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Hey all, relatively new to ZU but have peaked at 1495 on ladder and wanted to share both my opinions of the tier/metagame AND a Tiermaker I made for you to share yours as well! https://tiermaker.com/create/february-2024-sv-zu-16598396

All tiers are in order alphabetically, but everything should be roughly where it belongs; most stuff could go up or down a grade and I would be fine with it but these are my personal opinions thus far!
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A short breakdown of a handful of mons I think are worth discussing:
:combusken: - Speed Boost + Swords Dance makes this torched chicken a great setup sweeper if you can manage it well.
:eelektross: - A personal favorite of mine in the tier, capable of running Physical or Special sets pretty nicely and has nice natural bulk, especially when coupled with Assault Vest.
:oricorio-pa'u: - Arguably the most dangerous mon in the tier, after just one Quiver Dance this thing can be quite difficult to manage and it has multiple viable Tera types to capitalize on.
:sableye: - Prankster Encore + Thunder Wave / Will-O-Wisp is insanely good in this meta given the litany of setup options available.
:shaymin: - Right there with Ori-P for me as a dangerous mon, the stat distribution really helps here because you can run all sorts of sets (Life Orb, Choice Scarf or Specs, Leftovers Sub/Leech, etc).
:sneasel: - Very strong, very fast and great STAB options to abuse when coupled with a Swords Dance.
:swalot: - Hard to kill and spreads Toxic / Toxic Spikes pretty comfortably while spamming Body Press / Knock Off / Poison Jab.
:tauros-paldea-combat: - One of the best breakers in the tier with the option to run Choice Band, Scarf of Leftovers with a Bulk Up set.
:veluza: - Fillet Away gives this the equivalent of a Shell Smash at the minimal cost of 50% HP (25% if you run Sitrus, which you should). If given the turn to setup this can get out of hand quickly.
 
Rough Viability List for people to know what to use before ZUWC happens, I want players have actual resources for the tier and quality games so there is an actual fight for all countries and development instead of someone bringing Quaxwell thinking its good. Thank me later, will be excluding Pokemon I think who are broken from the list, they will be put below instead and assumed banned. Probably some questionable placements but it doesn't matter, you'll get the gist of how good something is anyway.

Broken
:Malamar: Malamar
:Frosmoth: Frosmoth
:Vulpix: Vulpix (Drought)

Top
:muk: Muk
:passimian: Passimian
:rotom: Rotom


High
:Abomasnow: Abomasnow
:Arboliva: Arboliva
:Articuno: Articuno
:Basculin: Basculin
:Combusken: Combusken
:Eelektross: Eelektross
:Lurantis: Lurantis
:Magmortar: Magmortar
:Magneton: Magneton
:Morpeko: Morpeko
:Oricorio-Pa'u: Oricorio-Pa'u
:Orthworm: Orthworm
:Persian-Alola: Persian-Alola
:Piloswine: Piloswine
:Poliwrath: Poliwrath
:Pyroar: Pyroar
:Raichu-Alola: Raichu-Alola
:Rhydon: Rhydon
:Shaymin: Shaymin
:Sneasel: Sneasel
:Sneasel-Hisui: Sneasel-Hisui:
:Spiritomb: Spiritomb
:Tauros: Tauros
:Toedscruel: Toedscruel
:Toxicroak: Toxicroak
:Veluza: Veluza
:Venomoth: Venomoth
:Whiscash: Whiscash

Mid
:Appletun: Appletun
:Avalugg-Hisui: Avalugg-Hisui
:Beartic: Beartic
:Crabominable: Crabominable
:Cryogonal: Cryogonal
:Dipplin: Dipplin
:Golduck: Golduck
:Gurdurr: Gurdurr
:Haunter: Haunter
:Houndoom: Houndoom
:Lapras: Lapras
:Ludicolo: Ludicolo
:Lycanroc-Midnight: Lycanroc-Midnight
:Mabosstiff: Mabosstiff
:Masquerain: Masquerain
:Medicham: Medicham
:Naclstack: Naclstack
:Oranguru: Oranguru
:Perrserker: Perrserker
:Primeape: Primeape
:Probopass: Probopass
:Raichu: Raichu
:Rotom-Frost: Rotom-Frost
:Sableye: Sableye
:Samurott: Samurott
:Shiftry: Shiftry
:Trevenant: Trevenant
:Victreebel: Victreebel

Low
:Ampharos: Ampharos
:Arbok: Arbok
:Banette: Banette
:Bellossom: Bellossom
:Cacturne: Cacturne
:Dachsbun: Dachsbun
:Ditto: Ditto
:Dugtrio: Dugtrio
:Dugtrio-Alola: Dugtrio-Alola
:Electivire: Electivire
:Exeggutor: Exeggutor
:Flapple: Flapple
:Flareon: Flareon
:Glaceon: Glaceon
:Granbull: Granbull
:Honchkrow: Honchkrow
:Indeedee-F: Indeedee-F
:Komala: Komala
:Meganium: Meganium
:Noctowl: Noctowl
:Quaxwell: Quaxwell
:Rabsca: Rabsca
:Rampardos: Rampardos
:Regice: Regice
:Rotom-Fan: Rotom-Fan
:Scovillain: Scovillain
:Tauros-Paldea-Combat: Tauros-Paldea-Combat
:Vespiquen: Vespiquen
:Vivillon: Vivillon
:Volbeat: Volbeat
 
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top
:dipplin: dipplin
:muk: muk

high
:Abomasnow: abomasnow
:Arboliva: arboliva
:Articuno: articuno
:avalugg-hisui: avalugg-hisui
:Basculin: basculin
:Eelektross: eelektross
:Lurantis: lurantis
:gurdurr: gurdurr
:Magmortar: magmortar
:Magneton: magneton
:Morpeko: morpeko
:Oricorio-Pau: oricorio-Pa'u
:Orthworm: orthworm
:Piloswine: piloswine
:Poliwrath: poliwrath
:Pyroar: pyroar
:primeape: primeape
:Raichu-Alola: raichu-alola
:rotom: rotom
:Rhydon: rhydon
:Shaymin: shaymin
:Sneasel: sneasel
:Sneasel-Hisui: sneasel-hisui
:Spiritomb: spiritomb
:swanna: swanna
:Tauros-paldea-combat: pauros
:Toedscruel: toedscruel
:Toxicroak: toxicroak
:Veluza: veluza
:Whiscash: Whiscash

mid
:appletun: appletun
:beartic: beartic
:bellossom: bellossom
:cacturne: cacturne
:camerupt: camerupt
:combusken: combusken
:crabominable: crabominable
:cryogonal: cryogonal
:electivire: electivire
:exeggutor: exeggutor
:glaceon: glaceon
:golem: golem
:honchkrow: honchkrow
:houndoom: houndoom
:indeedee-f: indeedee-f
:lycanroc-midnight: lycanroc-midnight
:mabosstiff: mabosstiff
:naclstack: naclstack
:perrserker: perrserker
:persian-alola: persian-alola
:raichu: raichu
:rotom-fan: rotom-fan
:sableye: sableye
:samurott: samurott
:tauros: tauros
:trevenant: trevenant

the rest are either low or ur and idc to distinguish atp truly!
 
