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Smalltown Hotel Mafia v2 Won by the Town - Postgame Up!

my idea was possibly to lynch pulsar instead and force cels teammate to kill carry(if it is him), but i didnt want to publicize it. the mafia team has not been thinking much about mech and i thought it would be possible to catch the kill
 
bluedoom said:
I don't want to vote realiti or peum; I honestly think realiti has been ok and peum doesn't really make sense as mafia here with his motivator choices and those nks.I don't think realiti's role gives him town cred but judging by reads and votes he's just fine here.

Can't it just be pulsar/celever? I know people don't like voting pulsar because inactivity is her meta but at some point we should be doing this because scum usually don't like posting itt. With celever I don't think I've seen an explanation wrt how he thinks realiti has to be the vote based on mech? Why is everyone else a worse choice based on mech? Feels like he decided to vote realiti and then is rationalising it rather than the other way around. I'm just gonna say that its way long winded to think that mafia! realiti faked a kill on af to get her to change the scum role makeup when its in scum's best interests to shoot power roles, protectives or disruption in general. Af is actually one of the worse roles to shoot. I'm not saying that he's town on role. But this explanation feels like its pulling at straws.
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i came up with the theory on D1 and then vishy flipped mafia which is an extra data point that the theory is correct and said that when i voted him so idk, if you haven't seen the explanation you just haven't checked my posts
 
it's weird that scanning the thread kinda everyone seems scummier than they did before lmao

still think realiti is the mech solve i wanna shoot there first tho
 
i feel like this is a very weirdly low investment game for celever. i don't know that thats inherently scummy but it just feels wrong
#vote celever
 
Uranium233 said:
Virtually conftown:
A FAIRY: self explanatory
GENISU: self explanatory
Townlean
THECHICKENING: good ability use, seems like they have some good contributions, there's a tiny thought in the back of my head that genisu/chickening is a wild scumpair that's been playing us for fools but I think we can't cover for that possibility
REALITI: While they've had some weird posts that I haven't liked in the past, the vishy interactions at the beginning make me really skeptical that they'd be scumpaired, otherwise they risk accidentally starting a bus on their teammate d1
Neutral
KING_: some mid-ish posts that I think chalk up to lack of recent experience. TBH I wish we'd redirected the kill here and not des last night, either breaking the BPV or revealing that it was broken n1 while keeping our vig around.
SIRFISH: looking through iso they haven't been very active today, but good jailkeeps. would like to see more posts SirFish
BLUEDOOM: They've been making decent plays, and at this point our executions should be focused more on alignment than role now that we have a lot more info so it doesn't make sense to execute just based on them being redirector
PEUM: This seems like town Peum from what I've seen of his games, but also some ehhh takes so
Scumlean:
CELEVER: weird takes and low activity since he's been back, just kinda a scummy vibe
PULSAR512B: no activity, just hasn't been doing much, maybe if she's more active I'll change my mind on this
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In all honesty, I know I dont post a lot but I also dont even know what Id say if I did.

Yall are having reads and motivations that change by the minute and post dump st random times of the day, especially in the middle of the night.

I picked a pretty simple role, and my intent with that was to try and use it to help how I could and learn the game more. Honestly, I havent really learned much because of the mix of people who arent really posting a ton and then people who are dominating with post after post saying how they dont trust someone because of whatever reason is decided they are sus today.

Im really just trying to follow along, be helpful, and work with people who I somewhat trust which is why I have been jailing AFA thus far. And mind you this is day 3, and the mafia kill n1 didnt work and a mafia was voted out d2, so theres very little actual action to go off of since so much isnt confirmable at the moment.

Im never going to be the type to make a ton of posts, im running a game on the side and doing my best to follow along here.

In terms of my reads, which no matter what I say is probably going to be called bad or following someone else or whatever. But I feel like reasonably:

TOWN
- Fish (because im me!)
- A Fairy
- Genius

PEOPLE SAY YOU ARE TOWN BUT IM NOT TOTALLY SURE MECHANICALLY WHY
- Chicken
- King

NEUTRAL
- Realti
- Uranium
- Bluedoom

KINDA AFK
- Pulsar

A LITTLE SUS BUT WHAT DO I KNOW
- Celever
- Bluedoom
- Peum

My reason for the bottom three is that I have felt like their tone and stuff they say have just felt a bit inconsistent, but honestly since its my first NOC game this could just be how they are so Im not really sure and just kinda reading what they say and what people say about them and being like "yeah, that does seem weird in retrospect"

Like, its Day 3. One night nobody died. I feel like we are acting like theres some grand conspiracy going on when in reality theres not been that much for me to go off of, especially with what I can hard confirm which is simply 2 jails on AFA.

Like I said before, for multiple reasons, generally being a bit busy, differing timezones, being new and inexperienced, lack of true data, etc, that im not gonna be posting a ton, and when I do its likely going to be to provide info I know for sure or ask for clarification and if thats not enough, sorry!
 
SirFish said:
Like, its Day 3. One night nobody died. I feel like we are acting like theres some grand conspiracy going on when in reality theres not been that much for me to go off of, especially with what I can hard confirm which is simply 2 jails on AFA.
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This is literally my whole argument, the kills have been non optimal so lets go try and consider why were they unoptimal and what schtick we can use to find who is playing generally unoptimal.

Like coming in the day I agreed that Realiti kill delay onto Fairy into mafia target A Fairy seemed like a good strat for mafia but then realized that its a little too overly complex for what we've seen of mafia, so now im pointing fingers at players who I think have been playing unoptimally (Pulsar and King), Celever also enters this category but im a little too personally biased on Celever and I know how good of a player he is when he tries to really believe this comes from M!Celever
 
Peum said:
This is literally my whole argument, the kills have been non optimal so lets go try and consider why were they unoptimal and what schtick we can use to find who is playing generally unoptimal.

Like coming in the day I agreed that Realiti kill delay onto Fairy into mafia target A Fairy seemed like a good strat for mafia but then realized that its a little too overly complex for what we've seen of mafia, so now im pointing fingers at players who I think have been playing unoptimally (Pulsar and King), Celever also enters this category but im a little too personally biased on Celever and I know how good of a player he is when he tries to really believe this comes from M!Celever
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Maybe this is where I am a bit confused, or just disagree I guess?

We have only two nights worth of data on the Mafia actions, and one was seemingly blocked, the other was bussed.

You are talking about like suboptimal plays on two nights worth of data, but both those nights something happened that changed the outcome, which is to be expected when lots of roles and unknowns are at play. I guess my point here is like, you are operating off a lot of assumptions and then pointing fingers at people you are trying to fit into the narrative you are building, which I get is like kind of the game, but it feels like you are treating opinions as facts a bit.
 
SirFish said:
Maybe this is where I am a bit confused, or just disagree I guess?

We have only two nights worth of data on the Mafia actions, and one was seemingly blocked, the other was bussed.

You are talking about like suboptimal plays on two nights worth of data, but both those nights something happened that changed the outcome, which is to be expected when lots of roles and unknowns are at play. I guess my point here is like, you are operating off a lot of assumptions and then pointing fingers at people you are trying to fit into the narrative you are building, which I get is like kind of the game, but it feels like you are treating opinions as facts a bit.
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while this is true peum's kinda right tbh

the nk strategy from mafia hasn't been amazing unless they did my theory which is why it's what im going with

if the strat has just been suboptimal there's realistically no conclusions you can draw from it that could be solid enough to push a vote today. there's a lot of people and players who could have made the bad calls (i wouldn't bc im goated glad peum agrees tho :swole::swole::swole::swole::swole:)
 
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