Resource SV OU Indigo Disk Viability Ranking Thread - (update on post #1393))

[evantheskeptic]

this is gonna sound crazy, but is there a reason why mandibuzz is ranked so high here? i genuinely am curious

Click to collapse...

if you think it should drop from b- to somewhere lower;nom it to drop with reasons as to why you think it's overrated. i've done this in ru's vr a lot so you can do the same here.
edit;seeing the mandibuzz discussion makes me feel like I did something useful here.
:alcremie: ur-->c
look;the only reason i'm nomming it is oceanic gamer's mono tier team for ladder achievements. apparently aroma veil blocking taunt from iron valiant is good for repeatedly getting calm minds. you can take psyshock from iron valiant too. draining Kiss adds to the "I check iron valiant"-factor even more and is reliable recovery. stored power hits poison types. and acid armor is good into kingambit for more reliable draining kisses. I doubt it can always be this fearsome but;it can work and is threatening. oceanic gamer told me the set was max HP max speed so no physdef investment even. it's just tanky to the point were max HP is enough for taking a +1 psyshock from val.
:abomasnow: whether i'll nom this thing or not depends on what T44torkoal and shaymin sky;wait I saw t44 make no replay noms for ur mons so I guess I will now;ur-->c-/c
Hear me out. it's slower than t tar which means it wins the weather war versus that. And slower than pelipper too so it's good into rain too since it has grass stab and a water resist. grass stab to threaten rocks too(giga drain, wood hammer, etc), it's not exactly a consistent veil setter but it wins weather wars more reliably since torkoal is c- now. and greater physical bulk so it has a better mu into gambit. ghold is a better mu due to not being quad weak to steel, resists waterpon's ivy cudgel too. the reason I'm going so low is;the fire types here man. but hamu is a good mu for aboman due to said grass stabs and resisting water moves, able to strongly threaten garganacl back. resisting grass moves is nice for dealing with rillaboom too. I won't list a set but it does have enough relevant mus(as in mus better than how a tales would do) to be ranked here
:garganacl: speaking of which;a- --> b/b+
It dropped for a reason;alright?. Amphibians rise up's video sums it up so I reccomend you watch that to explain why it should drop.

 

[Thunder Pwoell]

if you think it should drop from b- to somewhere lower;nom it to drop with reasons as to why you think it's overrated. i've done this in ru's vr a lot so you can do the same here

Click to collapse...

im the number #1 ou mandibuzz user across 5 generations. Ive seen it rise, be unrated, and fall, and be memed by the community on multiple occasions. TBh, it's not bad in this generation but it is not good at all. In many cases it's flat out a liability and is so specific and needs so much support. if ur not playing perfectly, which granted I do a lot, you will just lose with it on ur team as it can be set up fodder. This shit needs to be in C. hard C. Situationally S, but C most of the time.
I can make it work sometimes but man it gets kod so often. fuck that bird man

 

[t44Torkoal]

this is gonna sound crazy, but is there a reason why mandibuzz is ranked so high here? i genuinely am curious

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Mandibuzz has been improving for quite a while now. It's NOT bad, but it's not that good either. It has great bulk, Dark/Flying is great defensively, and has stuff like stab foul play to check setup sweepers like ceru dnite and rilla. It also has stab knock, toxic and defog which means while its passive, it isn't THAT passive. It's just a huge opportunity cost compared to other defensive flyings like gliscor, corviknight, or skarmory.

It is certainly getting better, but that doesn't mean it's good. Its fine but its not really anything special.

 

[t44Torkoal]

some noms as someone who hasn't played the tier in forever

:pmd/slowking-galar: A > A+

This mon is incredible. It does so much, regen is a top 5 ability, and stab sludge bomb also helps with spreading poison. It is an excellent check to valiant, kyurem, zamazenta, etc thanks to its poison/psychic typing. You can also run slack off for more reliable healing. Overall, great bulk with excellent typing and ability = Something higher than A.

:pmd/ogerpon: A- > A

I love ogerpon. It's a very good mon that hits hard, has u-turn for pivoting, spikes to wear mon other mons especially with rocks support, encore to stop setup and bring a mon in safely when it has encored a mon that used a status move etc... Tera grass ivy cudgel with speed boost is just bonkers, especially if grass resists have already been dealt with.

:pmd/quagsire: :pmd/slowking: C- > UR

are these mons still used? I don't think they ever see play nowadays

 

[658Greninja]

Time for my scheduled surprise post on the VR.