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Figured I'd join in at some point regarding my thoughts on the new (and still developing) metagame. All tiers in alphabetical order and I'd be willing to argue one tier up/down for any mon. Brief workup of each tier included.

S Rank:
Not sure anything has really seperated itself from the rest of the pack enough to warrant an S right now...

A+ Rank:
:charizard: :mesprit: :passimian: :porygon2: :regirock:

Charizard is still a threat, though I don't think it is the clear top dog in the meta like some. Mesprit is sneaky broken, capable of being a top-notch support mon or setup sweeper. Passimian is probably the best Choice Scarfer, until Floatzel gets a bit more love from people at least... P2 is unkillable and can do so much in a game. Regirock similarly unkillable, similarly great utility.

A Rank:
:decidueye-hisui: :dudunsparce: :glastrier: :oricorio-sensu: :qwilfish: :sneasel: :sneasel-hisui: :snorlax: :typhlosion:

Decidueye-Hisui is still an elite mon, but not quite top-5 certified to me anymore. Dudunsparce still has great value overall, any set you want to use can work. Glastrier is sneaky broken and benefits from the general tone of the metagame giving it great matchups. Ori-Sensu is broken when given one turn to set up. Qwilfish loves seeing Helectrode leave and not much come down to challenge it. The Sneasels are still great, maybe worth an A- but both work really well. Snorlax loves to run full 252+ Adamant and still absorb hits. Typhlosion is worse than zard.

A- Rank:
:articuno: :braviary: :cramorant: :dipplin: :farigiraf: :floatzel: :jolteon: :lycanroc: :magneton: :mismagius: :oricorio: :qwilfish-hisui: :whimsicott:

A handful of pretty good mons that all can put in overtime on the right structure, my favorites in this list are definitely Floatzel and Magneton.

B+ Rank:
:brute bonnet: :clawitzer: :froslass: :frosmoth: :grafaiai: :hitmonlee: :honchkrow: :indeedee-f: :lanturn: :lurantis: :mabosstiff: :orthworm: :rhydon: :rotom: :rotom-fan: :sandslash: :scovillain: :shaymin: :tauros: :tauros-paldea-combat: :thwackey: :toedscruel: :venomoth: :vikavolt: :virizion:

Bonnet has been pretty solid, maybe moves up to A- at some point soon. Otherwise, a handful of mons that fill roles well but aren't super splashable or great. Respect Clawitzer and Honchkrow, and Shaymin looks sneaky good.

B Rank:
:abomasnow: :arboliva: :avalugg-hisui: :crabominable: :ditto: :dodrio: :eelektross: :electivire: :exeggutor-alola: :hitmonchan: :houndoom: :leafeon: :lilligant: :magmortar: :malamar: :masquerain: :morpeko: :muk: :oricorio-pa'u: :palossand: :perrserker: :primeape: :probopass: :rabsca: :sableye: :sandaconda: :sceptile: :shiftry: :spiritomb: :veluza: :weezing: :whiscash: :zangoose:

A handful of okay mons, mostly interesting to see that sun mons are all in this range outside of Scovillain - could maybe be a good structure. I think a few mons here are really underutilized, mainly Muk and Spiritomb.

B- Rank:
:arbok: :basculin: :cacturne: :camerupt: :falinks: :naclstack: :ninetales: :persian-alola: :poliwrath:

Meh, okay mons.
 
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S
none!

A+
:charizard: charizard
:dudunsparce: dudunsparce
:mesprit: mesprit
:regirock: regirock

A
:decidueye-hisui: decidueye-hisui
:dipplin: dipplin
:glastrier: glastrier
:grafaiai: grafaiai
:magneton: magneton
:orthworm: orthworm
:passimian: passimian
:sneasel-hisui: sneasel-hisui
:qwilfish: qwilfish

A-
:articuno: articuno
:brute-bonnet: brute bonnet
:cramorant: cramorant
:floatzel: floatzel
:jolteon: jolteon
:palossand: palossand
:qwilfish-hisui: qwilfish-hisui
:sneasel: sneasel
:snorlax: snorlax
:typhlosion: typhlosion
:vikavolt: vikavolt
:whimsicott: whimsicott

if i feel so inclined i will include more but i think this is a good snapshot of the top-tier mons imo!
 
wanna give my own two cents here, ranked in tiers
S
Nothing lol

A+
:Mesprit: The Lando-T of the tier (ignore qwil), Mesp is just super versatile and splashable, the sheer unpredictability makes it hard to check mesp untill it reveals its set. PhysDef or SpDef rocks is such good role compression on offense teams, NP is super dangerous to deal with, scarf is a good revenge killer that can Hwish teammates, whatever you can think of, mesp can probs run it.
:Charizard: Zards blend of offensive firepower and defensive utility is super useful, it denies stuff like typh, hecid, whimsy, and a bunch more just by itself, not to mention it hits like a truck. Wisp ruins like 90% of its checks, and if your team doesnt have a bulky water, then zard can be a nightmare to switch into (hi BaitWiz hows ur floatzel)

A
:Regirock: Regirock is super hard to kill and can be quite threatening with IDBP, plus rocks never hurt. Its super vulnurable to hazards tho, and its matchup into mesp is pretty bad lol. Its a good zard check till it gets wisped but hey better than nothing.
:passimian: splashable scarfer that dunks on qwil, knock and uturn make it great at forcing progress, really doesnt have a safe switchin besides weezing.
:glastrier: these stats will never be bad, glast is stupid hard to deal with defensively and can be hard to take down without supereffective attacks, but guess what, it teras and youve lost a mon. low speed hurts but everything else about it is elite.
:qwilfish: defensive sets are pretty overrated imo, considering a lot of top physical attackers dont care about intimidate and the lack of recovery being a pain. SD however is incredibly hard to wall, and +2 tera aqua jet picks off like everything that doesnt resist it. Scarf is pretty good too, surprise factor is a lot and bluffing defensive is quite useful. also spikes is broken with so little removal.
:dudunsparce: again, super hard to kill mon that has a ton of good sets. CM is very dangerous, Coil flips the matchup against physical attackers that usually beat it, defensive is super annoying with all the moves it gets, plus the yellow magic can turn games around.
:sneasel: near uncontested speed tier, stab knock, hits deceptively hard esp if it gets an SD. Taxels shitty accuracy holds it back however, as well as it dying to a light breeze.
:lanturn: bulky water? zard check? two super good abilities? pivoting? lanturn only really suffers from being passive af, everything else about it is super good. Water absorb is not a meme with floatzel running around.
:decidueye-hisui: still a great mon, doesnt love zard everywhere tho. Triple arrows is broken af, and defog sets are quite nice for more defensive teams. synergy with regi is a nice perk aswell.

