Havent touched the tier since last year and i was wondering why some mon suddendly got viable. I'm mostly wondering how with all the knock off around, zor-h and Gimmighoul got some popularity, does it come from the fact the latter get to be above the highly contested 17spe? I'm assuming for the latter you're mostly just causing some mild headache with illusion and maybe denying a spin? Jangmo-o and Squirtle also puzzled me. I guess the former is self-explanatory looking at the set on smogon, but what about the latter? Did he rise up in order to fill the void shellder left as a Shell smasher?
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Shadow Ball is a very threatening stab move, with only Vullaby and Stunky resisting it. Gimmighoul-Roaming can run a Life Orb Nasty Plot set with coverage to hit Vullaby. Zorua-Hisui often runs a Choice Scarf set, but other sets can take advantage of its utility movepool and stab Terablast more effectively.
Jangmo-o is very niche, existing as a setup sweeper that punishes foongus. Shell Smash Squirtle sees some usage after the Shellder ban, primarily using Hydro Pump + Ice Beam + Terablast or Substitute.
1. yes, you can tell your friend
2. pawniard and ferroseed died for our sins. LC hates fun. greedyeb is bald. LC'ers flinch at the thought of setup sweepers. hacker was bribed. any of these reasons
Since LC is technically different from OU, is it correct to assume there's some role that doesnt exist? I'm mostly thinking about wallbreaker and wall, since everything's frail. Or does their meaning/role change a bit down here (like wallbreaker having progress making move like knock off). I'm assuming that beside mare/foon and "maybe" mienfoo, there's isnt a real equivalent to a wall.
you would be correct, there are some terms that differ heavily from ou meaning, even tho we still use them: our "walls" dont wall things like ou walls do, and our definitions of "check" and "counter" take this frailty into account as well
LCers famously ignore the high and low roll when calcing, as both 1/16 anomalities differ so from the average roll(s) that they're essentially like getting a crit or anti-crit Tanorasa
Edit; You'd simply give up too much momentum and freedom of play and teambuilding if you were to assume high roll everytime since, as Eric pointed out, the frailty of mons are simply too much in most scenarios for that to be a viable option.
Edit; You'd simply give up too much momentum and freedom of play and teambuilding if you were to assume high roll everytime since, as Eric pointed out, the frailty of mons are simply too much in most scenarios for that to be a viable option.
Why is koffing so bad in gen 9 when it was so elite in gen 8. It still has neutralising gas still counters top dog mienfoo irritating to switch into all coverage in world etc....
because it was incredibly potent and had no switch ins in swsh while in sv glimmet, mudbray and toedscool exist
In general, koffing functions defensively in both tiers, although not having to deal with tera made it much more reliable in swsh. In swsh, it is much better at making progress as it can threaten damage or status on all switch ins in addition to choking regenerator users. In sv, it can be walled by Glimmet and Growlithe while Gothita outclasses it in punishing regenerator.