:sv/glimmora:
Glimmora A > A+
Glimmora is the MVP of Hyper Offense. You cannot queue up vs offense and not see this guy 90% of the time. It provides three important roles on Offense, hazards, removal, and a Tspike absorber. All of which is amplified with its set variety, but the main one is Red Card. This single mon allows for so much skill expression. You can preserve it early game, or save it for a booster, or make a shiest pivot into E-Speed Dnite or Ice Spinner Tusk. Red Card Glimm is also one of the best responses to Ceruledge in the meta.

:sv/samurott_hisui:
H-Samurott A > A+
This mon is everywhere lmao. The reason why there’s been a lot of Samu lately is cause of the insane role compression it provides. Checks Ghold, Ceru, Gambit, and stacks Spikes at the same time. Encore is also dummy good with all the Cress and Gambit flying around. Wellspring can fill this slot but Samu has many advantages including a Ghost resistance, the ability to run an item, and the ability to run a defensive Tera lets it fit on more team structures. Samu notably threatens Pech with STAB Ceaseless and resists Sucker. Assault Vest + Sacred Sword trades with Kyurem and Darkrai. Just a great mon overall and on-par with Wellspring as the best offensive Water.

:sv/slowking_galar:
Slowking-Galar A > A+
Phys Def Gking + Specs Kyu is free ELO up until the 1800s. It’s easily the best defensive pivot in the tier. Gking sygergizes amazingly with the likes of Fighting types and Dark types, all of which are common in Gen 9 with Future Sight. With the development of physically bulky sets, Gking has become more versatile than before. Pokemon that previously threatened OHKOs on it like H-Samu are forced into an uncomfortable trade to T-Wave or a Chilly Reception into a big threat. It also works great with Encore users, sponging hits vs Raging Bolt, Cresselia, etc to safely position the Ogerpon/Valiant. Though not a full-on check, Phys Def Gking can help pivot around Wellspring. I cannot speak for tours, but on ladder the trio of Kyu/Gking/Cinder is among the most consistently performing cores in SV from Rainbow Six to Blimax Six. Gking is a near perfect trade machine and I believe its impact on the tier should be reflected on the VR.

:sv/blaziken:
Blaziken B > B+
Received a lot of traction on ladder and even tour play. The appeal with Ken over Ceru is its natural Sucker Punch immunity and set variety. Mixed Overheat, SD, Focus Energy, Vacuum Wave. Its incredible at forcing in mons like Dnite, Molt, Gking, Lando, Zama and punching holes outta them. Three Attacks Protect LO is the go-to. You don’t need a turn to setup and Protect synergizes with Tspikes. Genuinely nasty mon and I’m glad more people are warming up to it since LB’s impressive OLT run.

:sv/lokix:
Lokix B > B+
Kix can go up a tier imo. Its gotten a shocking amount of usage in SCL. G-Weez dropping in usage and offense rising is really good for it. Punishes defensive Teras very nicely.

:sv/ceruledge:
Ceruledge A > A-
This take is probably as hot as fire but Ceruledge is kinda overhyped. Most of Ceruledge’s crazy calcs come from Life Orb, often desiring Screens and Tera to get up Swords Dance. Air Balloon and Focus Sash are just as good, but miss out on OHKOs that Life Orb would grant. For example.

+2 252+ Atk Ceruledge Poltergeist vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 303-357 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

And

+2 252+ Atk Ceruledge Poltergeist vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 319-376 (59.7 - 70.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Tusk and Mola are often paired with priority to pick off the weakened Ceruledge or if it Tera’d such as Dnite, Gambit, Bolt, Lokix, etc. Ceruledge appreciates some trends like Cress and Screens, but also dislikes rises like AV Samu, Red Card Glimmora, Lokix, Rai, etc. A year ago, LO Ceruledge was dominating the popular Balance cores, and in fairness it still does, but players are much more prepped for it compared to late 2025/early 2026. We are seeing less Ceruledge sweeps at high level. Here’s all the SCL games so far with Ceruledge.

scl ceru replays

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-974626

Axzel takes this but his Ceruledge doesn’t get to do anything. Everything aside from Cress gives Ceruledge free entry. Mephis has Taunt on their Cinderace, switching on U-Turn costs Ceruledge momentum and health.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-975068