A-
:floatzel: super underrated at the moment, banded hits like a truck, scarf is the fastest scarfer around, hell specs is potentially good to lure qwil. qwil spits on physical sets tho, but flip turn lets it just go to smth that deals with qwil. strong priority never hurts either.
:jolteon: floatzels partner in crime. being the fastest mon in the tier (shut up electrode), strong pivoting. CM and specs are equally scary threats.
:articuno: :dipplin: lumping these two together bc theyre both fat fucks that eat attacks all day. Dipp is quite passive even with growth tho, and cuno is quite exploitable with its typing. offensive cuno is genuinely pretty decent, and both can completely stuff attackers on either side.
:sneasel-hisui: sneasel again, this time with ooga booga stab CC. not having to run boots gives it a lot more options, eviolite makes it hard to take out, band hits super hard, and scarf ties with float for the fastest scarfer.
:whimsicott: whimsy conveniently is 1 speed faster than abuncha mons, like the sneasels and floatzel. Plus, its typing lets it check hecid, bonnet and viriz nicely. HDB encore is best set IMO bc of the sheer utiliity of encore, but specs is still solid. bad zard matchup hurts but uturn is there so..
:lycanroc: doggo. offensive sets are hurt by 4MSS, you want SD, acelerock, stone edge, CC, psyfangs, play rough, crunch, and prob some other moves. it is scary in the right matchup tho. band hits hard and fast, esp with accel, and suicide lead sets are good aswell.
:oricorio-sensu: should this borb get a free turn, you better hope your special wall is healthy, because otherwise you will get swept. QD is a broken ass move even on ori and on HO teams this is a fantastic breaker and cleaner.
:cramorant: defog goes brrr. good matchup into the fires and usable bulk score cram a good niche i think. gulp missile can be incredibly irritating to deal with, and somewhat alleviates crams passivity.
:orthworm: zard rising up make orth a lot less good, but its still solid in its own right. spikes and two boosting options make it useful in most matchups, and its 10000 resists are very helpful in detering certain clicks.
:typhlosion: typh feels super awkward, on one hand its super scary in certain matchups, but in some others it feels useless. the fact it cant switch into stuff makes it so much less use. the support it needs to enable it is quite a pain too. definitely not a bad mon, but it certainly isnt top tier anymore.
:brute bonnet: BBs big ass stats save it here. sure, it has a bunch of solid checks like whimsy and hecid (unless ur zenbutt) but its great bulk, hardhitting attacks esp with booster and priority in sucker punch makes it worth the support needed to make it work. u-turn weakness is a pain but tera exists to help with that.

too lazy to go lower than this lol
 
VR feels like it needs an update so the idea of doing this popped into my head but instead of posting it right after I made it, I waited until it wasn't dark outside. Anyways this is my experience so Piloswine makes the list. I would have done a tiermaker but im lazy. Mons are ordered within tiers using the patent-pending method of 'absolutely no rhyme or reason.'

S :Floatzel: :rotom-mow:
S- :mesprit:
A+ :regirock: :Virizion:
A :Vikavolt: :Magneton: :Lanturn: :Charizard: :mismagius: :sandslash: :Sneasel-hisui:
A- :Glastrier: :Qwilfish-hisui: :Passimian: :oricorio: :Sneasel: :Snorlax: :minior: :lycanroc: :Farigiraf: :spiritomb: :clawitzer:
B+ :Brute Bonnet: :Jolteon: :Shaymin: :orthworm: :dipplin: :Poliwrath: :typhlosion: :Cryogonal: :weezing:
B :Hattrem: :grafaiai: :abomasnow: :Beartic: :whimsicott: :arboliva: :braviary: :froslass: :Lurantis: :hitmontop: :malamar: :primeape: :scovillain:
B- :articuno: :Indeedee-f: :persian-alola: :sableye: :sandaconda: :thwackey: :raichu-alola: :exeggutor-alola: :Muk: :naclstack: :piloswine:
C+: :ditto: :Volbeat: :victreebel: :hippopotas: :probopass: :oricorio-pau: :shiftry:
S :honchkrow: :houndoom: :magmortar: :Drifblim: :eelektross: :Crabominable:
A+ :Sceptile: :medicham: :dugtrio-alola: :mabosstiff: :komala: :pyroar: :dodrio: :perrserker:
A :cacturne: :hitmonchan: :morpeko: :tauros: :lapras: :gurdurr: :toedscruel: :rotom:
--- line between 'redeeming traits' and 'you better know what you're doing' ---
A- :Bellossom: :leafeon: :lilligant: :veluza: :swalot: :haunter: :appletun:
B+ :crocalor: :tinkatuff: :trevenant: :quaxwell: :carbink: :zangoose:
B :flapple: :whiscash: :dachsbun: :ampharos: :granbull: :rotom-frost: :sudowoodo: :duosion: :basculin:
--- line between 'ok...?' and 'what are you thinking' ---
B- :camerupt: :pincurchin: :combusken: :smeargle: :lycanroc-midnight: :raichu: :rabsca:
C+ :klawf: :ludicolo: :golduck: :samurott: :meowstic: :ninetales: :hakamo-o: :fraxure:
--- fe/nfe line ---
C: :carkol: :dunsparce: :dusclops: :clefairy: :sliggoo: :sliggoo-hisui: :ursaring: :Drizzile: :frogadier: :raboot:
no: :fletchinder: :charjabug: :Dartrix: :drakloak: :gabite: :ivysaur: :electabuzz: :magmar: :metang: :seadra: :wartortle: :quilladin: :porygon: :mareanie:

Thoughts as they arrive:
:Sandslash: I would put this into A+ since it's our only option as a spinner, but imo that doesn't automatically make it good. Meta feels kinder to it than it was pre-shifts (and I learned how to use it) but i'm still a hater.
:Mismagius: I'm super high on scarf sets rn I'm so glad we didn't lose this to shifts
:minior: :lycanroc: I somehow don't have a real opinion on these two. I stuck them into A- because I think they're legit and worth running over all of B+, but not mons i can call higher (as much as I want to put cb lycan higher but nobody uses it)
:Farigiraf: :spiritomb: These 2 are popping off rn imo OTR is one of the best ways to fight S-tier scarfers
B+: Tier for things that are definitely good and worth considering, but are by no means common or meta.
:Cryogonal: this is cope in B+
:Shaymin: I think this mon needs to prove itself a bit more before it goes higher. In theory its good because it switches into the S-tiers 75% of the time but in practice I use Virizion.
:Hattrem: I'm a hater idk how this ever got to A- on the vr but i think im too much of a hater to have a logical objection more than this
:articuno: So hard to justify this because our special attackers are Electric and Fire.
:Raichu-alola: :indeedee-f: VERY good on terrain and maybe worth trying out off designated terrain teams, but needs more than just me pushing them
:piloswine: my baby. tera and resist fwge + not ice weak + bulky still
:honchkrow: :quaxwell: :seadra: I went crazy with the unmon list. I think the VR doesn't need all of them (obviously). If I were actually making the VR, I would keep most of everything until about A-, and absolutely nothing lower than B.
:gurdurr: :quaxwell: :komala: our removal sucks these should be viable on paper

I'm gonna explain some more things in a vr thread post (pilo & jolt come to mind), but feel free to roast me (lightly plz) for any of these takes.
 
S
:mesprit: Mesprit

A+
:basculin-blue-striped: Basculin
:jolteon: Jolteon
:snorlax: Snorlax
:sandslash:Sandslash
:spiritomb: Spiritomb
:venusaur:Venusaur

A
:charizard:Charizard
:hitmontop: Hitmontop
:lanturn:Lanturn
:oricorio:Oricorio
:regirock:Regirock
:rotom-mow: Rotom-Mow
:sneasel-hisui: Sneasel-Hisui

A-
:abomasnow: Abomasnow
:beartic: Beartic
:braviary:Braviary
:Grafaiai:Grafaiai
:glastrier:Glastrier
:passimian: Passimian
:sneasel: Sneasel
:weezing:Weezing
:whimsicott: Whimsicott

B+
:arboliva:Arboliva
:clawitzer: Clawitzer
:dipplin: Dipplin
:farigiraf: Farigiraf
:magneton: Magneton
:oricorio-pa'u: Oricorio Pa'u
:sableye: Sableye
:shaymin: Shaymin
:vikavolt: Vikavolt
:whiscash:Whiscash

B
:cryogonal: Cryogonal
:exeggutor-alola:Exeggutor-Alola
:mabosstiff:Mabosstiff
:magmortar: Magmortar
:malamar: Malamar
:naclstack: Naclstack
:orthworm: Orthworm
:perrserker: Perrserker
:trevenant: Trevenant
:thwackey: Thwackey

B-
:articuno:Articuno
:froslass: Froslass
:houndoom: Houndoom
:indeedee-f: Indeedee-F
:lilligant: Lilligant
:Minior: Minior
:muk:Muk
:persian-alola: Persian-Alola
:primeape: Primeape
:typhlosion: Typhlosion
:virizion: Virizion

C+
:crocalor: Crocalor
:dodrio:Dodrio
:ditto: Ditto
:drifblim: Drifblim
:hattrem: Hattrem
:lurantis: Lurantis
:Lycanroc: Lycanroc
:medicham: Medicham
:rotom-frost: Rotom-frost
:zangoose: Zangoose

C
:camerupt: Camerupt
:cacturne: Cacturne
:eelektross: Eelektross
:morpeko: Morpeko
:raichu-alola: Raichu-Alola
:rotom: Rotom
:toedscruel: Toedscruel
:veluza: Veluza

C-
:carbink: Carbink
:crabominable: Crabominable
:dachsbun: Dachsbun
:hippopotas: Hippopotas
:komala: Komala
:lapras: Lapras
:probopass: Probopass
:sandaconda: Sandaconda
:shiftry: Shiftry
:smeargle: Smeargle
:tauros: Tauros
 
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it is currently 4am as i begin to write this post, i gotta wake up in less than 5h and i haven't been this insomniac in a while. anyway, here's my personal vr, with a bit of a different approach from the usual one: instead of ranking mons based on how overall viable i think they are, i'm going to rank them based on how much they fit my playstyle and building style and how much value i personally think they can overall provide. this approach is similar to what abr did in his infamous adv ou vr. unordered within tiers cause i cba rn, might update that tomorrow

S TIER:
:mesprit: :glastrier:

A+ TIER:
:braviary: :jolteon: :whiscash: :passimian: :charizard: :ditto:

A TIER:
:venusaur: :spiritomb: :rotom-mow: :sableye: :orthworm: :pyroar: :sneasel-hisui:

A- TIER:
:snorlax: :hitmontop: :toxicroak: :grafaiai: :naclstack: :muk: :sneasel: :vikavolt: :camerupt:

B+ TIER:
:basculin: :lanturn: :regirock: :magneton: :arboliva: :oricorio: :shaymin: :malamar: :oricorio-pau: :articuno: :drifblim:

B TIER:
:sandslash: :weezing: :abomasnow: :beartic: :froslass: :dipplin: :trevenant: :cryogonal: :magmortar: :hitmonchan: :cacturne: :medicham: :clefairy:

B- TIER:
:clawitzer: :whimsicott: :minior: :houndoom: :perrserker: :lycanroc: :typhlosion: :indeedee-f: :hippopotas: :probopass: :eelektross: :zangoose: :victreebel:

C+ TIER:
:farigiraf: :thwackey: :primeape: :lilligant: :virizion: :dodrio: :mabosstiff: :rotom: :sandaconda: :toedscruel: :crabominable: :morpeko: :veluza:

C TIER:
:persian-alola: :exeggutor-alola: :lurantis: :hattrem: :poliwrath: :scovillain: :shiftry: :carbink: :crocalor: :dachsbun: :piloswine: :tauros: :samurott: :rotom-frost:

D TIER aka shitmons with a niche:
:pincurchin: :haunter: :misdreavus: :banette: :glaceon: :glimmet: :sawsbuck: :swalot: :quaxwell: :ludicolo: :sudowoodo: :glalie: :vespiquen: :quilladin: :greavard: :pawniard:

UNRANK:
:combusken: :dugtrio-alola: :komala: :lapras: :raichu-alola: :sceptile: :smeargle:

i won't be providing explanations in this post. if you have any questions, feel free to tag me in zu discord
 
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Diego has the craziest but most honest personal vr of all time. Lemme cook too

S
:spiritomb: :clawitzer:

A+
:mesprit: :toxicroak: :venusaur: :hitmontop: :braviary:

A
:sableye: :Grafaiai: :jolteon: :Charizard: :ditto: :whiscash: :passimian:

A-
:snorlax: :Sneasel-Hisui: :sneasel: :shaymin: :naclstack: :basculin: :weezing: :magneton: :orthworm: :glastrier:

B+
:Whimsicott: :lanturn: :drifblim: :arboliva: :oricorio-pau: :oricorio: :pyroar: :vikavolt: :exeggutor-alola: :honchkrow: :rotom-mow: :zangoose:

B
:froslass: :abomasnow: :beartic: :sandslash: :toedscruel: :cryogonal: :camerupt: :ursaring: :magmortar: :hitmonchan: :medicham: :Malamar: :muk: :perrserker: :minior:

B-
:houndoom: :Mabosstiff: :eelektross: :lycanroc: :dipplin: :klawf: :trevenant: :veluza: :crabominable: :dodrio: :dachsbun: :indeedee-f: :sandaconda: :Samurott: :swanna:

C+
:rotom: :rotom-frost: :morpeko: :komala: :raichu-alola: :farigiraf: :poliwrath: :Piloswine: :glaceon: :primeape: :lilligant: :bastiodon: :crocalor: :duosion: :Victreebel: :probopass: :haunter: :articuno: :hakamo-o: :noctowl: :appletun:

C
:persian-alola: :carbink: :lurantis: :sawsbuck: :tauros: :sceptile: :cacturne: :misdreavus: :virizion: :vivillon: :Gogoat: :gabite: :dusknoir: :luxray: :flapple: :lycanroc-midnight:

Choo choo
:swalot:

C-
:Gothitelle: :smeargle: :Ludicolo: :Glalie: :dugtrio-alola: :wugtrio: :lapras: :glimmet: :croconaw: :hattrem: :typhlosion: :hippopotas: :quaxwell:


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Do also let me know if u think I missed a mon and would like me to add it on here somewhere.
 
I plan to complete this later but here's my S and A ranks for now

S: :venusaur: :spiritomb::snorlax:
S-: :mesprit:
A+: :toxicroak: :braviary:
A: :glastrier: :hitmontop: :sandslash: :jolteon: :passimian: :charizard: :hitmontop:
A-: :regirock: :magneton: :whimsicott: :weezing: :sneasel: :basculin: :shaymin: :lanturn: :vikavolt:
B+: :sableye: :sneasel-hisui: :virizion:

Venusaur - LO Sunny Day sets are disgusting and I would love to see this thing suspect tested. Solar Beam is a nice tech that obliterates offense teams with Weather Ball. Even outside of Sunny Day, it's a great support mon that lasts thanks to Giga Drain passive recovery and Synthesis.

Spiritomb - I still rate this mon highly, despite many meta shifts. TR+Nasty Plot remains as threatening as ever with the opponent being forced to guess which one could be its coverage move. Will-o-Wisp sets are also getting more popular.

Both Venu and Spiritomb have a lot of room for exploration, with Venusaur being able to leverage sets like Swords Dance or teching Growth on its sun set, and Spiritomb having a decent base attack stat and STAB Poltergeist+Sucker Punch.

Snorlax - itself has good room for more offensive sets, but right now it's busy holding the metagame together. If it goes to PU in a future shift I predict at least 2-3 bans and I'm generally a player that mostly votes DNB on offensive mons.
 
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I was lowkey upset seeing slash in same league as top but then I saw u liked top enough to put it up there twice so all good :P
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A rank is still very good, but I'm more of an offensive player myself. I think Sandslash could be a top tier mon with several tier shifts.
On a side note Sunny Day Venusaur is an abomination in this tier and for me it's S rank. Snorlax and AV Muk stop it pretty handily, but holy shit you can't let this thing have a SINGLE free turn otherwise
 
DIEGO'S SCHIZO VR
i had another post in the making but i wasn't liking it, so y'all will get this instead. vaguely ordered inside tiers up to like b+.

S TIER:
:charizard:

A+ TIER:
:skuntank: :jolteon: :venusaur: :toxicroak: :mesprit: :pyroar: :whiscash:

A TIER:
:whimsicott: :froslass: :naclstack: :camerupt: :eelektross: :ditto: :tinkatuff: :vikavolt:

A- TIER:
:cryogonal: :typhlosion: :clawitzer: :orthworm: :abomasnow: :beartic: :lycanroc: :clefairy:

B+ TIER:
:hitmontop: :sandslash: :brute_bonnet: :sneasel-hisui: :weezing: :spiritomb: :basculin-blue-striped: :magmortar: :rotom:

B TIER:
:magneton: :regirock: :sableye: :houndoom: :mabosstiff: :sneasel: :articuno: :hippopotas: :probopass: :crocalor:

B- TIER:
:minior: :muk: :sandaconda: :primeape: :samurott: :zangoose: :veluza: :hitmonchan: :lilligant: :swanna:

C+ TIER:
:drifblim: :dipplin: :malamar: :swalot: :farigiraf: :virizion: :indeedee-f: :dodrio: :dusknoir: :gurdurr: :tauros-paldea-combat: :flareon:

C TIER:
:raichu-alola: :pincurchin: :exeggutor-alola: :medicham: :toedscruel: :hattrem: :persian-alola: :sceptile: :dugtrio-alola: :honchkrow: :morpeko: :carbink: :cacturne:

THIS IS A POKEMON THAT EXISTS TIER:
:trevenant: :perrserker: :crabominable: :lapras: :lurantis: :piloswine: :rotom-frost: :tauros: :ursaring: :victreebel: :exeggutor: :golem: :poliwrath: :sliggoo-hisui: :klawf: :haunter: :scovillain:

also a few things i wanna throw out there
- :charizard: :pyroar: i think nowadays 90% of my teams have either a charizard, or a pyroar if i wanna be better into opposing zard. very little opportunity cost to the mon
- :clefairy: clef is that high because despite its many shortcomings (knock weak, low stats, 4mss, etc) it offers insane value if you can offset these shortcomings via teammates. kind of a naclstack-esque mon in this aspect
- :lycanroc: lycan is very good rn. not much to say, i think offense/ho teams can never go wrong with putting a lycan on the squad
- :froslass: froslass is insane at enabling spikestack, no other mon comes close
- :sneasel: sigma sneasel rises like 2-3 tiers if you believe in the move triple axel. i do not, that’s why it’s down in the drain
- :basculin: our best pivoting scarfer being in b+ says a lot
- :gurdurr: ppl should experiment with gurdurr more i think the mon is pretty damn good rn
- :magneton: magnet feels awful to use, i can’t explain why or how but since tera blast ban the mon has felt a trillion times worse, even when its not facing stuff like whiscash
 
Was debating between this and a real VR post. I might do both cuz im insane like that. Also someone need to nom Flareon there eventually and idt OBB is gonna beat me to it.

I don't think anything is S rn, and if something is, it's skunk + venu. I added in a little "|" wherever I thought it was feasible for the mons before it to move up a tier. Everything before the line is definitely ordered and everything after is vaguely ordered.

