and has horrible physical bulk. Fourth, primarina might be a mistake. It has very strong trading power and I underestimated it. Fifth, dondozo is strong in stall, but stall has been struggling and dondozo can be somewhat passive (especially curse RestTalk sets). Sixth, glowking being S is very controversial, but I just thing it's an amazing glue pokemons. Probably the best slow pivot in the tier, walls iron Valiant, physically defensive variants can soft-check zamazenta and psychic noise can be very annoying for stall. Finally, I wanted to say things like tier list are something people put time and determination on, and mocking or laughing it off can reduce determination to get better at the things you love. Don't be toxic
Fast Frail Attacker such as Greninja is actually not the worst case as you might think. It has some great MUs such as opposing Offense / Bulky Offense team if you maneuver and play aggressive enough. One vital activation from Battle Bond and Greninja has the necessary power to break some bulkier cores as well (although AV Mola, Tera’d Ting-Lu and Woger still stop it almost effortlessly). Definitely a niche but usable C / B- tier sweeper (recommend to put Gren in Rain Dark Spam team, it performs super well).First of all, please try being more respectful with your comments. Second, greninja is fast yes, but it is incredibly frail and his attacking stats are mediocre. Third, hoopa is very strong but not outspeeds many things and has horrible physical bulk. Fourth, primarina might be a mistake. It has very strong trading power and I underestimated it. Fifth, dondozo is strong in stall, but stall has been struggling and dondozo can be somewhat passive (especially curse RestTalk sets). Sixth, glowking being S is very controversial, but I just thing it's an amazing glue pokemons. Probably the best slow pivot in the tier, walls iron Valiant, physically defensive variants can soft-check zamazenta and psychic noise can be very annoying for stall. Finally, I wanted to say things like tier list are something people put time and determination on, and mocking or laughing it off can reduce determination to get better at the things you love. Don't be toxic
Feel like it’s pretty incredible to call someone out and flame them for this when it’s a C tier mon that received two UR votes from within the VR council last slate? But what do I know :^)
Yeah hoopa is probably between B- and B+. I forgot that it can actually survive many special hits because I always looked at it as a slow frail breaker that's a little match up fishy. I can absolutely see why Glowking wouldn't be S, but it's the best pivot in the tier (in my personal opinion), is a great anti-weather pokemon, walls many iron Valiant sets, and does surprising damage for a support pokemon. I can see it being S- or even A+, but I can't see anything lower. Also people, try psychic noise, it's amazing (btw thanks for much for the engagement. Im fairly new to the community and seeing my posts get discussed really boosts my confidence in ingaiging in the community)
This isn't completely wrong to be honest, a set like Choice Band might not get too much value into a fast-paced offense team that doesn't give it the chance to fire off hits. I like AV for more consistently finding value at the cost of it losing some of its incredible wallbreaking power (though being a mixed attacker helps with that), but I do think it'll usually find a point in the game to do something against a foe like Gholdengo or even Kyurem regardless. The main thing for me is how hard it destroys these bulkier playstyles that otherwise would find it more comfortable to exist in the tier, it also shuts down Cresselia quite well by beating every set pre-Tera and living Tera Fairy Moonblast pretty comfortably. I've genuinely had to go 244 HP / 72+ Def EVs on my Gliscors on balance builds just because, without that, Tera Dark Hyperspace is an instant 6-0 loss.
I'd definitely agree with an A+ rank, even if it's only currently A on the VR! What feels like the main limiting factor for Slowking-G to me personally is that these pivot sets give you a special wall that can't deal with Gholdengo (or Darkrai) & gets punished hard by almost all of the tier's physical attackers, while AV sets drop a ton of longevity and lose the FuturePort pivot playstyle that appeals to me so much, it's not like the tier lacks switch-ins to its only moderately strong special attacks either. PhysDef patches up some of that by making it more reliable against things like AoA Zama or SD Val, it does better fit certain teams but I don't really like using that myself when no SpDef loses key interactions against mons like Specs Kyu or CM Draco Bolt and it's still unable to comfortably check things like SD Oger-W.