Sirpeanutcrotch gets a good matchup for his Ceruledge, Trick Room Sun. Ceruledge gets 1 kill on the Cress and puts alot of pressure on Sire Clod. Good Ceru showing but Trick Room is not representative of the meta as a whole.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-975052

Ceruledge struggles to find entry early on, but endgame puts Achimoo in a favorable position for a lategame Ceruledge clean. Unfortunately Fusien’s CB Ace crits with Tera Fire Pyro Ball. Otherwise Ceruledge wins here.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-974628

Nothing crazy. Ceruledge claims 1 KO and later gets sacked to heal Torn out of Stone Edge range from Zama. Pretty good but not dominating.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-974226

Ceruledge never gets a chance to come out. Everything on Garay Oak’s side threatens Ceruledge besides Cress who never comes out until it’s time to sweep Turn 23. Cress would’ve 1v1d the Ceruledge even if it was Life Orb if Garay Oak read the Tera. An example of people playing smart vs Ceruledge.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-976508

Separation plays smart with the Moltres by clicking Roar in front of it knowing Ceruledge would sweep with Swords Dance + Weak Armor. Later when Ceruledge has a free opportunity on the Glowking, Zamazenta forces it out after taking Life Orb chip and a Flamethrower, positioning himself for a Zama sweep.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-976825

Patatex catches Fusien off-guard with Balloon Close Combat to KO Glimmora after it used up the Red Card. Fusien clutches it with Bulk Up Head Smash Tusk despite the crit. Even when surprising the opponent, Ceruledge at best is just getting a KO and a trade. Fusien loses after getting greedy with Samu in front of the obvious Life Orb Outrage Dnite and the surprise Red Card Gambit.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-975718

Dugtrio Is Broken brings Mola/G-Weez Balance, a theoretically good matchup for the Ceruledge, but with Helmet Mola + Lokix and a Corv sack, Ceruledge is neutralized just fine. A good showcase of Pokemon not just being about having checks, but about team composition.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-976772

Ceruledge comes in once but doesn’t do anything. The W comes from the efforts of Glimmora, Valiant, and SD Chomp.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-976196

Ceruledge plays an important role in revenge killing the scary-looking +2 Attack Valiant. Apart from that it puts Glimmora in range of Rai Focus Blast but leaves the team with Toxic Spikes to deal with. Rough matchup for NoName.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-979423

Dugtrio Is Broken brings the same team vs Ceruledge. This time its Bulk Up Tera Bug Taunt. Theoretically 6-0s but continuous chip from Helmet and Flip Turn brings it in range of Lokix.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-979484

Ceruledge doesn’t do much this game besides break Dnite’s Multiscale. Only to get chip heavily and lose the Balloon. Potatochan also reads the hard Ceru switch.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-979181

Sirpeanutcrouch’s Ceruledge never gets a chance to click anything. Everything on Silent Waltz team can KO Ceruledge.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-978163?p2

LB whips out Ceruledge with the Timbs. Unfortnately even with Tera Ghost, Ceruledge fails to pick up the KO on Gliscor, but it does take 2 Pokemon with it. Good showing. Would’ve been a closer game if not for the unfortunate crit on the Zama.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-982195

Yerdunc pulls up with Stall. Ceruledge can’t make much progress because it’s Balloon.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-981631

Ceruledge doesn’t come out, but wanted to put it here cause Quick Claw is funny.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-982132

Ceruledge KOs Raging Bolt after it took chip and deals 67% to Zamazenta under Reflect at +4 before going down. Putting it in range of +2 Sucker later on.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-969336

Very good matchup for Ceruledge. It grabs two KOs including a sick Tera read and brings Skarm down to Sturdy. Alot of issues arose here, including the team’s questionable matchup into Ceru and no attempts at getting up hazards early on.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-970793

Vert brings a shiest HO (ignore that Tspikes wrecks it) but Ceruledge doesn’t get to do a whole lot besides reveal Synthesis on Wellspring.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-971525

Dahli’s Ceruledge revenge kills Raging Bolt and gets a little bit of chip on Wellspring, but ultimately SD Gliscor cleans up the game.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-971241

Ceruledge attempts to Shadow Sneak Gholdengo, but then reveals Tera Bug and cleans up.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-971262

Ceruledge is in prime position to sweep with Mandibuzz eliminated, but Kebab Mlml’s Sun works against them, letting Tusk OHKO Ceruledge post-Tera.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-972852