S:

A+:
:Skuntank: :Venusaur: | :Charizard: :Toxicroak: :Mesprit:
A:
:Sandslash: :weezing: :Clawitzer: :Jolteon: :Sneasel:
A-:
:whiscash: :Froslass: | :Sneasel-Hisui: :cryogonal: :spiritomb: :Regirock: :Brute Bonnet: :Eelektross: :Naclstack:
B+:
:Lycanroc: :Magneton: :Vikavolt: :Hitmontop: | :Whimsicott: :Basculin: :Abomasnow: :Beartic: :Pyroar: :Arboliva: :Muk: :Primeape: :Sableye: :Camerupt:
B:
:Flareon: :Clefairy: :Typhlosion: :Orthworm: | :Ditto: :Farigiraf: :Mabosstiff: :Minior: :Tinkatuff:
B-:
:Sandaconda: :houndoom: :Magmortar: :Drifblim: | :Tauros-paldea-combat: :Perrserker: :exeggutor-alola: :Toedscruel: :Virizion: :Malamar: :Poliwrath:
C+:
:Dipplin: :Articuno: :Rotom: | :Raichu-alola: :Zangoose: :Indeedee-f: :Dodrio: :Samurott: :Veluza:
C:
:Hitmonchan: :Sceptile: :Swanna: | :tauros: :Crabominable: :Trevenant: :Lapras: :Honchkrow: :Rotom-frost: :MOrpeko: :Ursaring: :Dusknoir: :Crocalor: :Lilligant:
Theoretical C-:
:Lurantis: :Piloswine: :Swalot: | :Oinkologne: :Oinkologne-f: :Rampardos: :Victreebel: :Carbink: :electivire: :Smeargle: :torkoal: :Haunter: :Quilladin:

abstain cuz ive never used them:
:Hippopotas: :Probopass: :Dugtrio-alola: :Gurdurr: :Persian-alola:

:Sandslash: :Weezing: I rated these pretty high becasue they're the only designated physdef walls that I would trust with a Skuntank and Toxicroak when building. I think that is invaluable in the current meta, even if a little high.

:Jolteon: In this Whiscash economy? I dont think it can be A+ rn.

:Whiscash: :Camerupt: I put them as far apart as I could while keeping them 1 tier apart lol. I think that 1 tier apart is fair, but that Camerupt is also the epitome of a B+ defensive mon like Sableye – INVALUABLE on the right team, but very flawed (stats for camel, dark types existing for sab). I think that Whiscash is lowkey on fraud watch with Modest Zard existing, so while it probably should be A-tier I felt like I couldn't put it any higher.

:Sneasel: :Sneasel-Hisui: Grouping them because im lazy, they're both not fun to switch into. Sigma Sneasel (the ice one) gives you all the reliability of Triple Axel with none of the walled-by-froslass or the i-guess-your-helmet-means-i-cant-attack-you. If you don't NEED knock/Dry Skin, Sneasel-h can be an upgrade to croak (esp when choiced) and even offers Switcheroo and Pickpocket if you're crazy enough to let this take a knock.

:Lycanroc: diego is cooking with an A- lycan, i didnt have the guts to match it tho

:Whimsicott: :Basculin: I love these 2 and unfairly ranked them as a duo, but its SO EASY to run into a core of poison types that just lets you not make progress. I can't put a mon capable of loading into the worst 5v6 of your life into the A-ranks.

:Magneton: Look at my A-ranks. What's a steel-type helping with here?? It's also a little awkward switching into the Psychic and Poison types, since they either Knock or CC you. I think its great offensively, but look where I ranked Vikavolt.

:Primeape: If you accept that he's a tera hog EdgeQuake scarfer, ape is allowed off Fraud Watch.

:Flareon: :Clefairy: Charizard.

:Sandaconda: :Houndoom: :magmortar: :drifblim: These are the 4 I was harshest on, but in my defense, Houndoom's defensive usefulness is barely any more than Charizard's and it's less reliable, Charizard breaks all the special walls you'd run Magmortar to break, Drifblim isn't Froslass, and I originally had Sandaconda last, but I moved it because I can't tell you why I've only seen it on Blim cores.

:Poliwrath: He finally found use in ZUWC as a physdef mon that can switch into every dark, poison, and fighting. As a PhysDef wall, he's good into EVERYTHING you need to be not weak to.
 
diego said:
DIEGO'S SCHIZO VR
i had another post in the making but i wasn't liking it, so y'all will get this instead. vaguely ordered inside tiers up to like b+.

S TIER:
:charizard:

A+ TIER:
:skuntank: :jolteon: :venusaur: :toxicroak: :mesprit: :pyroar: :whiscash:

A TIER:
:whimsicott: :froslass: :naclstack: :camerupt: :eelektross: :ditto: :tinkatuff: :vikavolt:

A- TIER:
:cryogonal: :typhlosion: :clawitzer: :orthworm: :abomasnow: :beartic: :lycanroc: :clefairy:

B+ TIER:
:hitmontop: :sandslash: :brute_bonnet: :sneasel-hisui: :weezing: :spiritomb: :basculin-blue-striped: :magmortar: :rotom:

B TIER:
:magneton: :regirock: :sableye: :houndoom: :mabosstiff: :sneasel: :articuno: :hippopotas: :probopass: :crocalor:

B- TIER:
:minior: :muk: :sandaconda: :primeape: :samurott: :zangoose: :veluza: :hitmonchan: :lilligant: :swanna:

C+ TIER:
:drifblim: :dipplin: :malamar: :swalot: :farigiraf: :virizion: :indeedee-f: :dodrio: :dusknoir: :gurdurr: :tauros-paldea-combat: :flareon:

C TIER:
:raichu-alola: :pincurchin: :exeggutor-alola: :medicham: :toedscruel: :hattrem: :persian-alola: :sceptile: :dugtrio-alola: :honchkrow: :morpeko: :carbink: :cacturne:

THIS IS A POKEMON THAT EXISTS TIER:
:trevenant: :perrserker: :crabominable: :lapras: :lurantis: :piloswine: :rotom-frost: :tauros: :ursaring: :victreebel: :exeggutor: :golem: :poliwrath: :sliggoo-hisui: :klawf: :haunter: :scovillain:
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the lapras , and sliggo hisui hate ;;
 
well looks like vr posting is a trend now
since laxless meta is likely ending soon heres my vr (you dont get any pretty pictures sorry, i did put explanations for every mon)
this was made at someone elses request and that person also asked me to post it here so thats why im doing it tbh

s
glast
this mon is so comically bombastically above curve - rip bozo

s-
zard
the perfect offensive pokemon - fast, incredibly strong (3hkos whiscash btw), unwallable, flying is incredibly spammable, it gets several entry opportunities, low hp makes it even stronger
good utility too

a+
skunk
this mon is good shit, consistent reliable hard to switch in, blanks mesprit, aftermath blocks cheese, no notes

croak
probably best scarfer, moves are strong, coverage is good too, easily blanks basc

cash
best special wall currently, one of very few that can take multiple hits from zard, easy joltblock, good rocker, (barely) decent ish into blim - i guess you can have spikes on it too

a
jolt
sigh i guess this mon is still good. idk you know what jolt does, i think tera ghost sball might be better than the other one though

lass
yeah this is a good spiker + spin block spikes stack has issues with compression, also blanking htop is nice for the most part ish

venu
pretty good defensively and makes good progress, zard is so annoying though - sunny day is good too

a-
mesprit
ok i guess i gotta address the elephant in the room - this mon feels so much harder to justify with skunk bullying it, and i have other rockers i like better on comps (mostly cash)
it also just dies annoyingly fast to like, everything and doesnt have resists
np is also dead in a ditch - its still a rocker that halfchecks top and slow pivots ig but i dont really like using it

clawitzer
you know what clawitzer does - its hurt a lot by how much more offensive zu is now i think though

whimsicott
still murders stuff well with tera fairy moonblast - zard zard zard is so fucking bad to give entry to though and it sweeps less teams now

camerupt
waluigi version of whiscash - protect seems promising, you dont really want to run rocks on this because it has better attacks to click with its time a decent amount
jesus christ why does it get 2hkoed by zard i havent worked that one out yet.

ditto
honestly, this might just be the second best scarfer now - cheeseproof is good

naclstack
regirock plus - salt cure is incredibly annoying, it rocks kinda well, it also sorta zard checks against people who dont know secret technique - idef can probably sweep some games too

vika
ban webs webs sucks balls i think agility is probably still goated i need to update some of my teams with it though

tinkatuff
this mon actually takes hits from zard surprisingly well, it sets rocks well although can get them spun, it has decent utiltiy moves and covers some annoying stuff ig, switches into skun

weezing
i like the more fun sets like 2atks taunt pain split fast -> it kinda half checks stuff and does kinda pretty well at half checking stuff and making progress

sableye
this mon is actually really annoying it hardwalls a ton of stuff encore is good for pissing people off, i think spdef can spinblock cryo too - actually i need to make an updated team with it

spiritomb
kinda similar to sableye, i think nptr is probably dead? maybe? (burning jealousy) but i feel like the phys atk set can still cook with polter wisp sucker ig - dont fight nacl though

cryo
spinner that doesnt get cucked by lass or sab (i guess its a little annoyed by sab) ice stab is decent this will probably get better after glast leaves
no tera blast means you probably just run tera steel flash cannon or smth and pray against zard idk? need to work on this one

b+
htop
man i guess i cant put it any lower
it is a mon that spins and does offensive things half well - lass usage has been kinda ticking up though and this mon has no defenisve utility whatsoever and it takes hazards damage because no boots
dont run it without at minimum a tspikes absorber though

magneton
this thing is kinda fraudulent now, it cant really make progress or pivot effectively and steel is only kinda helpful nowadays

regirock
this would go even further down but it is a skunk switchin now i suppose - will keep on hating it forever ish though it kinda does live stuff but it gets chipped down really easily

sandslash
fraud, no other words

mabo
third best scarfer? its pretty decent at revenge killing because if they switch out they lose a mon anyway - too bad funny tera blast poison is gone but that doesnt matter too much

blim
defog is good probably, this mon is kinda annoying to handle too without certain mons like jolt - need to find a good team with it though - also someone needs to try the spinblock hazard stack set

sneasel j
i hate taxel i hate taxel i hate taxel i hate taxel i hate taxel this thing also kinda kills itself on skuntank and does about 20% to its checks
twentytwans sneasel might be cool though further development is needed

arbo
jesus christ this mon hits hard
av is also pretty cool and - hard to fit on teams though it definitely has potential though

eel
credit due for actually being a sturdy zard answer
this mon is weird though and confusing and weird looking did i mention it looks ugly - someone needs to work on coil zap cannon btw

sandaconda
this mon cant be THAT bad right? idk i kinda resent shed skin and i dont wanna have to choose from the 5 moves it can run

pyroar
good zard mu but id rather have a zard - throat spray could be cool though

b
basculin
FRAUD NO SWITCHINS RECOILS ITSELF TO DEATH BLOCKED BY CROAK AND ITS PARENTS ARE DEAD

bonnet
offensive booster bonnet has been picking up a bit ig? it does kinda hurt stuff a little but it has been on serious fraud watch and gets battered around by defensive venu kinda and skunk
tera poison helps a bit?

sneasel h
probably usable over croak but i dont wanna

aboma + beartic
hail like, exists, i dont think its been doing super well at top level, aboma can work by itself a bit though asw

orthworm
this thing is GONE gone apparently every single person in zu decided it was ass at the same time

cuno
this mon cant be thaaat bad but i can see why its pretty bad

primeape
passimian is dead get over it stop using the cheap substitutes

swanna
defog is still good brave bird and flip turn are good moves to click recovery is dece this thing is still too frail though

perrserker
av can trade kinda well and make progress
too bad i never got to show off gyroball ironball zerker

minior
lemme see if i can go steal twentytwans scarf memento skunk minior team

dodrio
its a kinda decent scarfer - shores up sunvenu mu by being faster, helps with basc too, flying is spammable, rocks and helmets are rough as fuck though

magmortar
interesting progress maker - another mon id have to justify over having a zard though

rotom
this is a kinda decent scuffy spinblocker if lass doesnt work for whatever reason ig

veluza
fillet away is annoying to deal with + bulky recover the scarfers annoy this though among other stuff
idk

lycanroc
obb likes it it seems like it could cook anyway - also has weridly high usage during zuwc? i hate stone edge though

carbink
surely this is at least decent
its a zard switchin and it rocks and blim cant really defog it

dipplin
fatass
tera hog and youd have to deal with spikes - stall is still underexplored btw

b-
volbeat
i will find the secret sauce one day and it will cook i promise
that day is not today though

muk
weird, gets chipped down easily, gives tank free entries, barely checks zard, its only real winning trait is an insane whims mu

typhlosion
still on fraud watch

hattrem
typhlosions romatic partner, equally on fraud watch, removal is bad but its not THIS bad

farigiraf
tera blast gone seems tragic
hard to fit on teams too
seems potentially interesting but idk???

exeggutor-a
incredibly tempting
havent found any convincing results of the mon popping off though.