Pkel’s team comp doesn’t give Sire Clod’s Ceruledge any safe switch-ins. The first time it comes out it gets forced out by Samu after a sack. The only KO it gets is on a very low HP Dnite and is KOd by Val.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-973394

Ceruledge comes in after LB takes out 4 of Potatochan’s team. It would have taken out the Tusk and broke Dnite’s Multiscale had LB went for Poltergeist, but it doesn’t matter since Tera Ghost Val will finish the job either way. Potatochan made a lot of greedy plays such as staying in on Wellspring with Samu T1 and staying on Deo with Zama when the perfectly healthy Gholdengo was right there.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-973627

Another Balloon Ceru Offense vs Stall situation. Not much to comment there, Stall won.

I can continue on with OLT replays but the point is that in most games, Ceruledge

-Doesn’t contribute much

-Doesn’t come in due to hostile team comps

-Gets 1 KO, usually a sack or a revenge kill

I believe its placement in A tier is outdated with how Ceruledge is performing in current SV OU.

:sv/moltres:
Moltres A- > B+
This mon’s at its lowpoint imo. It just dies to Knock + Rocks, physical Water moves, or teched Rock coverage which is a lot the meta right now. Ceru, Glimm, and Boltbeam Cress is bad news for Molt as HO is historically its best matchup. Zapdos mogs this so hard y’all don’t know.

 

[evantheskeptic]

Time for my scheduled surprise post on the VR.

:sv/glimmora:
Glimmora A > A+
Glimmora is the MVP of Hyper Offense. You cannot queue up vs offense and not see this guy 90% of the time. It provides three important roles on Offense, hazards, removal, and a Tspike absorber. All of which is amplified with its set variety, but the main one is Red Card. This single mon allows for so much skill expression. You can preserve it early game, or save it for a booster, or make a shiest pivot into E-Speed Dnite or Ice Spinner Tusk. Red Card Glimm is also one of the best responses to Ceruledge in the meta.

:sv/samurott_hisui:
H-Samurott A > A+
This mon is everywhere lmao. The reason why there’s been a lot of Samu lately is cause of the insane role compression it provides. Checks Ghold, Ceru, Gambit, and stacks Spikes at the same time. Encore is also dummy good with all the Cress and Gambit flying around. Wellspring can fill this slot but Samu has many advantages including a Ghost resistance, the ability to run an item, and the ability to run a defensive Tera lets it fit on more team structures. Samu notably threatens Pech with STAB Ceaseless and resists Sucker. Assault Vest + Sacred Sword trades with Kyurem and Darkrai. Just a great mon overall and on-par with Wellspring as the best offensive Water.

:sv/slowking_galar:
Slowking-Galar A > A+
Phys Def Gking + Specs Kyu is free ELO up until the 1800s. It’s easily the best defensive pivot in the tier. Gking sygergizes amazingly with the likes of Fighting types and Dark types, all of which are common in Gen 9 with Future Sight. With the development of physically bulky sets, Gking has become more versatile than before. Pokemon that previously threatened OHKOs on it like H-Samu are forced into an uncomfortable trade to T-Wave or a Chilly Reception into a big threat. It also works great with Encore users, sponging hits vs Raging Bolt, Cresselia, etc to safely position the Ogerpon/Valiant. Though not a full-on check, Phys Def Gking can help pivot around Wellspring. I cannot speak for tours, but on ladder the trio of Kyu/Gking/Cinder is among the most consistently performing cores in SV from Rainbow Six to Blimax Six. Gking is a near perfect trade machine and I believe its impact on the tier should be reflected on the VR.

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:sv/blaziken:
Blaziken B > B+
Received a lot of traction on ladder and even tour play. The appeal with Ken over Ceru is its natural Sucker Punch immunity and set variety. Mixed Overheat, SD, Focus Energy, Vacuum Wave. Its incredible at forcing in mons like Dnite, Molt, Gking, Lando, Zama and punching holes outta them. Three Attacks Protect LO is the go-to. You don’t need a turn to setup and Protect synergizes with Tspikes. Genuinely nasty mon and I’m glad more people are warming up to it since LB’s impressive OLT run.

:sv/lokix:
Lokix B > B+
Kix can go up a tier imo. Its gotten a shocking amount of usage in SCL. G-Weez dropping in usage and offense rising is really good for it. Punishes defensive Teras very nicely.