trevenant
pretty cool ngl it can eq skunk and thats a thing

dusknoir
this is basically a trevenant if you dont think too hard

toedscruel
offensive sets could cook lowkey this is a cool spinner i dont have enough faith to put it higher though

zangoose
this looks like could cook someone
havent found footage of said cooking yet

samu
sd looks cool if opponent has low croak usage but its still scuff, special sets are also cool looking too av is probably still not bad? again just make sure craok usage is low

virizion
it would break the guys heart if i put it any lower

malamar
like i guess, it can be annoying with superpower and it can click knock and it can sorta defog block blim? idk

doomer
scarf could cook idk. this mon is annoyingly slow and stupid and weak and not bulky it doesnt even fish crashlax anymore

hippo and probo
sand exists. its not substantially worse than hail

hchan
sd is cool and it isnt as annoying as htop but its probably not like, better

clef
its one of the rockers of all time and has an htop matchup that exists

medicham
like i would get why you were using it but i dont really want to use it

indeedee
psy terrain exists... this thing is like if mesprit didnt have a fighting resistance

liligant
WHERE IS TERA BLAST WHERE DID I PUT MY TERA BLAST maybe it can quiver dance past stuff idk though

ok thats all the mons above c+ rank on the real vr, the rest of the mons listed will be mons i think have potential but cant really nom higher due to having never seen them used seriously, no explanation will be given except brief set notes

dugtrio alola (scarf)
gurdurr
honchcrow (scarf)
lapras
piloswine
rotomfrost
sceptile
swalot
tauros
ursaring
sliggoo h
klawf
golduck
zwillious (spdef resttalk)
flareon
exeggutor
rampardos
hakammo o
lampent
haunter
chimecho
ludicolo
sawsbuck
smeargle
vivillion
glaceon
 
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S
:skuntank: Skuntank
:toxicroak: Toxicroak

A+
:mesprit: Mesprit
:passimian: Passimian
:pyroar: Pyroar
:venusaur: Venusaur
:whiscash: Whiscash

A
:basculin: Basculin
:camerupt: Camerupt
:clawitzer: Clawitzer
:cryogonal: Cryogonal
:eelektross: Eelektross
:houndoom: Houndoom
:sandaconda: Sandaconda
:whimsicott: Whimsicott

A-
:froslass: Froslass
:hitmontop: Hitmontop
:jolteon: Jolteon
:lapras: Lapras
:mismagius: Mismagius
:regirock: Regirock
:sandslash: Sandslash

B+
:abomasnow: Abomasnow
:beartic: Beartic
:lycanroc: Lycanroc
:magmortar: Magmortar
:magneton: Magneton
:malamar: Malamar
:minior: Minior
:orthworm: Orthworm
:persian-alola: Persian-Alola
:sableye: Sableye
:swanna: Swanna
:veluza: Veluza
:vikavolt: Vikavolt

B
:arboliva: Arboliva
:articuno: Articuno
:brute_bonnet: Brute Bonnet
:ditto: Ditto
:dodrio: Dodrio
:drifblim: Drifblim
:dusknoir: Dusknoir
:exeggutor-alola: Exeggutor-Alola
:farigiraf: Farigiraf
:muk: Muk
:rotom: Rotom
:sneasel: Sneasel
:spiritomb: Spiritomb
:typhlosion: Typhlosion

B-
:appletun: Appletun
:bastiodon: Bastiodon
:dugtrio-alola: Dugtrio-Alola
:naclstack: Naclstack
:perrserker: Perrserker
:pincurchin: Pincurchin
:raichu-alola: Raichu-Alola
:samurott: Samurott
:sceptile: Sceptile
:ursaring: Ursaring
:virizion: Virizion
:weezing: Weezing

C
:clefairy: Clefairy
:crocalor: Crocalor
:dipplin: Dipplin
:hattrem: Hattrem
:hitmonchan: Hitmonchan
:honchkrow: Honchkrow
:komala: Komala
:lilligant: Lilligant
:lurantis: Lurantis
:indeedee-f: Indeedee-F
:mabosstiff: Mabosstiff
:morpeko: Morpeko
:swalot: Swalot
:tauros: Tauros
:tinkatuff: Tinkatuff
:toedscruel: Toedscruel
:trevenant: Trevenant

UR
:crabominable: Crabominable
:exeggutor: Exeggutor
:flareon: Flareon
:greedent: Greedent
:gurdurr: Gurdurr
:hippopotas: Hippopotas
:medicham: Medicham
:piloswine: Piloswine
:poliwrath: Poliwrath
:probopass: Probopass
:primeape: Primeape
:rotom-frost: Rotom-Frost
:victreebel: Victreebel
:vileplume: Vileplume
:zangoose: Zangoose
 
S
:skuntank: :Charizard:

S-
:floatzel: :toxicroak:

A+
:ninetales-alola: :galvantula: :snorlax: :amoonguss: :Passimian: :porygon2:

A
:sandaconda: :venusaur: :camerupt: :lanturn: :magneton: :eelektross: :clawitzer: :hitmonlee:

A-
:regirock: :sandslash: :qwilfish: :whimsicott: :whiscash: :cryogonal: :lycanroc:

B+
:tinkatuff: :Sneasel-hisui: :brute bonnet: :magmortar: :mismagius: :beartic::drifblim:

B
:scovillain: :arboliva: :jolteon: :hitmontop: :dugtrio-alola: :pincurchin::Sceptile: :Raichu-alola::froslass: :houndoom:

B-
:typhlosion: :ursaring: :sableye: :spiritomb: :swanna: :dodrio:

C+


C
:magcargo:

C-
:coalossal:



I will fill the blanks at a later time before the week ends but that was all the time i had so far. Feel free to ping me on zu cord to tell me how disastrous some of these rankings are
 
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s
:skuntank::toxicroak:

a+
:amoonguss::charizard::mesprit::passimian::porygon2::snorlax::venusaur:

a
:clawitzer::eelektross::exeggutor-alola::floatzel::hitmonlee::lanturn::magmortar::ninetales-alola::pyroar::qwilfish::regirock::whimsicott:

a-
:articuno::drifblim::galvantula::hitmontop::jolteon::mismagius::sandaconda::sandslash::spiritomb::vikavolt::weezing::whiscash:

b+
:beartic::brute-bonnet::camerupt::coalossal::cryogonal::froslass::magneton::naclstack::orthworm::sneasel::sableye::sceptile:

b
:appletun::basculin::houndoom::indeedee-f::lycanroc::mabosstiff::malamar::minior::muk::perrserker::raichu-alola::toedscruel::typhlosion::veluza::virizion:

b-
:abomasnow::dipplin::ditto::dodrio::dusknoir::farigiraf::lapras::persian-alola::pincurchin::poliwrath::primeape::rotom::sneasel-hisui::swanna::zangoose:
 
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