:sv/ceruledge:
Ceruledge A > A-
This take is probably as hot as fire but Ceruledge is kinda overhyped. Most of Ceruledge’s crazy calcs come from Life Orb, often desiring Screens and Tera to get up Swords Dance. Air Balloon and Focus Sash are just as good, but miss out on OHKOs that Life Orb would grant. For example.

+2 252+ Atk Ceruledge Poltergeist vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 303-357 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

And

+2 252+ Atk Ceruledge Poltergeist vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 319-376 (59.7 - 70.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Tusk and Mola are often paired with priority to pick off the weakened Ceruledge or if it Tera’d such as Dnite, Gambit, Bolt, Lokix, etc. Ceruledge appreciates some trends like Cress and Screens, but also dislikes rises like AV Samu, Red Card Glimmora, Lokix, Rai, etc. A year ago, LO Ceruledge was dominating the popular Balance cores, and in fairness it still does, but players are much more prepped for it compared to late 2025/early 2026. We are seeing less Ceruledge sweeps at high level. Here’s all the SCL games so far with Ceruledge.

scl ceru replays

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-974626

Axzel takes this but his Ceruledge doesn’t get to do anything. Everything aside from Cress gives Ceruledge free entry. Mephis has Taunt on their Cinderace, switching on U-Turn costs Ceruledge momentum and health.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-975068

Sirpeanutcrotch gets a good matchup for his Ceruledge, Trick Room Sun. Ceruledge gets 1 kill on the Cress and puts alot of pressure on Sire Clod. Good Ceru showing but Trick Room is not representative of the meta as a whole.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-975052

Ceruledge struggles to find entry early on, but endgame puts Achimoo in a favorable position for a lategame Ceruledge clean. Unfortunately Fusien’s CB Ace crits with Tera Fire Pyro Ball. Otherwise Ceruledge wins here.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-974628

Nothing crazy. Ceruledge claims 1 KO and later gets sacked to heal Torn out of Stone Edge range from Zama. Pretty good but not dominating.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-974226

Ceruledge never gets a chance to come out. Everything on Garay Oak’s side threatens Ceruledge besides Cress who never comes out until it’s time to sweep Turn 23. Cress would’ve 1v1d the Ceruledge even if it was Life Orb if Garay Oak read the Tera. An example of people playing smart vs Ceruledge.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-976508

Separation plays smart with the Moltres by clicking Roar in front of it knowing Ceruledge would sweep with Swords Dance + Weak Armor. Later when Ceruledge has a free opportunity on the Glowking, Zamazenta forces it out after taking Life Orb chip and a Flamethrower, positioning himself for a Zama sweep.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-976825

Patatex catches Fusien off-guard with Balloon Close Combat to KO Glimmora after it used up the Red Card. Fusien clutches it with Bulk Up Head Smash Tusk despite the crit. Even when surprising the opponent, Ceruledge at best is just getting a KO and a trade. Fusien loses after getting greedy with Samu in front of the obvious Life Orb Outrage Dnite and the surprise Red Card Gambit.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-975718

Dugtrio Is Broken brings Mola/G-Weez Balance, a theoretically good matchup for the Ceruledge, but with Helmet Mola + Lokix and a Corv sack, Ceruledge is neutralized just fine. A good showcase of Pokemon not just being about having checks, but about team composition.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-976772

Ceruledge comes in once but doesn’t do anything. The W comes from the efforts of Glimmora, Valiant, and SD Chomp.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-976196

Ceruledge plays an important role in revenge killing the scary-looking +2 Attack Valiant. Apart from that it puts Glimmora in range of Rai Focus Blast but leaves the team with Toxic Spikes to deal with. Rough matchup for NoName.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-979423

Dugtrio Is Broken brings the same team vs Ceruledge. This time its Bulk Up Tera Bug Taunt. Theoretically 6-0s but continuous chip from Helmet and Flip Turn brings it in range of Lokix.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-979484

Ceruledge doesn’t do much this game besides break Dnite’s Multiscale. Only to get chip heavily and lose the Balloon. Potatochan also reads the hard Ceru switch.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-979181

Sirpeanutcrouch’s Ceruledge never gets a chance to click anything. Everything on Silent Waltz team can KO Ceruledge.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-978163?p2

LB whips out Ceruledge with the Timbs. Unfortnately even with Tera Ghost, Ceruledge fails to pick up the KO on Gliscor, but it does take 2 Pokemon with it. Good showing. Would’ve been a closer game if not for the unfortunate crit on the Zama.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-982195

Yerdunc pulls up with Stall. Ceruledge can’t make much progress because it’s Balloon.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-981631

Ceruledge doesn’t come out, but wanted to put it here cause Quick Claw is funny.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-982132

Ceruledge KOs Raging Bolt after it took chip and deals 67% to Zamazenta under Reflect at +4 before going down. Putting it in range of +2 Sucker later on.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-969336

Very good matchup for Ceruledge. It grabs two KOs including a sick Tera read and brings Skarm down to Sturdy. Alot of issues arose here, including the team’s questionable matchup into Ceru and no attempts at getting up hazards early on.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-970793

Vert brings a shiest HO (ignore that Tspikes wrecks it) but Ceruledge doesn’t get to do a whole lot besides reveal Synthesis on Wellspring.

scl ceru replays

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-971525

Dahli’s Ceruledge revenge kills Raging Bolt and gets a little bit of chip on Wellspring, but ultimately SD Gliscor cleans up the game.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-971241

Ceruledge attempts to Shadow Sneak Gholdengo, but then reveals Tera Bug and cleans up.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-971262

Ceruledge is in prime position to sweep with Mandibuzz eliminated, but Kebab Mlml’s Sun works against them, letting Tusk OHKO Ceruledge post-Tera.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-972852

Pkel’s team comp doesn’t give Sire Clod’s Ceruledge any safe switch-ins. The first time it comes out it gets forced out by Samu after a sack. The only KO it gets is on a very low HP Dnite and is KOd by Val.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-973394

Ceruledge comes in after LB takes out 4 of Potatochan’s team. It would have taken out the Tusk and broke Dnite’s Multiscale had LB went for Poltergeist, but it doesn’t matter since Tera Ghost Val will finish the job either way. Potatochan made a lot of greedy plays such as staying in on Wellspring with Samu T1 and staying on Deo with Zama when the perfectly healthy Gholdengo was right there.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9ou-973627

Another Balloon Ceru Offense vs Stall situation. Not much to comment there, Stall won.

I can continue on with OLT replays but the point is that in most games, Ceruledge

-Doesn’t contribute much

-Doesn’t come in due to hostile team comps

-Gets 1 KO, usually a sack or a revenge kill

I believe its placement in A tier is outdated with how Ceruledge is performing in current SV OU.

:sv/moltres:
Moltres A- > B+
This mon’s at its lowpoint imo. It just dies to Knock + Rocks, physical Water moves, or teched Rock coverage which is a lot the meta right now. Ceru, Glimm, and Boltbeam Cress is bad news for Molt as HO is historically its best matchup. Zapdos mogs this so hard y’all don’t know.

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ceruledge went from very underrated to slightly overrated. wow. i'm;actually shocked. ausma do you agree with gren's ceruledge take?
noob1877 said:Actually I really like regular slowking. Imo the best set is physdef. It’s basically a combination of glowking and alo and you can spam scald and fsight while being able to 1v1 tusk and ting unlike glowking and pivot on oger unlike alo. Quag is definitely terrible though
yet he still calls himself noob when he's clearly not a noob
:PMD/greninja: c to ur
I think we should move on people. Kd458 said what needs to be said earlier in the thread. This guy moving on vibes and aura alone these days. don't even think about glazing it. bumninja am I right
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:pawmot: ur to c
the utility of revival is nice for bringing stuff back and since it's fast can get revival blessings back. has nuzzle to para stuff and encore for disruption. and cc for raw fighting stab. the value goes beyond simply r blessing overall(r blessing is like h wish but brings back fainted mons so arguably better and it doesn't kill yourself unlike h wish).
:tentacruel: ur to c. the best removal option rain can have since it actively recovers in rain. flip turn for decent momentum so not automatically forced out. the set had poison jab so it wasn't totally passive. and mirror coat to really put belt on these special attackers.
yeah one water for two waters and an electric. good deal trust me
don't vote on Golduck I nommed it in nu already so I think one tier where it's ranked seriously is enough. and it being ou feels a bit ambitious

 

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:pmd/quagsire: :pmd/slowking: C- > UR

are these mons still used? I don't think they ever see play nowadays

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Actually I really like regular slowking. Imo the best set is physdef. It’s basically a combination of glowking and alo and you can spam scald and fsight while being able to 1v1 tusk and ting unlike glowking and pivot on oger unlike alo. Quag is definitely terrible though